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Graeme Toft

Joined: 09 Jan 2006
Posts: 123

Posted: Sun Mar 19, 2006 11:17 pm Post subject: Rib stitching

OK, I know Im be a pest but I have one last question about covering my wings. Is rib stitching overkill for the Kitfox 1V 1200 classic or a sensible precaution ?

Cheers

Graeme

janderson412(at)hotmail.c
Guest

Posted: Sun Mar 19, 2006 11:32 pm Post subject: Rib stitching

Very sensible precaution and fun to do in the end. If you're lucky enough to 

have a wife that likes sewing like I do, make out you can't do it and get 

her to show you. In the end she was doing two ribs to my one so I let her 

go, cost me a few domestic chores but she's (rightfully) now so proud of the 

end result. J.



From:  "Graeme Toft" <msm(at)byterocky.net>

Reply-To:  kitfox-list(at)matronics.com

To:  <kitfox-list(at)matronics.com>

Subject:  Rib stitching

Date:  Mon, 20 Mar 2006 17:16:28 +1000




OK, I know Im be a pest but I have one last question about covering my 

wings. Is rib stitching overkill for the Kitfox 1V 1200 classic or a 

sensible precaution ?

Cheers

Graeme





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Graeme Toft

Joined: 09 Jan 2006
Posts: 123

Posted: Mon Mar 20, 2006 12:30 am Post subject: Rib stitching

Good onya John, a few domestic chores sounds like a good deal to me. I have 

to admit I like the idea of something other than glue holding the fabric on. 

I was surprised how easily I was able to strip the wing. The fabric came 

away using very little force.



Cheers

Graeme Toft

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Lynn Matteson

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 2778
Location: Grass Lake, Michigan

Posted: Mon Mar 20, 2006 4:18 am Post subject: Rib stitching

My manual suggests that it is strongly suggested by both Poly-fiber and 

Skystar (remember them?). I like the look, as I'm old enough to 

remember the older rag and tube planes, and it's fun to get the wax on 

your wing (from the rib lacing). Besides, I figured that by rib-lacing, 

I'd have a little more drag on my wings and that would slow my Jabiru 

2200-powered IV down to where you 912'ers fly. : )   : )



Lynn

Kitfox IV...Jabiru 2200

(flame-proof underwear on)

On Monday, March 20, 2006, at 02:16  AM, Graeme Toft wrote:



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 OK, I know Im be a pest but I have one last question about covering my 

 wings. Is rib stitching overkill for the Kitfox 1V 1200 classic or a 

 sensible precaution ?

 Cheers

 Graeme

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Lynn
Kitfox IV-Jabiru 2200
N369LM

mike
Guest

Posted: Mon Mar 20, 2006 7:43 am Post subject: Re: Rib stitching

When I did mine it was a pain to do the continueous stitch.  I ended up doing the starting stitch and cut off and do the next, got real fast at doing it that way.  All I can say about stiching is, you can do it now, but not later.

aldaniels(at)fmtc.com
Guest

Posted: Mon Mar 20, 2006 7:44 am Post subject: Rib stitching

I have 750 hours on a 5 without rib stitching and no problems, I have 

rib stitched and used big head rivets. If glued correctly to the ribs it 

should be on really well. I used rivets on the last planes I have done 

and like it the best, but rib stitching is fun, provided of course that 

you do not rip the fabric.



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wliles(at)bayou.com
Guest

Posted: Tue Mar 21, 2006 5:28 pm Post subject: Rib stitching

I'd say yes.  Yes it is overkill and not really necessary and yes, it is 

a sensible precaution - belt and suspenders sort of thing.



Jerry Liles



Graeme Toft wrote:



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OK, I know Im be a pest but I have one last question about covering my wings. Is rib stitching overkill for the Kitfox 1V 1200 classic or a sensible precaution ?

Cheers

Graeme

henrysfork1(at)msn.com
Guest

Posted: Tue Mar 21, 2006 5:51 pm Post subject: Rib stitching

I rib stitched and am very glad I did. Of all the things I can worry about when off the ground - the fabric coming lose isn't one of them. Not ever. It was a lot of fun to do, it was educational and looks very traditional.



