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Afterfxllc(at)aol.com
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Posted: Mon Jan 12, 2009 8:34 am Post subject: Need help & consuling on Rivet puller

Bob,

  

 I have never used that type of gun but I have other guns and none  require filling with oil. If you drain all the oil they will more than likely  work just fine. I think the oil is just a few drops daily but I could be wrong  about your gun but odds are if it is getting oil everywhere it probably  shouldn't be in the gun. Try it and let us know what happened.

  

  Jeff  Garrett

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		  I had    difficulty with the setup instructions ( Chinese instructions ) and for the    life of me I still have not been able to get the oil level correct. The    instructions state that the unit should be filled with oil up to the top of    the frame, without showing where exactly what they consider as being the top    or the exact filling level is. 	


 

  

  

  



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psm(at)att.net
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Posted: Mon Jan 12, 2009 8:39 am Post subject: Need help & consuling on Rivet puller

Hi Bob,



After completing (nearly?) my XL, I have accumulated a lot of rivet 

puller experience.  Fortunately, my first purchase of a powered 

puller was guided by this list.  I bought the Harbor Freight lower 

priced air powered puller and eventually bought another one.  These 

cost around $25 each on sale and maybe $30 or $40 at regular price.



I have my Harbor Freight pullers equipped with a custom built nose 

piece to form the Heintz style shop head.  I didn't like the standard 

shaped heads because I tended to set the rivets at a slight angle 

rather than flush with the metal piece.  The pieces I made are 

similar in most dimensions to the regular ones but about 1/2 inch 

flat on the front to make it easier to get them flush to the metal.



I have heard about pullers that have some sort of oil reservoir.  The 

Harbor Freight ones don't.  You just put a few drops of oil in the 

air hose intake each day.



I also have several hand powered pullers.  They all work fine.  I 

tend to use either the powered or hand puller for A4 rivets but for 

A5s the powered puller definitely gets used more often.



Good luck,



Paul

XL getting close

At 08:20 AM 1/12/2009, you wrote:



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<robert.pelland(at)cgocable.ca>



When I first started looking for a rivet puller, I shied away from 

the gun that was being offered by Zenith because I had heard from 

builders on this List, that there was many instances of cracking in 

the casings. As a replacement I decided to go with a gun that was 

being offered by ACS

ter_turn(at)yahoo.com
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Posted: Mon Jan 12, 2009 10:14 am Post subject: Need help & consuling on Rivet puller

Bob, most of the rivet pullers are actually pneumatic/hydraulic. To oil the unit, you must remove the bottom cover and pull out the large piston with a pliers. Then fill the puller w/ air tool oil through the piston stem opening just to the top of the opening. This completes the hydraulics of the tool. Then grease the walls of the tank and replace the plunger and cover. Thereafter a few drops of oil into the air inlet before use each day will suffice. There is also a measurement for the head to be adjusted using one of the tools provided. This seems to be crucial to the operation. Hope this helps.



Terry Turnquist

601XL-Plans

St. Peters MO



Paul Mulwitz <psm(at)att.net> wrote:[quote] --> Zenith601-List message posted by: Paul Mulwitz 



Hi Bob,



After completing (nearly?) my XL, I have accumulated a lot of  rivet 

puller experience.  Fortunately, my first purchase of a powered 

puller was guided by this list.  I bought the Harbor Freight lower 

priced air powered puller and eventually bought another one.  These 

cost around $25 each on sale and maybe $30 or $40 at regular price.



I have my Harbor Freight pullers equipped with a custom built nose 

piece to form the Heintz style shop head.  I didn't like the standard 

shaped heads because I tended to set the rivets at a slight angle 

rather than flush with the metal piece.  The pieces I made are 

similar in most dimensions to the regular ones but about 1/2 inch 

flat on the front to make it easier to get them flush to the metal.



I have heard about pullers that have some sort of oil reservoir.  The 

Harbor Freight ones don't.  You just put a few drops of oil in the 

air hose intake each day.



I also have several hand powered pullers.  They all work fine.  I 

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stepinwolf

Joined: 21 Jan 2008
Posts: 133
Location: Canada

Posted: Mon Jan 12, 2009 10:47 am Post subject: Re: Need help & consuling on Rivet puller

Hi Fellows, I had not expected so much feedback, nor so soon, but I am glad to hear of all your experiences. 



I must first apologize for mis-speaking earlier when I stated that the gun was purchased from ACS. I went through all my invoices, and found the Harbor Freight invoice ID'ing the gun. It is the Central Pneumatic model # 93458, and the exact same model however that ACS is offering. 



As for the oil management, I have a very complete, ( and very expensive I must ad ) set of more then a half dozen " Chicago Pacific ) air tools, and like most of you responders, and few drops in the air intake, is more then enough to keep them in excellent shape. 



However I had never used any rivet gun before, and followed the instructions that were given in the manual to the best of my knowledge, and hence the filling of the tool. Check the pic of the instructions in the user manual below. 



