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Leon Morris
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Posted: Sun Feb 08, 2009 1:11 pm Post subject: Bill of Sale |
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I know this subject has been discussed at some length before,but I'm just inquiring to find out if there was anyone that had bought their kit during the 1994 time frame if they received a Bill of Sale (AC Form 8050-2) from SkyStar and if you did, was it in the kit(big box) with all the other paperwork or was it mailed separately? The reason I asked was I can't find mine anywhere in my paperwork or old records. Thanks--- Leon Morris/Classic 4 Speedster/65%/Flower Mound,TX
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Tom Jones
Joined: 12 Mar 2006 Posts: 752 Location: Ellensburg, WA
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Posted: Sun Feb 08, 2009 1:44 pm Post subject: Re: Bill of Sale |
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Leon,
I purchased my Kit in Sept. 1994. I remember when I was getting close to registering the finished airplane the FAA was making a big stink about having paper work to track the kit back to the kit manufacturer.
I just looked in my files and found the Bill of sale from Skystar. It is dated Aug, 1999. Sooo, I would say, in 1994 I didn't get the kind of paper work the FAA wanted, so later contacted Skystar to issue me this Bill of sale.
This bill of sale is an FAA form that Skystar filled out. The form number is AC Form (8050-2) (9/92).
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Leon Morris
Joined: 31 Jan 2009 Posts: 10 Location: Flower Mound, Texas
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Posted: Sun Feb 08, 2009 2:14 pm Post subject: Bill of Sale |
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Thanks Tom, I thought that if I had got a bill of sale I would have hung on to it.Guess they didn't send me one either. I purchased mine in Aug 94.--- Leon
---- Tom Jones <nahsikhs(at)elltel.net> wrote:
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Leon,
I purchased my Kit in Sept. 1994. I remember when I was getting close to registering the finished airplane the FAA was making a big stink about having paper work to track the kit back to the kit manufacturer.
I just looked in my files and found the Bill of sale from Skystar. It is dated Aug, 1999. Sooo, I would say, in 1994 I didn't get the kind of paper work the FAA wanted, so later contacted Skystar to issue me this Bill of sale.
This bill of sale is an FAA form that Skystar filled out. The form number is AC Form (8050-2) (9/92).
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Tom Jones
Classic IV
503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp
Ellensburg, WA
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Posted: Sun Feb 08, 2009 2:40 pm Post subject: Re: Bill of Sale |
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Leon Morris wrote: | I know this subject has been discussed at some length before,but I'm just inquiring to find out if there was anyone that had bought their kit during the 1994 time frame if they received a Bill of Sale (AC Form 8050-2) from SkyStar and if you did, was it in the kit(big box) with all the other paperwork or was it mailed separately? The reason I asked was I can't find mine anywhere in my paperwork or old records. Thanks--- Leon Morris/Classic 4 Speedster/65%/Flower Mound,TX |
Did you ever register the plane? If so, you can request the record from the FAA and they should have the bill of sale on file.
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Lynn Matteson
Joined: 10 Jan 2006 Posts: 2778 Location: Grass Lake, Michigan
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Posted: Sun Feb 08, 2009 3:56 pm Post subject: Bill of Sale |
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Hi Leon-
When I registered mine...I was the 4th owner...I got nervous because
there was a misspelling of one of the previous owner's names, and
there was a widow involved, who had signed off her spouse's name,
both of which I could see might cause a lengthy delay in getting the
paperwork through. I had the "paper trail" all the way from the
original sales receipt from Skystar to the last owner. I talked with
EAA and they suggested that I register it as "built from
miscellaneous parts". They told me that this was the same as if the
kit were incomplete, which in truth it was....there was no cowl. So I
called OK City...or whoever...and ran this by them and they said that
was perfectly legit to do it that way, so I did. I got the completed
registration back in 3 weeks, all perfectly legal.
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
Jabiru 2200, #2062, 605 hrs
Sensenich 62x46
Electroair direct-fire ignition system
New skis done and flying
On Feb 8, 2009, at 4:11 PM, <l.morris(at)tx.rr.com> wrote:
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I know this subject has been discussed at some length before,but
I'm just inquiring to find out if there was anyone that had bought
their kit during the 1994 time frame if they received a Bill of
Sale (AC Form 8050-2) from SkyStar and if you did, was it in the kit
(big box) with all the other paperwork or was it mailed separately?
