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cdewey6969(at)yahoo.com
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Posted: Fri Feb 06, 2009 7:25 pm Post subject: Can a Lightning handle this runway? Need opinions please...

Video of approach at St Barth, French West Indies:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k0Dft5X5Q-Y



 Charles



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 Date: Friday, February 6, 2009, 4:36 PM

 I'll bring my appetite too and perhaps my Lightning!!!

 

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pennington(at)q.com
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Posted: Sat Feb 07, 2009 4:33 am Post subject: Can a Lightning handle this runway? Need opinions please...

<?xml:namespace prefix="v" /><?xml:namespace prefix="o" /><![endif]-->  Charles

  

 Wow! "Ground Shy" pilots might want to avoid St. Barts. However,  I love the Caribbean and watching the video makes me want to go back.

  

 Gary Pennington

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N1BZRich(at)AOL.COM
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Posted: Sat Feb 07, 2009 4:42 am Post subject: Can a Lightning handle this runway? Need opinions please...

In a message dated 2/6/2009 10:25:40 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  cdewey6969(at)yahoo.com writes:

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		  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k0Dft5X5Q-Y

	


 

  

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N1BZRich(at)AOL.COM
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Posted: Sat Feb 07, 2009 4:54 am Post subject: Can a Lightning handle this runway? Need opinions please...

In a message dated 2/6/2009 10:25:40 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  cdewey6969(at)yahoo.com writes:

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		  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k0Dft5X5Q-Y

	


 

 Hi Charles,

     Hope all is going well with your "jet".   Haven't heard from you for a while.  How about sending some photos and give  me an update on how the flying is going for the newsletter.  

     Now to your question.  The video indicates  that this runway (10) has 1650' usable which is sufficient for a  Lightning.  However, it very well may not be sufficient for the  pilot.  So the answer to your question is "it depends".  Remember the  performance of any airplane depends on the "teams" capability, and that team is  both the airplane and the pilot.  But there should be  other pieces of information in your decision process when ever you are deciding  on going to a specific airport - not just airport length.  Obviously the  forecast winds and weather at the expected arrival time is a big  consideration. What happens if you get there and find a 25 knot cross wind  - that runway is pretty narrow.  And for an airport like this one, which  might tax some pilots, another important question is how far away is another  runway - an alternate in case you need to go somewhere else for what ever  reason.  For example, you are headed for this airport and just as you get  there the airplane in the pattern ahead of you "dings" and closes the  runway.  What are your options then?  Do you have the fuel to make it  there with the current winds?  Those are the things that I would want to  know before I headed there.  So you see, the real answer to your question  is - it depends.

 Blue Skies,

 Buz

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Kayberg(at)AOL.COM
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Posted: Sat Feb 07, 2009 5:37 am Post subject: Can a Lightning handle this runway? Need opinions please...

I agree with  Buz, but would add a couple considerations.

  

 My understanding of winds in the Caribbean is that it depends greatly on  the time of day for both direction and velocity.   I dont think  the runway is too short, but gusty crosswinds could be  a problem.  It would be important to flight plan for optimum  winds.  Some islands experience a 180 degree wind shift between night  and morning.  I would rather land on 28 than 10  if I  could.   Coming over water would mean less turbulence.

  

 The next issue is with the pilot.  It would take  some practice and precision flying to nail approaches and touchdowns   in the potential conditions.    As we all know, speed control is  important for both long and short wings.   It might make sense to add  the new wing tips....to lower your speeds on landing.   If you did all  your flying off wide, long concrete runways, you can develop some bad  habits.   After flying he grass and hill at Green Landings, everything  looks better, including this  runway!!

  

 The airplane in the video exaggerated both the approach and touchdown  run...in my opinion.  I thought it was a lower approach than necessary as  well as a longer ground run than necessary.  It looked to me like using  braking he  would have made the turnoff in the middle of the runway.    Reminds me of landing at Midway in Chicago on Southwest. I was there as in  kid in 1958.  The runways were a little short then, they are not  longer now!!  Always fun to point out the end of the runway to other  passengers as we made the turn onto the taxiway.   

  

 Finally, there is a difference between what you CAN do and what you WANT to  do on a regular basis.   We CAN fly and land in rough  conditions.   Age seems to make me WANT to less.

  

 Doug Koenigsberg

  

  

 In a message dated 2/7/2009 7:55:02 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,  N1BZRich(at)AOL.COM writes:

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		         	  Quote: 	
		  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k0Dft5X5Q-Y

	


   

   Hi Charles,

       Hope all is going well with your "jet".     Haven't heard from you for a while.  How about sending some photos and    give me an update on how the flying is going for the newsletter.  