Dee Young

Model II



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Glenn Horne

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 96

Posted: Tue Mar 21, 2006 6:45 pm Post subject: Rib stitching

Rib stitch. It's easy, and you will be glad you did.

Glenn

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aldaniels(at)fmtc.com
Guest

Posted: Tue Mar 21, 2006 11:08 pm Post subject: Rib stitching

Rib stitching, riveting, and gluing are all good. I have nothing against 

any of them, but just so some don't get overly afraid that their wing 

fabric is going to come off in flight consider the strength of modern 

fabric and glue. I think medium fabric will hold something like 130 

pounds per square inch, were cotton was something like 15. If you use 

proper procedures and follow the manufactures recommendations you WILL 

NOT loose the fabric off the wing no matter what you do. You may rip the 

wing off, but the fabric will still be on it. With 144 sq. inches in a 

sq. foot times 132 sq. feet times 130 pounds per inch equals something 

just short of 2.5 millions pounds on the wing fabric. Yes I know that 

requires even load, full support each inch and all, but the point is 

fabric is darn strong. With proper overlaps and procedures, and the 

fabric held in tension against the wing structure it is not the weak 

point. With no in-flight failures I am not sure what the weak point is 

as no one has found it, except maybe the loose nut holding onto the 

stick. Good attaching to the ribs helps keep fabric in the proper shape 

during lift, but its not coming off.



Dee Young wrote:



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I rib stitched and am very glad I did. Of all the things I can worry about when off the ground - the fabric coming lose isn't one of them. Not ever. It was a lot of fun to do, it was educational and looks very traditional.



Dee Young

Model II



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Graeme Toft

Joined: 09 Jan 2006
Posts: 123

Posted: Wed Mar 22, 2006 2:51 am Post subject: Rib stitching

Is there any type of material that can be substituted safely for aircraft 

type rib stitching. I just priced a role from Polyfiber and have been quoted 

$64 for the thread and $25 for the needle. The role comes in one size with 

sufficient length to rib stitch the worlds entire kitfox fleet. Has anyone 

used anything else succesfully? I know, Im starting to penny pinch but Im 

into my last piggy bank.

Cheers

Graeme ----- 

Original Message ----- 

From: "Alan & Linda Daniels" <aldaniels(at)fmtc.com>

To: <kitfox-list(at)matronics.com>

Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2006 5:04 PM

Subject: Re: Rib stitching

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 Rib stitching, riveting, and gluing are all good. I have nothing against

 any of them, but just so some don't get overly afraid that their wing

 fabric is going to come off in flight consider the strength of modern

 fabric and glue. I think medium fabric will hold something like 130

 pounds per square inch, were cotton was something like 15. If you use

 proper procedures and follow the manufactures recommendations you WILL

 NOT loose the fabric off the wing no matter what you do. You may rip the

 wing off, but the fabric will still be on it. With 144 sq. inches in a

 sq. foot times 132 sq. feet times 130 pounds per inch equals something

 just short of 2.5 millions pounds on the wing fabric. Yes I know that

 requires even load, full support each inch and all, but the point is

 fabric is darn strong. With proper overlaps and procedures, and the

 fabric held in tension against the wing structure it is not the weak

 point. With no in-flight failures I am not sure what the weak point is

 as no one has found it, except maybe the loose nut holding onto the

 stick. Good attaching to the ribs helps keep fabric in the proper shape

 during lift, but its not coming off.

 Dee Young wrote:

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>I rib stitched and am very glad I did. Of all the things I can worry about 

>when off the ground - the fabric coming lose isn't one of them. Not ever. 

>It was a lot of fun to do, it was educational and looks very traditional.

>

>Dee Young

>Model II

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>Do not archive

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henrysfork1(at)msn.com
Guest

Posted: Wed Mar 22, 2006 5:04 am Post subject: Rib stitching

The "loose nut holding onto the stick" used gas welding rod shaped and drilled. It takes about 5 minutes to make one needle. The "loose nut holding the stick" made 3 different sizes which seem to fill the bill. Hope this helps as I too run on a limited budget.



Dee Young

Model II

N345DY



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smokey_bear_40220(at)yaho
Guest

Posted: Wed Mar 22, 2006 11:39 am Post subject: Rib stitching

Add bicycle spokes to your list for needles.  Make

them like Dee says.



