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alex_001
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 Posted: Tue Jan 06, 2009 5:50 am Post subject: W&B 601XL |
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i have a 601 xl CZAW and would like to compare the weight of the plane with some other ones
my one has with no fuel, radio, gps, transponder, wheelcovers,winglockers,landinglight,strobes, lights, AP Navaid,electrical Horizon, BRS, and Rotox 912s following weight
front 103kg, main wheels 109kg each
thanks
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PatrickW
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| Posted: Tue Jan 06, 2009 8:24 am Post subject: Re: W&B 601XL |
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May also be worthwhile to know where people are mounting heavy items, like BRS & batteries.
- Pat
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alex_001
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| Posted: Tue Jan 06, 2009 10:00 am Post subject: Re: W&B 601XL |
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brs on the front right as per CZAW
battery front right firewall.
I also got this comment
Comment by Mathieu Heintz just now
Good questions. The Zodiac does like big engines (a lot of weight at the front). The AMD BRS system was designed for the Continental 0-200 engine which is about 50 lbs more than your 3300 engine. One simple option you have is to install a heavier battery on the front of the firewall, to counter the weight of the BRS.
Another option is to move the BRS to the front of the instrument panel, just behind the firewall. We have been doing this on the European aircraft with the Rotax for many years.
In regards to the CG location, We recommend what is printed in the drawings. However, the range is very conservative. With a series of simple flight tests, you may be able to move the CG back. This is what the Europeans have done.
Mathieu Heintz
Zenair
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Gig Giacona
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| Posted: Tue Jan 06, 2009 2:53 pm Post subject: Re: W&B 601XL |
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Front fraking right?!?!
I'd hate to be in the right seat if you ever had to deploy the chute.
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Pfluftl
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| Posted: Mon Jan 26, 2009 5:46 am Post subject: Re: W&B 601XL |
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Empty weight of my 601 xl CZAW is 313 kg,
nose wheel 99kg, main wheels right 106kg, left 108
no fuel, including radio, gps, transponder, wheelcovers, winglockers, landinglight, strobe lights, position lights, electrical Horizon, ELT, BRS, and Rotox 912 ULS
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leinad
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| Posted: Mon Jan 26, 2009 5:03 pm Post subject: Re: W&B 601XL |
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I think the idea of this post is really good, and I'd like to see some real world numbers to compare my bird with too, but there is also variation in where the wheels are in relation to the fuselage between different versions of the drawings, and different builders. This was the topic of a thread awhile back. For the information to be useful to me, and not misinformation for others it'd be good to have the wheel locations too. I'm assuming those who are flying have these to do their weight and balance calculation from.
Thanks.
Dan
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alex_001
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| Posted: Wed Jan 28, 2009 2:02 am Post subject: Re: W&B 601XL |
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Gig
have a look here this was with a BRS in the top right front
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Gig Giacona
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| Posted: Wed Jan 28, 2009 6:27 am Post subject: Re: W&B 601XL |
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| alex_001 wrote: | Gig
have a look here this was with a BRS in the top right front |
I've seen that Alex and the only thing I can say is that must have been a smaller BRS than the ones I've seen. When I say smaller I mean smaller than the 1350 which is the one that should be used in a 1320 lbs 601XL.
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PatrickW
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| Posted: Wed Jan 28, 2009 7:21 am Post subject: Re: W&B 601XL |
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| Gig Giacona wrote: | | the 1350 which is the one that should be used in a 1320 lbs 601XL. |
I'm installing a BRS-1350 in my XL, and am thinking that placement between the instrument panel and the firewall is the best location. It is a tight fit, and I think the European XL's do utilize a smaller BRS.
Here are the pictures of what I'm considering at this point: http://picasaweb.google.com/Patrick.Hoyt/BRS#
I am going with the 650 canopy, and a simple "day VFR" panel. Placement of the BRS in the usual position in the baggage area is not an option as this area is covered with the rear canopy bubble in the 650, as opposed to aluminum skin (with frangible cover) in the XL (although I did consider the possibility of an installation that would fire the BRS down through the bottom of the fuselage).
Placement of the BRS further aft, behind the baggage compartment bulkhead would put it 8 feet aft of the firewall, and less than 4 feet ahead of the horizontal stablizer. CG is the concern there, although granted you could probably fill the nose gear strut with lead shot for nose ballast, or build an extended motor mount. My thinking at this point is to keep it as simple as I can and fine-tune my airplane's CG by placement of the battery aft, while still allowing for the usage of the baggage compartment for baggage.
I have not seen a 650 (AMD or Zenith) with a front mounted BRS yet, but would welcome pictures.
- Pat
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