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Afterfxllc(at)aol.com
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 Posted: Tue Jan 06, 2009 10:18 pm Post subject: Internet and flying |
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Ok the cell phone discussion is great but, let me throw this in the mix since the cell phone talk is a little off the mark.
I will have a cell phone with me that will be OFF but I have a Sprint Wi Fi card that is for Internet use only that I will be using.... I understand this is splitting hairs here but someone show me in the regs where it says we can't use the Internet in an aircraft because after all I will be broadcasting over the Internet not a cell phone.
This say's nothing about Internet only cards.
Cellular telephones installed in or carried aboard airplanes,
balloons or any other type of aircraft must not be operated while such
aircraft are airborne (not touching the ground). When any aircraft
leaves the ground, all cellular telephones on board that aircraft must
be turned off. The following notice must be posted on or near each
cellular telephone installed in any aircraft:
``The use of cellular telephones while this aircraft is airborne is
prohibited by FCC rules, and the violation of this rule could result in
suspension of service and/or a fine. The use of cellular telephones
while this aircraft is on the ground is subject to FAA regulations.''
Jeff
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dave(at)algoa.net
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| Posted: Wed Jan 07, 2009 4:40 am Post subject: Internet and flying |
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Jeff, that is a bit like saying that a using a dial-up modem isn't using the phone system. Unless I am completely off my nut, the air card connection and the cell phone connection are the same except that the phone uses a mic for modulation input and the air card uses a stream of data. (assuming we are talking about one of the digital cell technologies not talking about old analog cell) That is, as far as the FCC is concerned, the air card produces the exact same radio emissions as the cell phone. The fact that you are using the cell system makes it a cell call.
You do have a legal point tho... the regs should probably say something more generic, like 'cellular clients' not 'cellular telephones'...
Dave
On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 12:16 AM, <Afterfxllc(at)aol.com (Afterfxllc(at)aol.com)> wrote:
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Ok the cell phone discussion is great but, let me throw this in the mix since the cell phone talk is a little off the mark.
I will have a cell phone with me that will be OFF but I have a Sprint Wi Fi card that is for Internet use only that I will be using.... I understand this is splitting hairs here but someone show me in the regs where it says we can't use the Internet in an aircraft because after all I will be broadcasting over the Internet not a cell phone.
This say's nothing about Internet only cards.
Cellular telephones installed in or carried aboard airplanes,
balloons or any other type of aircraft must not be operated while such
aircraft are airborne (not touching the ground). When any aircraft
leaves the ground, all cellular telephones on board that aircraft must
be turned off. The following notice must be posted on or near each
cellular telephone installed in any aircraft:
``The use of cellular telephones while this aircraft is airborne is
prohibited by FCC rules, and the violation of this rule could result in
suspension of service and/or a fine. The use of cellular telephones
while this aircraft is on the ground is subject to FAA regulations.''
Jeff
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jmaynard
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| Posted: Wed Jan 07, 2009 5:43 am Post subject: Internet and flying |
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On Wed, Jan 07, 2009 at 01:16:35AM -0500, Afterfxllc(at)aol.com wrote:
| Quote: | I will have a cell phone with me that will be OFF but I have a Sprint Wi Fi
card that is for Internet use only that I will be using....
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If it's truly WiFi, then there's no problem. If it's a Sprint data card,
though, it's just a cellphone that's only usable for data, and is subject to
the same regulations.
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dave(at)algoa.net
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| Posted: Wed Jan 07, 2009 6:17 am Post subject: Internet and flying |
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And if it is truly WiFi he will need to load his scrolling map with all the coffee shops along the way and fly the 'Starbuck'-airways rather than the 'victor'-airways... <g>
Dave
On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 7:40 AM, Jay Maynard <jmaynard(at)conmicro.com (jmaynard(at)conmicro.com)> wrote:
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On Wed, Jan 07, 2009 at 01:16:35AM -0500, Afterfxllc(at)aol.com (Afterfxllc(at)aol.com) wrote:
> I will have a cell phone with me that will be OFF but I have a Sprint Wi Fi
> card that is for Internet use only that I will be using....
If it's truly WiFi, then there's no problem. If it's a Sprint data card,
though, it's just a cellphone that's only usable for data, and is subject to
the same regulations.
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Jay Maynard, K5ZC, PP-ASEL, AGI http://www.conmicro.com
http://jmaynard.livejournal.com http://www.tronguy.net
Fairmont, MN (KFRM) (Yes, that's me!)
AMD Zodiac CH601XLi N55ZC http://www.tronguy.net/N55ZC.shtml
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Gig Giacona
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| Posted: Wed Jan 07, 2009 6:33 am Post subject: Re: Internet and flying |
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Aft,
I could hardly care less if you use your cell phone in flight but while Sprint may call it a WiFi card it is still just a cell phone that is limited to data only and hence its use in flight is a violation of FCC regulations.
Why you are so interested in streaming video out of the plane in flight is beyond me. It is going to look like crap and odds are nobody is going to be watching it with the exception of maybe family and friends. And they will probably get tired of the crappy feed. Add to that the issue that you are probably going to have to dick around with it in-flight which will take your mind off of what you should be doing which is flying the plane.
Why don't you just shoot some video and upload it on to YouTube.
P.S. I found, fairly nearby (Vicksburg MS), a rentable 601XL late last week and sent the guy and email and in about an hour we had a 2 each email conversation. The last one ended with him saying that he was in the plane with a student and he would call when he got back on the ground. He had been emailing me using his Blackberry in flight.
P.P.S. If anyone is looking for a 601XLi to get time in time prior to first flight his contact info is
Michael Nassour
601-415-3070
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dave(at)algoa.net
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| Posted: Wed Jan 07, 2009 7:08 am Post subject: Internet and flying |
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I have to admit to that one... I fly with the BBerry's radio off, but once in a while I have been known to turn it on, look at the local radar shot and then turn it off again. I know it can cause trouble, but then, so can convection. The 60 to 90 seconds it takes me to improve my sit awareness seems like a good compromise between the letter of the law and the intent of the law.
Dave
On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 8:33 AM, Gig Giacona <wrgiacona(at)gmail.com (wrgiacona(at)gmail.com)> wrote:
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Aft,
I could hardly care less if you use your cell phone in flight but while Sprint may call it a WiFi card it is still just a cell phone that is limited to data only and hence its use in flight is a violation of FCC regulations.
Why you are so interested in streaming video out of the plane in flight is beyond me. It is going to look like crap and odds are nobody is going to be watching it with the exception of maybe family and friends. And they will probably get tired of the crappy feed. Add to that the issue that you are probably going to have to dick around with it in-flight which will take your mind off of what you should be doing which is flying the plane.
Why don't you just shoot some video and upload it on to YouTube.
P.S. I found, fairly nearby (Vicksburg MS), a rentable 601XL late last week and sent the guy and email and in about an hour we had a 2 each email conversation. The last one ended with him saying that he was in the plane with a student and he would call when he got back on the ground. He had been emailing me using his Blackberry in flight.
P.P.S. If anyone is looking for a 601XLi to get time in time prior to first flight his contact info is
Michael Nassour
601-415-3070
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W.R. "Gig" Giacona
601XL Under Construction
See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
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Rhino
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| Posted: Tue Jan 20, 2009 12:59 pm Post subject: Re: Internet and flying |
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Sprint WiFi cards are not 800 Mhz, and are therefore not prohibited by that regulation. See the other discussion thread.
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