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pwmac(at)sisna.com
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Posted: Tue Jan 06, 2009 2:09 pm Post subject: sight glass fuel indicator?

Kinda late reply. Thanks for jogging my brain.

Anyway here are 2 more solutions:

http://www.cruzpro.com/fu30.html

Very cool and simple!!

and

http://www.northstarnav.com/en/Products/Fuel-Management/F210-Fuel/

Very popular. The "Northstar F210" is the same product as the "Navman 

Fuel 2100". It has a new price and supplier.

Get these gadgets from the boat places.

Paul

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At 12:40 PM 12/8/2008, Paul Morel wrote:

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Here's about the cheapest Fuel Flow system I found.  I got it a 

little cheaper at Oshkosh this past summer and it's going in my Speedster.

http://www.fdatasystems.com/



Paul Morel

Model IV Speedster

Locust Grove, GA

akflyer

Joined: 07 May 2007
Posts: 574
Location: Soldotna AK

Posted: Tue Jan 06, 2009 7:05 pm Post subject: Re: sight glass fuel indicator?

I have the 210 and love it.  Seems to be pretty dang accurate.  It says within 5% out of the box, and it can be calibrated with a known quantity to get it within 2%.  So far I have not seen a need to calibrate it any closer.

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Float Flyr

Joined: 19 Jul 2006
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Location: Campbellton, Newfoundland

Posted: Tue Jan 06, 2009 8:15 pm Post subject: sight glass fuel indicator?

Leonard:



Where did you buy it? $$$?



Noel



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Float Flyr

Joined: 19 Jul 2006
Posts: 2704
Location: Campbellton, Newfoundland

Posted: Wed Jan 07, 2009 7:11 am Post subject: sight glass fuel indicator?

I just got this in from Dave Fisher.  He's the one who puts all those vids

on youtube.  He claims to have run over 5000 gal. through one of those

units... He didn't say if they were real gallons or the U.S.  ... (Sorry,

thats right we don't have gallons here any more...Right!) and it's still

accurate.  He was also nice enough to pass along the current price $109 U.S.

this was from a marine supply shop.  www.boatersland.com/f210.html  .  I'm

going to be looking into this one.

 



Noel Loveys

Campbellton, NL, Canada

CDN AME intern, PP-Rec

C-FINB, Kitfox III-A

912 almost installed

Aerocet 1100 floats

noelloveys(at)yahoo.ca



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Aerocet 1100 Floats

msm_9949(at)yahoo.com
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Posted: Wed Jan 07, 2009 9:22 am Post subject: sight glass fuel indicator?

Noel: I've had one of these in Lola for 2 years now. Cheap and easy to install. Displays fuel burn, gallons used, gallons remaining. It's so accurate I've gotten to using fuel burn instead of rpms as primary power setting indication. You'll love it.

 

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Model 2 582-90 C-Box 3:1 w/clutch 



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From: Noel Loveys <noelloveys(at)yahoo.ca>

Subject: RE: Re: sight glass fuel indicator?

To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com

Date: Wednesday, January 7, 2009, 10:09 AM



I just got this in from Dave Fisher.  He's the one who puts all those vids

on youtube.  He claims to have run over 5000 gal. through one of those

units... He didn't say if they were real gallons or the U.S.  ...

(Sorry,

thats right we don't have gallons here any more...Right!) and it's

still

accurate.  He was also nice enough to pass along the current price $109 U.S

akflyer

Joined: 07 May 2007
Posts: 574
Location: Soldotna AK

Posted: Wed Jan 07, 2009 9:28 am Post subject: Re: sight glass fuel indicator?

 	  Float Flyr wrote: 	
		  I just got this in from Dave Fisher.  He's the one who puts all those vids

on youtube.  He claims to have run over 5000 gal. through one of those

units... He didn't say if they were real gallons or the U.S.  ... (Sorry,

thats right we don't have gallons here any more...Right!) and it's still

accurate.  He was also nice enough to pass along the current price $109 U.S.

this was from a marine supply shop.  www.boatersland.com/f210.html  .  I'm

going to be looking into this one.

 



Noel Loveys

Campbellton, NL, Canada

CDN AME intern, PP-Rec

C-FINB, Kitfox III-A

912 almost installed

Aerocet 1100 floats

noelloveys(at)yahoo.ca



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That is where mine came from, but I think it was more when I ordered it last year.  Get it, you wont be dissapointed.  And it will really open your eyes when you see what 100 RPM can do to fuel burn versus cruise speed.  I think you will find that you fly just a couple MPH slower and can stay up alot longer ant get farther down the trail....

larry huntley

Joined: 19 Jul 2008
Posts: 149

Posted: Wed Jan 07, 2009 1:55 pm Post subject: sight glass fuel indicator?

