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keystone(at)gci.net
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Posted: Sun Feb 08, 2009 3:20 pm Post subject: Wing Strut Fairing on 801

Hi



I did see a small increase in speed when I installed the strut fairings.

The problem I have is when I get the plane stuck and try to push it forward

the trailing edge cuts into your hand.  If I did not have so many other

projects I would probably remove the wing strut fairings.



Bill Wilcox

N801BW

400 hrs

Valdez, AK

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lgold(at)quantum-associat
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Posted: Sun Feb 08, 2009 4:18 pm Post subject: Wing Strut Fairing on 801

Guess our experiences are very different Bill.

I got a lot more than an just an insignificant increased speed from the

fairings. Also, pushing the plane is no problem with fairings built from

.025 6061 aluminum bent tight around the struts in a teardrop shape and held

with solid rivets. Did you use thinner material? Consider adding a small

streamlined handle grip on one lower longeron about a foot forward of the

stab to push from.

Les     



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jgswartout(at)gmail.com
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Posted: Sun Feb 08, 2009 5:54 pm Post subject: Wing Strut Fairing on 801

Bill,,  instead of pushing/pulling on the struts, could you use a short rope on the tie-down rings to horse a stuck airplane out of the muck?

  

 Also, spreading this thread, has anybody used the plastic strut fairings made in North Port, Florida and sold at http://www.ultralightnews.com/sunfun2000/streamlinedstruts.htm ?

   

 John

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Hi



I did see a small increase in speed when I installed the strut fairings.

The problem I have is when I get the plane stuck and try to push it forward

the trailing edge cuts into your hand.  If I did not have so many other

 projects I would probably remove the wing strut fairings.



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keystone(at)gci.net
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Posted: Sun Feb 08, 2009 6:58 pm Post subject: Wing Strut Fairing on 801

Les



I used the factory fairings.  The rear comes to a sharp point.  It seems I'm

either trying to get the plane out of the hanger up onto the snow and ice

outside.  It normally is slippery in front of the plane.  I normally am

pushing from the concrete floor inside.  You end up not only pushing but

also lifting.  The other place is out on a beach and I am stuck in the soft

sand.  The closer to the center line you push the less turning tendency you

have to overcome.  I probably should just cut the fairing off the lower

couple of feet of the rear strut.  



I suspect I fly my 801 differently than most. I would not call myself a bush

pilot but I normally try to log over half my landings off airport.  One of

the things I do is layout the strip and provide traffic control for on the

beach for the May Day Fly in.   



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FWS_buG3eSK

The handle in front of stabilizer would probably work, although I'm not sure

the lower longeron would be strong enough or if I could get enough leverage.

I know I use to bend the tubes in my PA-22/20 when I was pushing the placer

around with the big Atlee Dodge handles I installed.  You could get both

hands in the big ones.  I suspect the tubes in the pacer were stronger than

the longerons in the 801.  



It would be easer on the hands than hanging off the rear of the empennage to

turn the plane as I do now.  I'm not sure what will happen if I loose a few

more pounds.  I don't know if anyone else turns their plane this way.  I

have a nose steering device in the hanger but out in the field I normally

hang from the back to lift the nose to spin the plane around.     

Bill Wilcox

N801BW

400 hrs

Valdez, AK

  



Guess our experiences are very different Bill.

I got a lot more than an just an insignificant increased speed from the

fairings. Also, pushing the plane is no problem with fairings built from

.025 6061 aluminum bent tight around the struts in a teardrop shape and held

with solid rivets. Did you use thinner material? Consider adding a small

streamlined handle grip on one lower longeron about a foot forward of the

stab to push from.

Les



Hi



I did see a small increase in speed when I installed the strut fairings.

The problem I have is when I get the plane stuck and try to push it forward

the trailing edge cuts into your hand. If I did not have so many other

projects I would probably remove the wing strut fairings.



Bill Wilcox

N801BW

400 hrs

Valdez, AK

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n801bh(at)netzero.com
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Posted: Sun Feb 08, 2009 8:23 pm Post subject: Wing Strut Fairing on 801

I was going to use those on my 801,,, I emailed them twice and got no response each time... Anyone else had any luck contacting them ? 

do not archive

Ben Haas

N801BH

www.haaspowerair.com



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 Bill,,  instead of pushing/pulling on the struts, could you use a short rope on the tie-down rings to horse a stuck airplane out of the muck?

