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Speedy11(at)aol.com
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Posted: Fri Jan 23, 2009 6:48 pm Post subject: RV-8 Canopy Removal

For folks who have finished the canopy, I'd like to know how you remove it  should you need to.  As I fit mine today, even before the skirt is on it,  the canopy almost touches the vertical stabilizer before the Delrin slider block  clears the slider.  With the skirt on, I wonder how you can remove the  canopy other than removing the slider?

 Stan Sutterfield

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JAPhillipsGA(at)aol.com
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Posted: Fri Jan 23, 2009 8:32 pm Post subject: RV-8 Canopy Removal

Stan, your kidding right? Just slide it rearward until it gets  to the end of the track, lift the front off the roller stubs and then slid  it rearward some more until the nylon attachment bracket passes the slide rail.  Then lift it off. Its not much of a problem until you get the skirts on.  Then getting it off is about the same, but you cannot set it on a table as  before because the thin fiberglass skirts extend below the frame and should not  be allowed to support the weight of the canopy. I made a special bench to  support the canopy on the normal three points. Best regards,  Bill  

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John Myers

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Posted: Sat Jan 24, 2009 4:40 am Post subject: RV-8 Canopy Removal

Stan, I just pull the pin on the UHMW/Delrin slide block and lift straight  off.  I have seen a few that machined off the sides of the slide rail at  the rear so that once they pull the front bolts or pins, slide to the  back, they can just lift straight up and off.  Most folks put a short  piece of wood/dowel/or whatever in the left or right slide to keep the canopy  from going all the way to the rear in order to keep the handle from hitting  at the rear, so in normal operation, the canopy never actually gets to the very  rear of the slide.  Then when you are ready to remove it, pull the  front bolts, slide back to the machined out area of the slide and then lift  up.  Clear as mud? sorry don't have a picture.

  

 As I said, I didn't want to cut the slide, so I go to the trouble of  pulling the pin in the UHMW/Delrin block so it stays on the rail when  I pull the canopy.

  

 Hope that helps.

  

 John

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Speedy11(at)aol.com
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Posted: Sat Jan 24, 2009 8:26 am Post subject: RV-8 Canopy Removal

Bill,

 No kidding.

 I've made a carrier for the canopy also and it works great.

 But, as I was removing the canopy yesterday with the skirt temporarily  clamped in place, the trailing edge of the skirt hit the rudder before the nylon  attachment bracket reached the end of the slider track!

 I was very surprised and wondered if others had experienced the same  thing.  I guess not.

 I'll take another look at it today and see if I'm doing something  wrong.

 Thanks,

 Stan

 www.rv-8a.net

  

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		  Stan,    your kidding right? Just slide it rearward until it gets  to the end of    

the track, lift the front off the roller stubs and then slid  it    rearward 

some more until the nylon attachment bracket passes the slide    rail.  Then lift

it 

off. Its not much of a problem until you get    the skirts on.  Then getting it 

off is about the same, but you cannot    set it on a table as  before because the



thin fiberglass skirts    extend below the frame and should not  be allowed to 

support the    weight of the canopy. I made a special bench to  support the    canopy



on the normal three points. Best regards,   Bill 	


 

  

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Matt Dralle
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Posted: Sat Jan 24, 2009 9:28 am Post subject: RV-8 Canopy Removal

At 06:47 PM 1/23/2009  Friday, you wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		  For folks who have finished the canopy, I'd like to know how you remove it should you need to.  As I fit mine today, even before the skirt is on it, the canopy almost touches the vertical stabilizer before the Delrin slider block clears the slider.  With the skirt on, I wonder how you can remove the canopy other than removing the slider?

Stan Sutterfield

<http://www.rv-8a.net>www.rv-8a.net


	


Hi Stan,



Well, as luck would have it, I don't have a single picture with the canopy slid all the way back taken from the rear.  However, I fit the Plexi and the skirts and was able to remove the canopy without a problem.  It comes close to the vertical stab but it clears alright.