This evening I will pour out any remaining oil, and give both of them another try. 



Bob the 701 & 750 Scratch 



Terry, when I fill the piston stem opening to the top, no sooner that I re-insert the diaphragm into the gun, the oil comes squirting out the air exhaust hole in the front ( check rag ) of the canister or air cylinder.., and also out the rear into the stem holder. 



I will also give this another try.

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careywf(at)sbcglobal.net
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Posted: Mon Jan 12, 2009 11:11 am Post subject: Need help & consuling on Rivet puller

Bob,

  

   I bought the rivet puller that Zenith sells and it hasn't given me a problem at all. Just a few drops of oil once in a while, with no oil splatter/spray at all. Finished the wings and tail feathers, w/about 25% of fuselage complete. Walt in Dayton.



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		  From: stepinwolf <robert.pelland(at)cgocable.ca>

Subject: Need help & consuling on Rivet puller

To: zenith601-list(at)matronics.com

Date: Monday, January 12, 2009, 11:20 AM



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<robert.pelland(at)cgocable.ca>



When I first started looking for a rivet puller, I shied away from the gun that

was being offered by Zenith because I had heard from builders on this List, that

there was many instances of cracking in the casings. As a replacement I decided

to go with a gun that was being offered by ACS ( see pic below ) however it is

starting to look like this was not my best decision. 



I had difficulty with the setup instructions ( Chinese instructions ) and for

the life of me I still have not been able to get the oil level correct. The

instructions state that the unit should be filled with oil up to the top of the

frame, without showing where exactly what they consider as being the top or the

exact filling level is. 



My second mistake was purchasing two guns so as not to have to continually swap

out the two tips. As it stands, when I do get one of the (at)#$%&* things to

work, it won't pull more then a dozen or so rivets, before me being obliged

to open up the air cylinder and start fidgeting with the oil level again. 



I am basically a neat person, and I can't live with the constant spewing of

oil out the front, or the back stem catcher, and ending up on my freshly made

parts, or my work table for that matter. I am now in the process of trying to

look for a replacement, but all the suppliers seem to have the same low cost

gun. The list of resellers I checked with is rather extensive and includes, but

is not limited to, The Yard, ATS, Browns, Cleavland, US Tools, all registered

trademarks etc, and a few more I will not mention. 



My question to the List is this, is the rivet gun being sold by all of these

suppliers the same gun. I have looked as best as I can, and every last one is

showing what looks to be the exact same unit on their web-page, with the only

difference being the color or the pricing. The cases are identical, the same

tips, the same nose pieces, hell they even the same triggering mechanism, and

the only difference so far is prices, that are anywhere between 40$, to a 140$. 



For those of you who have used any of the above guns, are you aware of any

difference in quality of these guns, or is it a " find the peanut under the

shell " type of situation for me to get a proper replacement that will

work, 



Thank's to all of you who will take the time to respond to my concerns. 



Bob, the Scratch builder



Three Rivers,

Quebec.



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ter_turn(at)yahoo.com
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Posted: Mon Jan 12, 2009 11:22 am Post subject: Need help & consuling on Rivet puller

It sounds like you may have an O ring problem in the top part of the puller. You may want to disassemble it and take a look.



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stepinwolf <robert.pelland(at)cgocable.ca> wrote:[quote] --> Zenith601-List message posted by: "stepinwolf" 



Hi Fellows, I had not expected so much feedback, nor so soon, but I am glad to hear of all your experiences. 



I must first apologize for mis-speaking earlier when I stated that the gun was purchased from ACS. I went through all my invoices, and found the Harbor Freight invoice ID'ing the gun. It is the Central Pneumatic model # 93458, and the exact same model however that ACS is offering. 



As for the oil management, I have a very complete, ( and very expensive I must ad ) set of more then a half dozen " Chicago Pacific ) air tools, and like  most of you responders, and few drops in the air intake, is more then enough to keep them in excellent shape. 



However I had never used any rivet gun before, and followed the instructions that were given in the manual to the best of my knowledge, and hence the filling of the tool. Check the pic of the instructions in the user manual below. 



This evening I will pour out any remaining oil, and give both of them another try. 



Bob the 701 & 750 Scratch 



Terry, when I fill the piston stem opening to the top, no sooner that I re-insert the diaphragm into the gun, the oil comes squirting out the air exhaust hole in the front ( check rag ) of the canister or air cylinder.., and also out the rear into the stem holder. 



I will also give this another try.



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graeme(at)coletoolcentre.
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Posted: Mon Jan 12, 2009 3:16 pm Post subject: Need help & consuling on Rivet puller

Once again this subject has come up again!

 Most riviters are Air over Hydraulic.

 Some are straight air

 if you have an air over hydraulic riviter they use air tool oil in the  Hydraulic side.

 You remove the bottom of the tool.

 pull the air cylinder out, the shaft is actually the Hydraulic  piston.

 turn the tool upside down and fill the hydraulic cylinder (approx 1/2"  hole) to the top of the 1/2" hole.

