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lwinger

Joined: 21 Jun 2006
Posts: 229
Location: Tustin, CA

Posted: Tue Jan 27, 2009 7:04 am Post subject: Posting on 650 list for plans builders

I see that the 650 list is under utilized.  In the spirit of having separate lists, I've just posted a detailed note that should be of interest to 650 plans builders.  Hopefully more 650 builders will start to post there soon.

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Installing fuel system
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Gig Giacona

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 1416
Location: El Dorado Arkansas USA

Posted: Tue Jan 27, 2009 7:10 am Post subject: Re: Posting on 650 list for plans builders

While I understand why the lists were split between 601 and 701, I really think the split the 6 series Zeniths. Is a huge mistake. And will especially hurt the 650 builders. 



This isn't a social list. It is supposed to be a place to tap into the combined experience of current and past builders. Since there are exactly ZERO builders that have completed a 650 the knowledge there is limited.

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601XL Under Construction
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carlossa52(at)gmail.com
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Posted: Tue Jan 27, 2009 7:48 am Post subject: Posting on 650 list for plans builders

There is a 650 list?!

This is a bit too much granularity, in my opinion..



Carlos

do not archive



2009/1/27 Gig Giacona <wrgiacona(at)gmail.com (wrgiacona(at)gmail.com)>

 [quote]--> Zenith601-List message posted by: "Gig Giacona" <wrgiacona(at)gmail.com (wrgiacona(at)gmail.com)>

  

 While I understand why the lists were split between 601 and 701, I really think the split the 6 series Zeniths. Is a huge mistake. And will especially hurt the 650 builders.

 

 This isn't a social list. It is supposed to be a place to tap into the combined experience of current and past builders. Since there are exactly ZERO builders that have completed a 650 the knowledge there is limited.

  

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lwinger

Joined: 21 Jun 2006
Posts: 229
Location: Tustin, CA

Posted: Tue Jan 27, 2009 7:56 am Post subject: Posting on 650 list for plans builders

Gig,

  

 I happen to agree, especially since the differences between the two models are so limited.  I was trying to move some traffic in that direction, but I'm content ignoring the list.  In reality, when I want to get information on the building or flying of Zenith Zodiac series aircraft, this is the list I read.  As you suggest, it is going to be some time before there is a group of 650 builders who can provide 650-specific support.

   

 Larry

  

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 On Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 7:10 AM, Gig Giacona <wrgiacona(at)gmail.com (wrgiacona(at)gmail.com)> wrote:

 [quote]--> Zenith601-List message posted by: "Gig Giacona" <wrgiacona(at)gmail.com (wrgiacona(at)gmail.com)>

 

While I understand why the lists were split between 601 and 701, I really think the split the 6 series Zeniths. Is a huge mistake. And will especially hurt the 650 builders.



This isn't a social list. It is supposed to be a place to tap into the combined experience of current and past builders. Since there are exactly ZERO builders that have completed a 650 the knowledge there is limited.

 

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W.R. &quot;Gig&quot; Giacona

601XL Under Construction

See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR





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Installing fuel system
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Posted: Tue Jan 27, 2009 10:23 am Post subject: Posting on 650 list for plans builders

Since the first splt of lists,  I sugested (probably even voted, cant remember) not to do it,  given that all ZAC airplanes use the same building system,  just diferent configurtation,  all ideas can be used for all builders.

  

 Probably the only list that should be keept apart, given all the "experts" WE are subscribed there   ,  Yes I am there....  is the ZBAG list...

  

 I am subscribed to all of the Zenith lists,  no big deal, eventually only delete the multiple equal posts in the lists...

  

 Saludos

 Gary Gower

 Flying a 701 Rotax 912S

 Building a 601 XL  Jabiru 3300

 Flying from Chapala, Mexico

 Building in Guadalajara, Mexico.



--- On Tue, 1/27/09, Gig Giacona <wrgiacona(at)gmail.com> wrote:



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		  From: Gig Giacona <wrgiacona(at)gmail.com>

Subject: Re: Posting on 650 list for plans builders

To: zenith601-list(at)matronics.com

Date: Tuesday, January 27, 2009, 10:10 AM



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		  --> Zenith601-List message posted by: "Gig Giacona"

<wrgiacona(at)gmail.com>



While I understand why the lists were split between 601 and 701, I really think

the split the 6 series Zeniths. Is a huge mistake. And will especially hurt the

650 builders. 



This isn't a social list. It is supposed to be a place to tap into the

combined experience of current and past builders. Since there are exactly ZERO

builders that have completed a 650 the knowledge there is limited.



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W.R. &quot;Gig&quot; Giacona

601XL Under Construction

See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR





Read this topic online here:



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Gig Giacona

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 1416
Location: El Dorado Arkansas USA

Posted: Tue Jan 27, 2009 11:15 am Post subject: Re: Posting on 650 list for plans builders

Gary,



The big problem with the multiple lists is for the newbies that find it on the web forum instead of via the e-mail list. They come find a 650 list with out much information and never return.