The reason I asked was I can't find mine anywhere in my paperwork
or old records. Thanks--- Leon Morris/Classic 4 Speedster/65%/
Flower Mound,TX
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Posted: Sun Feb 08, 2009 4:06 pm Post subject: Bill of Sale |
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l.morris(at)tx.rr.com wrote:
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I know this subject has been discussed at some length before,but I'm
just inquiring to find out if there was anyone that had bought their
kit during the 1994 time frame if they received a Bill of Sale (AC
Form 8050-2) from SkyStar and if you did, was it in the kit(big box)
with all the other paperwork or was it mailed separately? The reason
I asked was I can't find mine anywhere in my paperwork or old
records. Thanks--- Leon Morris/Classic 4 Speedster/65%/Flower
Mound,TX
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Nope, and you ain't going to get one. I purchased my kit M IV Speedster
in 1992 and have the same problem. I brought it up at the builders
workshop in Dallas last year. The FAA is aware of the problems as is EAA
who suggested the solution.
Send a registered letter to Sky Star requesting the Bill of Sale. Since
the P.O. will not be able to deliver it to them. You have the evidence
that you made the expected effort to obtain the Bill of Sale. EAA says
that this is enough to satisfy the FSDO.
Regards,
Dennis M IV Speedster (not any where close to completion as you)
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Dennis Golden
Golden Consulting Services, Inc.
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Posted: Sun Feb 08, 2009 4:07 pm Post subject: Bill of Sale |
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Lynn C What documents did you have to have to register as "built from misc. parts"? What serial # did you use? I'm beginning to have same problem. I sent a request to reinstate original N #. The insurance co. that paid the cliam did not file a letter to deregister until now at my request. The claim was paid in 2001. The FAA also wants a paper trail of sales from the orig owner. I am the 4th owner and have a bill of sale to me but that's it as far as sale documents.
Pat Reilly
Mod 3 582 Rebuild
Rockford C IL
Quote: | From: lynnmatt(at)jps.net
Subject: Re: Bill of Sale
Date: Sun C 8 Feb 2009 18:55:22 -0500
To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt(at)jps.net>
Hi Leon-
When I registered mine...I was the 4th owner...I got nervous because
there was a misspelling of one of the previous owner's names C and
there was a widow involved C who had signed off her spouse's name C
both of which I could see might cause a lengthy delay in getting the
paperwork through. I had the "paper trail" all the way from the
original sales receipt from Skystar to the last owner. I talked with
EAA and they suggested that I register it as "built from
miscellaneous parts". They told me that this was the same as if the
kit were incomplete C which in truth it was....there was no cowl. So I
called OK City...or whoever...and ran this by them and they said that
was perfectly legit to do it that way C so I did. I got the completed
registration back in 3 weeks C all perfectly legal.
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster C taildragger
Jabiru 2200 C #2062 C 605 hrs
Sensenich 62x46
Electroair direct-fire ignition system
New skis done and flying
On Feb 8 C 2009 C at 4:11 PM C <l.morris(at)tx.rr.com> wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: <l.morris(at)tx.rr.com>
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> I know this subject has been discussed at some length before Cbut
> I'm just inquiring to find out if there was anyone that had bought
> their kit during the 1994 time frame if they received a Bill of
> Sale (AC Form 8050-2) from SkyStar and if you did C was it in the kit
> (big box) with all the other paperwork or was it mailed separately?
> The reason I asked was I can't find mine anywhere in my paperwork
> or old records. Thanks--- Leon Morris/Classic 4 Speedster/65%/
> Flower Mound CTX
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Michael Logan
Joined: 10 Jan 2006 Posts: 82
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Posted: Sun Feb 08, 2009 5:24 pm Post subject: Bill of Sale |
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I bought mine in 94 and it did not come with a bill of sale. I had to
contact the company when I completed the plane in order to get it inspected
and registered.
Mike
Series 5 NSI
N956ML
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darinh
Joined: 20 Apr 2006 Posts: 327 Location: Utah
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Posted: Sun Feb 08, 2009 8:58 pm Post subject: Re: Bill of Sale |
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My kit is a 2002 and I registered it this last July without a bill of sale from Skystar. Go to the new kitfox website and download and print the explanation of the demise of Skystar and send that in with your paperwork to the FAA with a letter from yourself again explaining when you bought the kit and the fact that Skystar didn't issue a bill of sale with the kit but you actually had to request one...since they are out of business this is impossible. John's explanation in the letter from Kitfox Aircraft does a great job and they have seen this at least once (my case) and probably several other times. Here is the link to the letter and alternate bill of sale. They didn't even question me using this.
http://www.kitfoxaircraft.com/Bill%20of%20Sale.htm
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Lynn Matteson
Joined: 10 Jan 2006 Posts: 2778 Location: Grass Lake, Michigan
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Posted: Mon Feb 09, 2009 3:46 am Post subject: Bill of Sale |
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I used the serial number that is stamped on the metal plate on the
plane. I filled out the proper form...can't recall what form that was
right now, but it is part of the "package" that the FSDO sent me when
I requested a "registration package." You might ask the EAA about
the "misc. parts" or "incomplete kit" method, or simply ask the
FAA...it certainly worked for me. After all, there are people who
build from scratch, and they have been able to register their aircraft.