 Replace the piston.

 don,t fill the air cylinder with oil

 These instructions are for the air over hydraulic tool only.

 If you gun has lost its stroke the oil level is down.

 this usually happens after thousands of rivets

 the gun will loose a tiny amount of oil each pull 

 if you haven't fulled thousands of rivets and the gun needs more oil  reguarly.

 you probably have a damaged 0 ok X ring in the top of the Gun.

  

 The Air only puller only requires a couple of drops where the air line goes  on.

 The air over hydraulic gun also requires a couple of drops in the air line  for the air side.

  

 Graemecns

  

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ideaz1(at)sbcglobal.net
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Posted: Mon Jan 12, 2009 7:34 pm Post subject: Need help & consuling on Rivet puller

God you guys are something else. I have an original "Pop Rivet" brand hand 

rivet tool I bought for about 4 bucks in about 1973 and after all those 

years of misc. use I've built 2 planes with at least as many rivets as the 

601 and will build my 601 with it as well.

Or maybe I can discuss all the ramifications of the ramistat ad infinitum... 

Geez!

K Dilks

Joined: 22 Sep 2008
Posts: 108
Location: UK

Posted: Tue Jan 13, 2009 12:29 am Post subject: Re: Need help & consuling on Rivet puller

Although I have only done the tail feathers, I am well happy with the ZAC supplied gun , smooth and quiet.

 Run 2.5 bar for A4 and 3.2 bar for the A5 rivets, through the compressors regulator.

 

Cheers

kev

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alex_001

Joined: 14 Jan 2007
Posts: 61

Posted: Tue Jan 13, 2009 3:09 am Post subject: looking for dimentions for rivet puller head

hello, can someone be so kind and let me have a drawing(so i can machine one) how to modify the head for the rivet puller.

thank you

stepinwolf

Joined: 21 Jan 2008
Posts: 133
Location: Canada

Posted: Tue Jan 13, 2009 8:23 am Post subject: Re: Need help & consuling on Rivet puller

A big thank you to all who responded to my call for help. 



Yesterday evening I was able to find, and correct the problem with my rivet gun.  As was mentioned in a previous response, the defect was with the large O-ring on the piston at the top of the handle.  it has an O-ring at the rear to seal the oil, and both guns had O-rings that were dried out and hardened.



This is why the gun was quitting after a dozen or so rivets, because the oil was leaking pass the O-ring into the stem catcher.  Now it is working great, with no oil leaks.



There was however one casualty in all this and that is my second gun.  While I was rebuilding the first one on the bench I casually pulled the trigger to check how far back the piston was pulling, and when it evacuated the air from the lower canister, it blow the spring from my second gun off the bench, and was never to be seen again.



Bob the 701 & 750 scratch

Three Rivers, Quebec

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planecrazydld(at)yahoo.co
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Posted: Tue Jan 13, 2009 12:52 pm Post subject: Need help & consuling on Rivet puller

you can sweep with a magnetic "broom".  You can also get down on the floor and look obliquely across the floor: everything else is "taller" than your eye so they stand out.



David L. Downey

  Harleysville (SE) PA, USA



  

--- On Tue, 1/13/09, stepinwolf <robert.pelland(at)cgocable.ca> wrote:

[quote]From: stepinwolf <robert.pelland(at)cgocable.ca>

Subject: Re: Need help & consuling on Rivet puller

To: zenith601-list(at)matronics.com

Date: Tuesday, January 13, 2009, 11:23 AM



[quote]--> Zenith601-List message posted by: "stepinwolf"

<robert.pelland(at)cgocable.ca>



A big thank you to all who responded to my call for help. 



Yesterday evening I  was able to find, and correct the problem with my rivet

gun.  As was mentioned in a previous response, the defect was with the large

O-ring on the piston at the top of the handle.  it has an O-ring at the rear to

seal the oil, and both guns had O-rings that were dried out and hardened.



This is why the gun was quitting after a dozen or so rivets, because the oil

was leaking pass the O-ring into the stem catcher.  Now it is working great,

with no oil leaks.



There was however one casualty in all this and that is my second gun.  While I

was rebuilding the first one on the bench I casually pulled the trigger to check

how far back the piston was pulling, and when it evacuated the air from the

lower canister, it blow the spring from my second gun off the bench, and was

never to be seen again.



Bob the 701 & 750 scratch

Three Rivers, Quebec



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naumuk(at)windstream.net
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Posted: Tue Jan 13, 2009 3:43 pm Post subject: Need help & consuling on Rivet puller

Dirk-

    No, actually this is a valid topic. Pneumatic riveters set perfect 

rivets all the time if you can get the buggers to work properly. The operant 

phrase is "Work Properly". The big advantage is no buck that scratches 

whatever you're working on.

    I'd rather use my pneumatic over my hand riveter any day but they are a 

pain! I think the original post was a cry for help rather than anything 

else. Give the poster a break.

                                                                             

        Bill

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