Here are a bunch of pictures of my RV-8 installation.  Be sure to cycle though all the various entries including the skirt installation after the scratch removal section.



http://www.mykitlog.com/users/display_log.php?user=dralle&project=638&category 973&log=67121&row 4



Best regards,



Matt Dralle

RV-8 #82880 N998RV (res)

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bertrv6(at)gmail.com
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Posted: Sat Jan 24, 2009 2:28 pm Post subject: RV-8 Canopy Removal

Stan: I have an rv6a, so I do not know on the 8, but the canopy when

all the way back, is plenty

of space before it will touch the V. S.

as to remove, the canopy, again on the rv6, is held only by two

screws, that hold the front

ends into the rollers, in the front.   The center, of course is the

rail, in which the plastic,piece, that

 is attached to the top rail, will slide back and forth..

To remove the canopy, you unsrew the two front bolts, then some one

helping ( you need two

people, or you will bang all the paint around, don't  ask me why I

know this)  will keep canopy

straight and level, you slide it all the way back until it passes the

end of the rail, then the canopy

is totally free.   One person hold the front, the other one side, and

moving carefully move out

of the plane... is not that easy, as I said,  it is heavy than one thinks...

A stron guy maybe can lift it all by himself I could not do it....

To install it back  reverese the process..

Hope this will add to the prebious info.

bert

rv6a

On Sat, Jan 24, 2009 at 12:26 PM, Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> wrote:

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 At 06:47 PM 1/23/2009  Friday, you wrote:

>For folks who have finished the canopy, I'd like to know how you remove it should you need to.  As I fit mine today, even before the skirt is on it, the canopy almost touches the vertical stabilizer before the Delrin slider block clears the slider.  With the skirt on, I wonder how you can remove the canopy other than removing the slider?

>Stan Sutterfield

><http://www.rv-8a.net>www.rv-8a.net

 Hi Stan,

 Well, as luck would have it, I don't have a single picture with the canopy slid all the way back taken from the rear.  However, I fit the Plexi and the skirts and was able to remove the canopy without a problem.  It comes close to the vertical stab but it clears alright.

 Here are a bunch of pictures of my RV-8 installation.  Be sure to cycle though all the various entries including the skirt installation after the scratch removal section.

 http://www.mykitlog.com/users/display_log.php?user=dralle&project=638&category 973&log=67121&row 4

 Best regards,

 Matt Dralle

 RV-8 #82880 N998RV (res)

johnciolino(at)comcast.ne
Guest

Posted: Sun Jan 25, 2009 2:08 am Post subject: RV-8 Canopy Removal

Stan,

  

 My canopy skirt also hit the VS and I  had to trim the trailing edge some to make sure it did not hit.  I  trimmed  enough to be able to slide the nylon attachment bracket off the  rail. Of course that meant the initial fit the canopy skirt at the aft end no  longer worked and I had to reposition it. (Do over - the story of my  building life.)

  

 Once you trim enough to be able to  remove the canopy you also want to install the empennage fairing  (temporarily) to the VS and make sure the skirt does not hit that is everyday  use. That should not be a problem.

  

 As someone else mentioned, you  need  install the canopy latch.  You will find that the canopy latch  handle will hit the aft fuselage bulkhead and a stop has to be installed in  the canopy rail to prevent this.  This also limits how far back the skirt  will travel. The amount of travel you need to clear the empennage fairing  in everyday use is less than if you want to remove the canopy. 

  

 In order to remove my finished canopy  without removing the nylon slider,  I have to remove the empennage  fairing, lift the front of the canopy just enough to pull the rollers  out and I can then slide  the nylon bracket off the rail.  It is a 2 person job.

  

 John Ciolino

 Working on final  assembly.

  



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  Bill,

 No kidding.

 I've made a carrier for the canopy also and it works great.

 But, as I was removing the canopy yesterday with the skirt temporarily  clamped in place, the trailing edge of the skirt hit the rudder before the nylon  attachment bracket reached the end of the slider track!

 I was very surprised and wondered if others had experienced the same  thing.  I guess not.

 I'll take another look at it today and see if I'm doing something  wrong.