I know I couldn't have built my plane without this list or one like it.

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craig(at)craigandjean.com
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Posted: Tue Jan 27, 2009 1:00 pm Post subject: Posting on 650 list for plans builders

Not only is there a 650 list but there is also a 750 list. What adds to the pain is that you now have to search three archives for info germane to the 750: the old “all Zenith” list, the 701/801 list (because the 701 builders experience is very relevant to the 750) and the 750 list. I was thinking of asking Matt if he could make the archive search function work across multiple lists.  

   

-- Craig  

     

From: owner-zenith601-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith601-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Carlos Sa

 Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 8:45 AM

 To: zenith601-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: Re: Re: Posting on 650 list for plans builders  

  

   

There is a 650 list?!

 This is a bit too much granularity, in my opinion...

 

 Carlos

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2009/1/27 Gig Giacona <wrgiacona(at)gmail.com (wrgiacona(at)gmail.com)>  

--> Zenith601-List message posted by: "Gig Giacona" <wrgiacona(at)gmail.com (wrgiacona(at)gmail.com)>

 

 While I understand why the lists were split between 601 and 701, I really think the split the 6 series Zeniths. Is a huge mistake. And will especially hurt the 650 builders.

 

 This isn't a social list. It is supposed to be a place to tap into the combined experience of current and past builders. Since there are exactly ZERO builders that have completed a 650 the knowledge there is limited.

 

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Posted: Tue Jan 27, 2009 1:49 pm Post subject: Posting on 650 list for plans builders

I second the motion !

Carlos

CH601-HD, plans

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2009/1/27 Craig Payne <craig(at)craigandjean.com (craig(at)craigandjean.com)>

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Not only is there a 650 list but there is also a 750 list. What adds to the pain is that you now have to search three archives for info germane to the 750: the old "all Zenith" list, the 701/801 list (because the 701 builders experience is very relevant to the 750) and the 750 list. I was thinking of asking Matt if he could make the archive search function work across multiple lists.  

   

-- Craig



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leinad

Joined: 19 Sep 2006
Posts: 283
Location: Central Virginia

Posted: Tue Jan 27, 2009 5:11 pm Post subject: Re: Posting on 650 list for plans builders

Sabrina,

I couldn't say because I've only got the pre-LSA plans, serial No: 5411 dated 2003.  The carry through/spar attachment is 81 degrees from the top (level) longeron on my plans.  The center spar webs are .032, riveted into a box section.  The spar caps are 1 1/2 x 1/4 6061 bar. riveted to the webs.  There are 6 spacers the thickness of the wing spars that space the spar caps apart.  (6) 5/16 bolts hold each wing spar on.  If you want any other details just ask.

Dan



 	  Sabrina wrote: 	
		  For you guys with both 650 and 601XL plans... how do the center spar webs compare?   Identical?  Different?    



I only have LSA plans, for those with pre-LSA 601XL plans mentioned in the LAA article, what is the difference between the old center spar and the post-LSA center spar?

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Posted: Tue Jan 27, 2009 7:18 pm Post subject: Posting on 650 list for plans builders

I only see 2 upright stiffeners, set 70mm apart, 35mm on either side  

of the CL.

The angles have changed from 78/102 to 80/100.

These are the only changes I see between the 601 and 650 plans



Ron

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On Jan 27, 2009, at 9:01 PM, Sabrina wrote:



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 Dan,



 re:  pre-LSA 601XL plans



 Does your center spar have 4 forward spar web stiffeners made of  

 6061-T6 3/4 x 3/4 x .093 angle uprights placed 35 and 288mm from the  

 centerline?   The outboard uprights are the dual stick option.



 Are the center spar web lower inside angles set at 78 and 102  

 degrees? (6-W-4)





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Posted: Tue Jan 27, 2009 7:53 pm Post subject: Posting on 650 list for plans builders

Sorry if this is a duplicate, I'm changing ISP and I don't know if  

either old or new is working for mail.

leinad

Joined: 19 Sep 2006
Posts: 283
Location: Central Virginia

Posted: Wed Jan 28, 2009 5:27 pm Post subject: Re: Posting on 650 list for plans builders

Sabrina,

Yes, all like you describe.  The second set of stiffeners was not on my drawings but I added them when I went with the dual control sticks.

Dan



 	  Sabrina wrote: 	
		  Dan, 



re:  pre-LSA 601XL plans



Does your center spar have 4 forward spar web stiffeners made of 6061-T6 3/4 x 3/4 x .093 angle uprights placed 35 and 288mm from the centerline?   The outboard uprights are the dual stick option. 



Are the center spar web lower inside angles set at 78 and 102 degrees? (6-W-4)

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