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 Posted: Sat Jan 24, 2009 9:03 am Post subject: Short Wing Pipers |
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Short wing Pipers death traps??
I think all should fly a few hundred in aircraft before they bad mouth them. I flew the Colt (2 place Tri-Pacer no flaps) for 600 hours when I started instructing, along with T-Crafts Tri-Pacers and all of the other typical aircraft of the day 1962. The majority of the Piper PA-20's (Pacer) are converted to PA-22 (Tri Pacer) I have a parts manual and it is a PA 20-22 parts manual, the ONLY difference is the gear location. I still say the Tri-Pacer is one of the most under estimated aircraft around and one of the better buys, they might not look sexy but they will do what is asked of them. Good plane! $ for $ it will haul more faster with less maintenance than nearly any airplane made.
Elbie 25,000 hours still instructing EAA 38308
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| Posted: Sun Jan 25, 2009 8:52 am Post subject: short wing pipers |
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Whoops my fingers didn't do what my brain said PA-22's are converted to PA-20's
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Paul A. Franz, P.E.
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| Posted: Sun Jan 25, 2009 9:17 am Post subject: short wing pipers |
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On Sun, January 25, 2009 8:50 am, EMAproducts(at)aol.com wrote:
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Whoops my fingers didn't do what my brain said PA-22's are converted to
PA-20's
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What I learned here is that there are STC's for conversion of PA-20's to PA-22's. I
was unaware of the early PA-20 version. So apparently conversions have been done and
there are STC's for both tricycle <==> conventional swaps.
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larry huntley
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| Posted: Sun Jan 25, 2009 10:13 am Post subject: short wing pipers |
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You're all right Elbie. I noticed earlier that I had said they brought out the PA-22 Pacer instead of PA20 pacer.
You show up everywhere! Larry Huntley B75L
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crazyivan
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| Posted: Sun Jan 25, 2009 12:52 pm Post subject: Re: Short Wing Pipers |
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You're right. It isn't a death trap. Look up the NTSB database. The "deathtrap" reputation came from the fact that some Pacers had their wings break off. They identified this as a problem a long time ago and found that the wing struts were rusting and failing. Since then an AD was issued and they came out with sealed struts and stronger attachment forks. The only Pacers that lost their wings over the past 20 years were those that didn't comply with the AD. There was one where the spar cracked off but that was due to shoddy extensive maintenance by the owner (non A&P).
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| Posted: Tue Jan 27, 2009 8:07 am Post subject: Short Wing Pipers |
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My first solo was in a Piper Colt off of a grass strip. I later purchased a Tri-Pacer which I owned for 15 years. I share your opinion of those craft, and have a lot of respect for them. The Tri-Pacer that I had was a 1957 with 150 hp, and would cruise (at) 135 mph carrying more than a 172 at a higher speed.
These airplanes are tough and good, and are generally under rated for sure. In fact the Tri-Pacer out performed Piper’s immediate replacement model, the Cherokee 140. Mine had the 8 gallon aux tank, and I once flew it nonstop from Phoenix Field, near Sacramento California to Redmond Oregon. I now can hardly believe that I did this without noise cancelling headset, in fact without headset at all!
Duane Rueb, N24ZM
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Short wing Pipers death traps??
I think all should fly a few hundred in aircraft before they bad mouth them. I flew the Colt (2 place Tri-Pacer no flaps) for 600 hours when I started instructing, along with T-Crafts Tri-Pacers and all of the other typical aircraft of the day 1962. The majority of the Piper PA-20's (Pacer) are converted to PA-22 (Tri Pacer) I have a parts manual and it is a PA 20-22 parts manual, the ONLY difference is the gear location. I still say the Tri-Pacer is one of the most under estimated aircraft around and one of the better buys, they might not look sexy but they will do what is asked of them. Good plane! $ for $ it will haul more faster with less maintenance than nearly any airplane made.
Elbie 25,000 hours still instructing EAA 38308
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