G'day Foxy Folks,

  I called to order this fuel monitor. I see they also list a transducer. Is 

this needed? The girl at the phone thought so. Makes a substantial 

difference in price. Also, how do these hook up? Do they go in the line ,or 

around it or ???

  Sounds great to me as I am in the final processes of putting my Kitfox 

back in the air after a fuel shortage off field landing. Thanx for the info. 

Larry

Larry Huntley

Dundee,NY

4-1200  EA81

Amax redrive Warp Drive prop

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gary.algate(at)sandvik.co
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Posted: Wed Jan 07, 2009 2:03 pm Post subject: sight glass fuel indicator?

Likewise I have the Navman Fuel flow meter and checked accuracy after 3,000 Ltr (792 US Gals) and it read about 15 Ltrs high. Less than 2% and probably more due to draining at fuel checks than internal accuracy.

 

 Gary Algate

 Classic 4 Jab2200

 Office Phone: +61 8 8276 7655

 

 

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08/01/2009 02:01 AM 

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I just got this in from Dave Fisher.  He's the one who puts all those vids

 on youtube.  He claims to have run over 5000 gal. through one of those

 units... He didn't say if they were real gallons or the U.S.  ... (Sorry,

 thats right we don't have gallons here any more...Right!) and it's still

 accurate.  He was also nice enough to pass along the current price $109 U.S.

 this was from a marine supply shop.  www.boatersland.com/f210.html  .  I'm

 going to be looking into this one.

 

 

  

 

 Noel Loveys

 Campbellton, NL, Canada

 CDN AME intern, PP-Rec

 C-FINB, Kitfox III-A

 912 almost installed

 Aerocet 1100 floats

 noelloveys(at)yahoo.ca

 

 

 

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gary.algate(at)sandvik.co
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Posted: Wed Jan 07, 2009 2:28 pm Post subject: sight glass fuel indicator?

I think you'll find the transducer is the small turbine that fits in the fuel line to record fuel flow - a simple 12 V wire connection runs back to the Fuel Flow meter to feed the system. 

 

It  is suggested that the transducer is located cabin side of the firewall i possible as they are normally made from glass  reinforced plastic and will melt if exposed to extremely high temps (engine fire), I had difficulty dong this as mine has barbed connections and I don't have any hose inside the cabin so I connected it between the engine bay fuel filter and the carby. I then wrapped it completely in fire proof material so that it is full protected. 

 

Hope this helps 

 

Gary

 

 Gary Algate

 Classic 4 Jab2200

 Office Phone: +61 8 8276 7655

 

 

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 G'day Foxy Folks,

   I called to order this fuel monitor. I see they also list a transducer. Is 

 this needed? The girl at the phone thought so. Makes a substantial 

 difference in price. Also, how do these hook up? Do they go in the line ,or 

 around it or ???

   Sounds great to me as I am in the final processes of putting my Kitfox 

 back in the air after a fuel shortage off field landing. Thanx for the info. 

 Larry

 Larry Huntley

 Dundee,NY

 4-1200  EA81

 Amax redrive Warp Drive prop

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larry huntley

Joined: 19 Jul 2008
Posts: 149

Posted: Wed Jan 07, 2009 2:46 pm Post subject: sight glass fuel indicator?

Gary,

  Do you know if the transducer is part of the  unit that is for sale? Also,what do you think of the chances of the little  turbine plugging or failing and stopping fuel flow?  

                                                                         Thanx,  Larry

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akflyer

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Location: Soldotna AK

Posted: Wed Jan 07, 2009 2:46 pm Post subject: Re: sight glass fuel indicator?

Mine came with the transducer



Northstar Explorer F210  NSTF210         1  113.99

Digital Fuel Display

w/Single Engine Kit

                                  Subtotal  113.99

                                  Shipping   23.47

                                       Tax    0.00

                                     Total  137.46



This was from my order on 6-30-07



I have a kitfox header tank installed behind the seat.  I have a filter then the transducer coming off the bottom of the header, then reduce the line down to 5/16" and run aluminum tubing along the floor through the firewall into the gascolator.

Float Flyr

Joined: 19 Jul 2006
Posts: 2704
Location: Campbellton, Newfoundland

Posted: Wed Jan 07, 2009 3:10 pm Post subject: sight glass fuel indicator?

I emailed boatersland and the reply I got was the transducer, which is

needed, is included in the kit.  