Now that I'm thinking about it, it seems like "incomplete kit" is
sticking in my brain for some reason. Part of my thinking about the
miscellaneous parts thing is, if some of your kit is missing, you
have an incomplete kit, therefore your plane is not a "kitbuilt"
plane, it is built from miscellaneous parts.
Incidentally, in looking for copies of the paperwork that I sent
in...and could not find, because I probably never made any...I found
the pink copy of the "AC Form 8050-1" (Aircraft Registration
Application) and printed boldly across the whole thing is the
message: "OPERATIONS OUTSIDE OF THE UNITED STATES ARE PROHIBITED BY
LAW".....for what it's worth.
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
Jabiru 2200, #2062, 605 hrs
Sensenich 62x46
Electroair direct-fire ignition system
New skis done and flying
On Feb 8, 2009, at 7:06 PM, patrick reilly wrote:
Quote: | Lynn, What documents did you have to have to register as "built
from misc. parts"? What serial # did you use? I'm beginning to have
same problem. I sent a request to reinstate original N #. The
insurance co. that paid the cliam did not file a letter to
deregister until now at my request. The claim was paid in 2001. The
FAA also wants a paper trail of sales from the orig owner. I am the
4th owner and have a bill of sale to me but that's it as far as
sale documents.
Pat Reilly
Mod 3 582 Rebuild
Rockford, IL
> From: lynnmatt(at)jps.net
> Subject: Re: Bill of Sale
> Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2009 18:55:22 -0500
> To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com
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> Hi Leon-
> When I registered mine...I was the 4th owner...I got nervous because
> there was a misspelling of one of the previous owner's names, and
> there was a widow involved, who had signed off her spouse's name,
> both of which I could see might cause a lengthy delay in getting the
> paperwork through. I had the "paper trail" all the way from the
> original sales receipt from Skystar to the last owner. I talked with
> EAA and they suggested that I register it as "built from
> miscellaneous parts". They told me that this was the same as if the
> kit were incomplete, which in truth it was....there was no cowl.
So I
> called OK City...or whoever...and ran this by them and they said
that
> was perfectly legit to do it that way, so I did. I got the completed
> registration back in 3 weeks, all perfectly legal.
>
> Lynn Matteson
> Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
> Jabiru 2200, #2062, 605 hrs
> Sensenich 62x46
> Electroair direct-fire ignition system
> New skis done and flying
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> On Feb 8, 2009, at 4:11 PM, <l.morris(at)tx.rr.com> wrote:
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> >
> > I know this subject has been discussed at some length before,but
> > I'm just inquiring to find out if there was anyone that had bought
> > their kit during the 1994 time frame if they received a Bill of
> > Sale (AC Form 8050-2) from SkyStar and if you did, was it in
the kit
> > (big box) with all the other paperwork or was it mailed
separately?
> > The reason I asked was I can't find mine anywhere in my paperwork
> > or old records. Thanks--- Leon Morris/Classic 4 Speedster/65%/
> > Flower Mound,TX
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Lynn Matteson
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Posted: Mon Feb 09, 2009 3:51 am Post subject: Bill of Sale |
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Another part of my "paper trail" was a receipt from Skystar Aircraft
Corp. dated Sept 20, 2002, for a kit sold Jan 31, 1994. This was
another reason for me to think this paper trail is so convoluted with
receipts dated 8 years down the road, and widows, executors, lawyers,
etc, that I went the "miscellaneous parts" route.
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
Jabiru 2200, #2062, 605 hrs
Sensenich 62x46
Electroair direct-fire ignition system
New skis done and flying
On Feb 8, 2009, at 8:23 PM, Michael Logan wrote:
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<michael.logan(at)cox.net>
I bought mine in 94 and it did not come with a bill of sale. I had to
contact the company when I completed the plane in order to get it
inspected
and registered.
Mike
Series 5 NSI
N956ML
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Leon Morris
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Posted: Mon Feb 09, 2009 11:56 am Post subject: Bill of Sale |
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All of your ideas and thoughts sound good and legit and I guess it's down to which way do you want to persue it. I could probably go downtown Dallas and get the guy on the street corner selling passports to give me a bill of sale. Will probably try Darin's idea first. Leon Morris/Classic 4 Speedster/65%/Flower Mound,TX
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My kit is a 2002 and I registered it this last July without a bill of sale from Skystar. Go to the new kitfox website and download and print the explanation of the demise of Skystar and send that in with your paperwork to the FAA with a letter from yourself again explaining when you bought the kit and the fact that Skystar didn't issue a bill of sale with the kit but you actually had to request one...since they are out of business this is impossible. John's explanation in the letter from Kitfox Aircraft does a great job and they have seen this at least once (my case) and probably several other times. They did not even question mine.
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Series 7
914 Turbo
Kaysville, Utah
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