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woxofswa

Joined: 12 Aug 2008
Posts: 349
Location: AZ

Posted: Sat Feb 14, 2009 2:24 pm Post subject: VA-186 Oil cooler box

I am in the midst of the fuselage kit, and just installed the Matco parking brake valve.  While I was riveting the PB bracket to the firewall, I started thinking about the oil cooler box.



It seems to me that now would be a good time to rivet the oil cooler box to the firewall with much better access and the ability to insulate that part of the firewall.

The plans show the box being installed much later even after the engine mount is installed.



I am thinking of ordering the oil cooler box assembly now and installing it rather than waiting for the firewall forward kit when it will be much harder to buck those rivets with the upper fuselage on and the rudder pedals installed.



Is there some reason you guys can think of that I should wait?  If installing the box later, is there a possibility of using pulled rivets to install the box?



Thanks in advance.

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Posted: Sat Feb 14, 2009 2:41 pm Post subject: VA-186 Oil cooler box

Myron,

I did exactly what you are thinking of doing, and would do it again that 

way.  No problem installing mount and engine etc. later.

Regards,

Dave Lammers



woxofswa wrote:



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I am in the midst of the fuselage kit, and just installed the Matco parking brake valve.  While I was riveting the PB bracket to the firewall, I started thinking about the oil cooler box.



It seems to me that now would be a good time to rivet the oil cooler box to the firewall with much better access and the ability to insulate that part of the firewall.

The plans show the box being installed much later even after the engine mount is installed.



I am thinking of ordering the oil cooler box assembly now and installing it rather than waiting for the firewall forward kit when it will be much harder to buck those rivets with the upper fuselage on and the rudder pedals installed.



Is there some reason you guys can think of that I should wait?  If installing the box later, is there a possibility of using pulled rivets to install the box?



Thanks in advance.



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Myron Nelson

Mesa, AZ

Emp completed, legacy build fuse in progress





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Posted: Sat Feb 14, 2009 6:09 pm Post subject: VA-186 Oil cooler box

I did the same thing, just received the oil cooler box yesterday and plan on

installing it now so I can begin installing the parking brake and firewall

insulation.  



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AirMike

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Posted: Sun Feb 15, 2009 8:45 am Post subject: VA-186 Oil cooler box

good idea........ Actually the plans to say to put it on before the motor mount, but any time is a good time. I did wind up using some pull rivets on the assembly.



I also notice that you are in AZ.



It may not be a bad idea to buy Alex DeDominicis' enhanced oil cooler that claims 20% more capacity than the std Van's oil cooler. With the credit you get from Van's on the std cooler, you net cost is about $120.

Not a bad investment in a $35-40K engine operating in a hot climate.

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cjay

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Posted: Sun Feb 15, 2009 1:03 pm Post subject: Re: VA-186 Oil cooler box

 	  AirMike wrote: 	
		  good idea........ Actually the plans to say to put it on before the motor mount, but any time is a good time. I did wind up using some pull rivets on the assembly.



I also notice that you are in AZ.



It may not be a bad idea to buy Alex DeDominicis' enhanced oil cooler that claims 20% more capacity than the std Van's oil cooler. With the credit you get from Van's on the std cooler, you net cost is about $120.

Not a bad investment in a $35-40K engine operating in a hot climate. 	




Someone recommended this breather/separator



http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/eppages/hboilbreather.php



Anyone know what benefit this actually has and if they recommend it?



cjay

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Posted: Sun Feb 15, 2009 1:37 pm Post subject: VA-186 Oil cooler box

cjay wrote:

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 AirMike wrote:

   

> good idea........ Actually the plans to say to put it on before the motor mount, but any time is a good time. I did wind up using some pull rivets on the assembly.

>

> I also notice that you are in AZ.

>

> It may not be a bad idea to buy Alex DeDominicis' enhanced oil cooler that claims 20% more capacity than the std Van's oil cooler. With the credit you get from Van's on the std cooler, you net cost is about $120.

> Not a bad investment in a $35-40K engine operating in a hot climate.

>     

 Someone recommended this breather/separator



 http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/eppages/hboilbreather.php



 Anyone know what benefit this actually has

Yes.  It covers up the results of a tired engine so you don't care.
	


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		    and if they recommend it?

   

Absolutely not!  Especially if you route the 'separated' back to the 
	


engine for 'reuse'.  That's some nasty stuff.

INMHO, if you're getting that much blow-by you should be entertaining 

the top overhaul route and washing the belly more often.

Linn

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woxofswa

Joined: 12 Aug 2008
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Posted: Sun Feb 15, 2009 2:27 pm Post subject: Re: VA-186 Oil cooler box

Thanks for the info guys.  It is good to know that I am not alone in my thoughts.  Without the plans for the finish kit or FWF kit, I had visions of an oopsie by installing the box early, but now I will be ordering the box kit tomorrow.

One other question I had concerned treatment of the box itself.  Would painting or powdercoating of the box be appropriate or are most just installing FWF stuff as bare aluminum?



The idea of the improved oil cooler is interesting.  I imagine that it mates to the standard support box.

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Posted: Sun Feb 15, 2009 2:34 pm Post subject: VA-186 Oil cooler box

I have this ok my RV-4 and see no benefit from it.  I still have an  

oily belly...  Your mileage may very....



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On Feb 15, 2009, at 4:03 PM, "cjay" <cgfinney(at)yahoo.com> wrote:



 	  Quote: 	
		   

 AirMike wrote:

> good idea........ Actually the plans to say to put it on before the  

> motor mount, but any time is a good time. I did wind up using some  

> pull rivets on the assembly.

>

> I also notice that you are in AZ.

>

> It may not be a bad idea to buy Alex DeDominicis' enhanced oil  

> cooler that claims 20% more capacity than the std Van's oil cooler.  

> With the credit you get from Van's on the std cooler, you net cost  

> is about $120.

> Not a bad investment in a $35-40K engine operating in a hot climate.

 Someone recommended this breather/separator



 http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/eppages/hboilbreather.php



 Anyone know what benefit this actually has and if they recommend it?



 cjay





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AirMike

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Posted: Mon Feb 16, 2009 1:42 pm Post subject: VA-186 Oil cooler box

Alex DeDominicis' enhanced oil cooler mates exactly as the Vans



same screws, etc

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