This is part of the reply I got this afternoon.

<snip>

yes it does come with the sender

yes we do ship to Canada

<end of snip>



Noel



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gary.algate(at)sandvik.co
Guest

Posted: Wed Jan 07, 2009 3:36 pm Post subject: sight glass fuel indicator?

Larry 

 

when I purchased mine I paid about $250 and this included the transducer - most of the systems I have seen always include the transducer as they really do come as a set! 

 

The turbine in the transducer is designed so that if for any reason it stops rotating it can still supply full flow through the blades of the turbine. 

 

I know this works as on one occasion after transporting my plane to Australia when I started the engine I was showing fuel flow (up to max RPM on the ground) yet my EGT's were all in the green proving there was ample flow to the engine. After a few minutes the transducer started turning and all read normal. 

 

I pulled the transducer and found that there was some fine residue in it which I cleaned out with no further problems. 

 

I guess the 3 months in a shipping container with a dry fuel system allowed some crap to settle out. 

 

Regards 

 

Gary

 

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 Office Phone: +61 8 8276 7655

 

 

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Lynn Matteson

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 2778
Location: Grass Lake, Michigan

Posted: Wed Jan 07, 2009 7:52 pm Post subject: sight glass fuel indicator?

When I go to this site:  http://www.northstarnav.com/en/Products/Fuel- 

Management/F210-Fuel/   two pictures come up....what is the D210?   

They only seem to describe the F210.

Lynn Matteson

Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger

Jabiru 2200, #2062, 596+ hrs

Sensenich 62x46

flying again after engine rebuild, and new Electroair direct-fire  

ignition system;

also building a new pair of snow skis

do not archive

On Jan 6, 2009, at 5:07 PM, paul wilson wrote:

 	  Quote: 	

 Kinda late reply. Thanks for jogging my brain.

 Anyway here are 2 more solutions:

 http://www.cruzpro.com/fu30.html

 Very cool and simple!!

 and

 http://www.northstarnav.com/en/Products/Fuel-Management/F210-Fuel/

 Very popular. The "Northstar F210" is the same product as the  

 "Navman Fuel 2100". It has a new price and supplier.

 Get these gadgets from the boat places.

 Paul

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 At 12:40 PM 12/8/2008, Paul Morel wrote:

> 

> <pmorel(at)bellsouth.net>

>

> Here's about the cheapest Fuel Flow system I found.  I got it a  

> little cheaper at Oshkosh this past summer and it's going in my  

> Speedster.

> http://www.fdatasystems.com/

>

> Paul Morel

> Model IV Speedster

> Locust Grove, GA

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Kitfox IV-Jabiru 2200
N369LM

Paul A. Franz, P.E.

Joined: 02 Dec 2008
Posts: 280
Location: Bellevue WA

Posted: Wed Jan 07, 2009 8:44 pm Post subject: sight glass fuel indicator?

On Wed, January 7, 2009 7:51 pm, Lynn Matteson wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		   



 When I go to this site:  http://www.northstarnav.com/en/Products/Fuel-

 Management/F210-Fuel/   two pictures come up....what is the D210?

 They only seem to describe the F210.


	


Depth Display



<http://www.boatersland.com/d210.html>



Here's the manual



<http://primus.northstarnav.com/icrns/Northstar%20FAQS/Manuals/D210_manual.pdf>



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Registration/Aircraft - N14UW/Merlin GT

Engine/Prop - Rotax 914/NSI CAP

Bellevue WA

425.241.1618 Cell

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Lynn Matteson

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 2778
Location: Grass Lake, Michigan

Posted: Thu Jan 08, 2009 5:57 am Post subject: sight glass fuel indicator?

Thanks, Paul....depth of snow? Just kidding....the F210 sounds like a  

good "hole filler" for that hole in my panel where my fuel pressure  

gauge used to reside (now that I've gone to gravity fuel feed)...and  

beneficial, too. I may have to get one.



I would think that the F210 would work with gravity fuel flow...why  

wouldn't it?



Lynn Matteson

Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger

Jabiru 2200, #2062, 596+ hrs

Sensenich 62x46

flying again after engine rebuild, and new Electroair direct-fire  

ignition system;

almost done with building a new pair of snow skis





On Jan 7, 2009, at 11:42 PM, Paul Franz - Merlin GT wrote:

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 Depth Display

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 Paul A. Franz

 Registration/Aircraft - N14UW/Merlin GT

 Engine/Prop - Rotax 914/NSI CAP

 Bellevue WA

 425.241.1618 Cell

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