Kurt S.



--- Dee Young <henrysfork1(at)msn.com> wrote:



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		   The "loose nut holding onto the stick" used gas

 welding rod shaped and drilled. It takes about 5

 minutes to make one needle. The "loose nut holding

 the stick" made 3 different sizes which seem to fill

 the bill. Hope this helps as I too run on a limited

 budget.

 

 Dee Young

 Model II

 N345DY

lcfitt(at)sbcglobal.net
Guest

Posted: Wed Mar 22, 2006 11:45 am Post subject: Rib stitching

I did this also, but used coat hangar wire.  I found that the needles that 

are made for the job are hardened and   I liked to bend the needle for 

getting around stuff in the wing.  I just sharpend one end and flattened the 

other end and drilled it.



Lowell

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lcfitt(at)sbcglobal.net
Guest

Posted: Wed Mar 22, 2006 12:06 pm Post subject: Rib stitching

Graeme,



Just a thought.  Although expensive, I  have used the riblace cord for 

numerous things besides riblacing.  I have found that it is an excellent 

cord for tieing wire bundles and have used it extensively for that.  Not KF 

related, but it is great for whipping the ends of rope - lines, as Michel 

would probably prefer.  I have found it to pretty handy stuff to have 

around.



Lowell



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roncarolnikko(at)hotmail.
Guest

Posted: Wed Mar 22, 2006 8:45 pm Post subject: Rib stitching

Graeme I did what it sounds like some of the newer foxes are doing. $10.00   

I glued as if no stiches, but then applied 1" tapes over the ribs and used 

stainless steel STANLEY T50 staples found at my hardware store shot through 

a hand operated staple gun.  2" tape over that and it turned out real nice.  

  The staples needed an occasional  extra tap with a light drift to set, but 

caused no damage to the ribs or fabric as the PK screws had done.   PS  

Thought of you as I fllew low over the pacific in my Avid the other day.

  OK flame on guys.         Ron NB Ore N541KF  MK IV Speedster VW  Redrive



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		  From: "Graeme Toft" <msm(at)byterocky.net>

Reply-To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com

To: <kitfox-list(at)matronics.com>

Subject: Re: Rib stitching

Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 20:44:11 +1000






Is there any type of material that can be substituted safely for aircraft

type rib stitching. I just priced a role from Polyfiber and have been 

quoted

$64 for the thread and $25 for the needle. The role comes in one size with

sufficient length to rib stitch the worlds entire kitfox fleet. Has anyone

used anything else succesfully? I know, Im starting to penny pinch but Im

into my last piggy bank.



Cheers

Graeme -----



Original Message -----

From: "Alan & Linda Daniels" <aldaniels(at)fmtc.com>

To: <kitfox-list(at)matronics.com>

Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2006 5:04 PM

Subject: Re: Rib stitching

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 > Rib stitching, riveting, and gluing are all good. I have nothing against

 > any of them, but just so some don't get overly afraid that their wing

 > fabric is going to come off in flight consider the strength of modern

 > fabric and glue. I think medium fabric will hold something like 130

 > pounds per square inch, were cotton was something like 15. If you use

 > proper procedures and follow the manufactures recommendations you WILL

 > NOT loose the fabric off the wing no matter what you do. You may rip the

 > wing off, but the fabric will still be on it. With 144 sq. inches in a

 > sq. foot times 132 sq. feet times 130 pounds per inch equals something

 > just short of 2.5 millions pounds on the wing fabric. Yes I know that

 > requires even load, full support each inch and all, but the point is

 > fabric is darn strong. With proper overlaps and procedures, and the

 > fabric held in tension against the wing structure it is not the weak

 > point. With no in-flight failures I am not sure what the weak point is

 > as no one has found it, except maybe the loose nut holding onto the

 > stick. Good attaching to the ribs helps keep fabric in the proper shape

 > during lift, but its not coming off.

 >

 > Dee Young wrote:

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Graeme Toft

Joined: 09 Jan 2006
Posts: 123

Posted: Wed Mar 22, 2006 9:41 pm Post subject: Rib stitching

Thanks Ron and everyone else for your input on this subject.



Cheers

Graeme



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