  

 Also, spreading this thread, has anybody used the plastic strut fairings made in North Port, Florida and sold at http://www.ultralightnews.com/sunfun2000/streamlinedstruts.htm ?

  

 John

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Hi



I did see a small increase in speed when I installed the strut fairings.

The problem I have is when I get the plane stuck and try to push it forward

the trailing edge cuts into your hand.  If I did not have so many other

projects I would probably remove the wing strut fairings.



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kenryan(at)alaska.net
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Posted: Sun Feb 08, 2009 8:37 pm Post subject: Wing Strut Fairing on 801

This may be a silly suggestion, but what about a pair of leather work gloves?



On Sun, Feb 8, 2009 at 5:57 PM, Keystone Engineering LLC <keystone(at)gci.net (keystone(at)gci.net)> wrote:

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 Les

 

 I used the factory fairings.  The rear comes to a sharp point.  It seems I'm

 either trying to get the plane out of the hanger up onto the snow and ice

 outside.  It normally is slippery in front of the plane.  I normally am

 pushing from the concrete floor inside.  You end up not only pushing but

 also lifting.  The other place is out on a beach and I am stuck in the soft

 sand.  The closer to the center line you push the less turning tendency you

 have to overcome.  I probably should just cut the fairing off the lower

 couple of feet of the rear strut.

 

 I suspect I fly my 801 differently than most. I would not call myself a bush

 pilot but I normally try to log over half my landings off airport.  One of

 the things I do is layout the strip and provide traffic control for on the

 beach for the May Day Fly in.

 

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FWS_buG3eSK

 

 

 The handle in front of stabilizer would probably work, although I'm not sure

 the lower longeron would be strong enough or if I could get enough leverage.

 I know I use to bend the tubes in my PA-22/20 when I was pushing the placer

 around with the big Atlee Dodge handles I installed.  You could get both

 hands in the big ones.  I suspect the tubes in the pacer were stronger than

 the longerons in the 801.

 

 It would be easer on the hands than hanging off the rear of the empennage to

 turn the plane as I do now.  I'm not sure what will happen if I loose a few

 more pounds.  I don't know if anyone else turns their plane this way.  I

 have a nose steering device in the hanger but out in the field I normally

 hang from the back to lift the nose to spin the plane around.

 

 

 Bill Wilcox

 N801BW

 400 hrs

 Valdez, AK

 

 

 Guess our experiences are very different Bill.

 I got a lot more than an just an insignificant increased speed from the

 fairings. Also, pushing the plane is no problem with fairings built from

 .025 6061 aluminum bent tight around the struts in a teardrop shape and held

 with solid rivets. Did you use thinner material? Consider adding a small

 streamlined handle grip on one lower longeron about a foot forward of the

 stab to push from.

 Les

 

 Hi

 

 I did see a small increase in speed when I installed the strut fairings.

 The problem I have is when I get the plane stuck and try to push it forward

 the trailing edge cuts into your hand. If I did not have so many other

 projects I would probably remove the wing strut fairings.

 

 Bill Wilcox

 N801BW

 400 hrs

 Valdez, AK

 

 

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Posted: Sun Feb 08, 2009 8:44 pm Post subject: Wing Strut Fairing on 801

I seem to remember Lockwood in Florida selling the same stuff.



Doug MacDonald

CH-701 Scratch Builder

NW Ontario, Canada



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		   I was going to use those on my 801,,, I emailed them twice

 and got no response each time... Anyone else had any luck

 contacting them ?

 do not archive

 

 

 Ben Haas

 N801BH

 www.haaspowerair.com

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keystone(at)gci.net
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Posted: Mon Feb 09, 2009 8:33 am Post subject: Wing Strut Fairing on 801

Ken



The light sheet metal bends when you push hard on it from the back.  



Bill

N801BW

Valdez

This may be a silly suggestion, but what about a pair of leather work

gloves?



Ken

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lgold(at)quantum-associat
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Posted: Tue Feb 10, 2009 2:01 pm Post subject: Wing Strut Fairing on 801

Bill,

The reason I suggested a handle on the lower longeron is that we have two

701s in our airport, including mine, that has one. They were very easy to

put on (screws replaced two rivets). The longeron is on a 701 is strong

enough to take the stress, but I don't know if it would work on an 801. 

Les



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