       Now to your question.  The video indicates    that this runway (10) has 1650' usable which is sufficient for a    Lightning.  However, it very well may not be sufficient for the    pilot.  So the answer to your question is "it depends".  Remember    the performance of any airplane depends on the "teams" capability, and that    team is both the airplane and the pilot.  But there    should be other pieces of information in your decision process when ever you    are deciding on going to a specific airport - not just airport length.     Obviously the forecast winds and weather at the expected arrival time is a big    consideration. What happens if you get there and find a 25 knot cross    wind - that runway is pretty narrow.  And for an airport like this one,    which might tax some pilots, another important question is how far away is    another runway - an alternate in case you need to go somewhere else for what    ever reason.  For example, you are headed for this airport and just as    you get there the airplane in the pattern ahead of you "dings" and closes the    runway.  What are your options then?  Do you have the fuel to make    it there with the current winds?  Those are the things that I would want    to know before I headed there.  So you see, the real answer to your    question is - it depends.

   Blue Skies,

   Buz



      	


 

  

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EAFerguson(at)AOL.COM
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Posted: Sat Feb 07, 2009 10:31 am Post subject: Can a Lightning handle this runway? Need opinions please...

In a message dated 2/6/2009 10:25:40 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  cdewey6969(at)yahoo.com writes:

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		  -->    Lightning-List message posted by: Charles Dewey    <cdewey6969(at)yahoo.com>

Video of approach at St Barth, French    West    Indies:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k0Dft5X5Q-Y



Charles

	


 

 Interesting, but possible with full flaps and good speed control. You have  to get a special endorsement for this airport . One hour ground, two hours dual  and :30 solo with a min of 12 landings. This can be done at Guadaloupe, which  isn't a bad place to visit. BTW, that's a topless beach at the end of the runway  at St. Barts - just in case you overrun. 

  

 The one I'd like to try is Saba about 20 miles away.  Only 1312' x 66'  with sheer drops to the water on both ends. Do we qualify for STOL? I've  overflown it several times and would really like to visit. Anybody interested in  a Caribbean grand tour?

  

 Earl

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info(at)flylightning.net
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Posted: Mon Feb 09, 2009 6:37 am Post subject: Can a Lightning handle this runway? Need opinions please...

Don’t see why not.



nick



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Posted: Mon Feb 09, 2009 7:04 am Post subject: Re: Can a Lightning handle this runway? Need opinions please

If you dig just a bit deeper from the YouTube video you can see the same landing done by a 737! IT just happens to be in  Flight Sim though.

BTW has any modeled the Lightning For Flight Sim X?



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cdewey6969(at)yahoo.com
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Posted: Mon Feb 09, 2009 2:15 pm Post subject: Can a Lightning handle this runway? Need opinions please...

Earl, Count me in on an organized Caribbean tour. I'd like to see if Buz can pass the test to land on St. Barts. Charles

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 Subject: Re: Can a Lightning handle this runway? Need opinions please...

 To: lightning-list(at)matronics.com

 Date: Saturday, February 7, 2009, 1:30 PM

 In a message dated 2/6/2009 10:25:40 P.M. Eastern Standard

 Time,  

 cdewey6969(at)yahoo.com writes:

 <cdewey6969(at)yahoo.com>

 Video of approach at St Barth, French  West  Indies:

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k0Dft5X5Q-Y

 Charles

 Interesting, but possible with full flaps and good speed

 control. You have  

 to get a special endorsement for this airport . One hour

 ground, two hours dual 

  and :30 solo with a min of 12 landings. This can be done

 at Guadaloupe, 

 which  isn't a bad place to visit. BTW, that's a

 topless beach at the end of the 

 runway  at St. Barts - just in case you overrun. 

 The one I'd like to try is Saba about 20 miles away. 

 Only 1312' x 66'  with 

 sheer drops to the water on both ends. Do we qualify for

 STOL? I've  overflown 

 it several times and would really like to visit. Anybody

 interested in  a 

 Caribbean grand tour?

 Earl

 **************Who's never won?  Biggest Grammy Award

 surprises of all time on 

 AOL Music. 

 (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?ncid=emlcntusmusi00000003)

N1BZRich(at)aol.com
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Posted: Mon Feb 09, 2009 6:43 pm Post subject: Can a Lightning handle this runway? Need opinions please...

In a message dated 2/9/2009 5:15:42 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  cdewey6969(at)yahoo.com writes:

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		  I'd like    to see if Buz can pass the test to land on St. Barts. 	


 

 Charles is probably right to question my abilities, especially since he  probably knows I would have trouble keeping my eyes from looking at that topless  beach just off the end.  But I certainly think it is a great idea for Earl  to lead a guided tour.  Earl, are you thinking about after Sun-N-Fun or  what time frame?  

 Buz

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