 Thanks,

 Stan

 www.rv-8a.net

  

  	  Quote: 	
		  Stan,    your kidding right? Just slide it rearward until it gets  to the end of    

the track, lift the front off the roller stubs and then slid  it    rearward 

some more until the nylon attachment bracket passes the slide    rail.  Then lift

it 

off. Its not much of a problem until you get    the skirts on.  Then getting it 

off is about the same, but you cannot    set it on a table as  before because the



thin fiberglass skirts    extend below the frame and should not  be allowed to 

support the    weight of the canopy. I made a special bench to  support the    canopy



on the normal three points. Best regards,   Bill 	


 

  



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Speedy11(at)aol.com
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Posted: Sun Jan 25, 2009 4:03 am Post subject: RV-8 Canopy Removal

My sincere appreciation to all who replied.  Great ideas which made me  think.

  

 John, I hadn't even considered your idea of pulling the pin in the Delrin  block - great idea.  thanks.

 I am going to put a stop at the aft limit of the side rails to keep the  canopy from banging at the back.

 I had heard of machining the slot in the slider rail, but didn't want to do  that unless required.

  

 Thanks again to everyone.  The net is such an asset for us.  It's  hard to imagine building in, say, 1950 when even telephones were not  common.  The early builders were real aviation pioneers.

  

 Stan Sutterfield

  

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		  Stan, I    just pull the pin on the UHMW/Delrin slide block and lift 

straight    off.  I have seen a few that machined off the sides of the 

slide rail    at the rear so that once they pull the front bolts or pins, 

slide to the    back, they can just lift straight up and off.  Most folks 

put a short    piece of wood/dowel/or whatever in the left or right slide 

to keep the    canopy from going all the way to the rear in order to keep 

the handle from    hitting at the rear, so in normal operation, the canopy 

never actually    gets to the very rear of the slide.  Then when you are 

ready to    remove it, pull the front bolts, slide back to the machined out 

area of    the slide and then lift up.  Clear as mud? sorry don't have a    

picture.



As I said, I didn't want to cut the slide, so I go to the    trouble of 

pulling the pin in the UHMW/Delrin block so it stays on the    rail when I 

pull the canopy.



Hope that  helps.



John

	


 

  

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Speedy11(at)aol.com
Guest

Posted: Mon Jan 26, 2009 2:47 am Post subject: RV-8 Canopy Removal

Excellent info!

 Thanks, John.

 Stan

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  	  Quote: 	
		  My    canopy skirt also hit the VS and I had to trim the trailing edge some 

to    make sure it did not hit.  I trimmed  enough to be able to slide the    

nylon attachment bracket off the rail. Of course that meant the initial    

fit the canopy skirt at the aft end no longer worked and I had to    

reposition it. (Do over - the story of my building life.)



Once you    trim enough to be able to remove the canopy you also want to 

install the    empennage fairing (temporarily) to the VS and make sure the 

skirt does not    hit that is everyday use. That should not be a problem.



As someone else    mentioned, you need  install the canopy latch.  You will 

find    that the canopy latch handle will hit the aft fuselage bulkhead and 

a stop    has to be installed in the canopy rail to prevent this.  This 

also    limits how far back the skirt will travel. The amount of travel you 

need    to clear the empennage fairing in everyday use is less than if you 

want to    remove the canopy. 



In order to remove my finished canopy without    removing the nylon slider, 

I have to remove the empennage fairing, lift    the front of the canopy 

just enough to pull the rollers out and I can then    slide the nylon 

bracket off the rail.  It is a 2 person    job.



John Ciolino

Working on final assembly. 	


 

  

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JAPhillipsGA(at)aol.com
Guest

Posted: Mon Jan 26, 2009 2:46 pm Post subject: RV-8 Canopy Removal

Stan, I didn't understand what you meant that the VS was in  the way. Yes, once the VS is mounted the canopy skirt will hit it before the  nylon keeper bracket slides off the rail. I guess you pull the keeper pin and  remove it and lift off the canopy. Sorry about my smart ass response earlier.  I've given up booze and tobacco in the last couple months and my mind has left  me. Best regards, Bill

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