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Dana

Joined: 13 Dec 2007
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Location: Connecticut, USA

Posted: Thu Mar 26, 2009 8:42 am Post subject: Do you have to have a current chart and AFD for X country

At 08:18 AM 3/26/2009, pj.ladd wrote:

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 in the UK it is illegal to fly without an up to date chart.  Most people fly with one, not necessarily THAT up to date but i have never heard of anyone being checked. 	


 To the best of my knowledge there is no US regulation requiring a chart to be carried.



 Instead we simply have this:

   § 91.103   Preflight action.



  Each pilot in command shall, before beginning a flight, become familiar with all available information concerning that flight. This information must include—



  (a) For a flight under IFR or a flight not in the vicinity of an airport, weather reports and forecasts, fuel requirements, alternatives available if the planned flight cannot be completed, and any known traffic delays of which the pilot in command has been advised by ATC;



  (b) For any flight, runway lengths at airports of intended use, and the following takeoff and landing distance information:



  (1) For civil aircraft for which an approved Airplane or Rotorcraft Flight Manual containing takeoff and landing distance data is required, the takeoff and landing distance data contained therein; and



  (2) For civil aircraft other than those specified in paragraph (b)(1) of this section, other reliable information appropriate to the aircraft, relating to aircraft performance under expected values of airport elevation and runway slope, aircraft gross weight, and wind and temperature.



  -Dana

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John Hauck

Joined: 09 Jan 2006
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Posted: Thu Mar 26, 2009 8:57 am Post subject: Do you have to have a current chart and AFD for X country

I tried to find the reg, but alas, I failed.   Maybe some of the more informed pilots on the Kolb List can pull up this  info.

  

 John W was the one who told me about sectionals and  GPS's.

  

 He said if your sectional was current, the Jeppesen  Data Base in your GPS did not have to be current.

  

 If your GPS was current, you were not required to  have a current sectional.

  

 However, don't get ramp checked with only an  expired sectional or only an expired Jeppesen Data Base in your GPS, or  both.

  

 John W was an excellent source of flying  info.  He should have been.  He lived and worked with it right out of  high school, as an Army Aviator, for nearly 40 years to the day he died.  I  have no reason to disagree with his info.

  

 john h

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		      To the best of my knowledge there is no US    regulation requiring a chart to be carried.



 



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Posted: Thu Mar 26, 2009 9:08 am Post subject: Do you have to have a current chart and AFD for X country

Dana

  

 It would be nice if part 91.103 said up to  date chart. What is says is that you need "all available information" which  means no matter what all information you may have gathered you are likely to  have missed something they could cite you for missing.

  

 I have said this before but If you are a EAA member  there is a free flight planning service that is really worth doing. If your  not a member it may still be well worth using it. You get the latest charts  in knee board format and notams for your route of flight. This is especially  useful if you don't have time to order the latest charts before a flight. It can  also be found at areoplanner.com

  

 Rick Neilsen

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lucien

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Posted: Thu Mar 26, 2009 9:20 am Post subject: Re: Do you have to have a current chart and AFD for X cou

Hmm... It sounds to me like Dana is right. There's no specific reg that says you must carry charts (except for 91.503, but that applies only to big iron jets and such). There's just the requirement that you get "all available information".



Looks like this can be a De Facto requirement that you have a chart, i.e. you can get busted under 91.103 if there's a violation and they want to pin you with that. But that appears to be it.



I'll be darned... I could have sworn it was a hard/fast requirement..... 



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Posted: Thu Mar 26, 2009 10:09 am Post subject: Do you have to have a current chart and AFD for X country

Instead we simply have this:

§  91.103   Preflight action..

  

 Hi Dana.  Thats enough to be going on  with.  I am sure that we have something similar but the way it actually  works is kick the tyres (or tires) and pull the string.

  

 Cheers

  

 Pat

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Thom Riddle

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Location: Buffalo, NY, USA (9G0)

Posted: Fri Mar 27, 2009 4:37 am Post subject: Re: Do you have to have a current chart and AFD for X cou

Some instructors erroneously teach (preach) that you must have current sectionals and current AFD in the airplane but it just isn't true.



Dana's quotation from the FARs is correct, of course. However, having a current sectional may or may not satisfy that requirement nor an inspector, because the sectional may not contain all the pertinent information needed for a particular flight. It does not contain NOTAMS for your intended destination or alternates, for example. 



I've been ramp checked only once, enroute to southern California from Buffalo in Hays, KS after a night IFR flight. All the FAA inspector wanted to see were the AR(r)OW documents. He was pleasant and easily satisfied. Your experience may vary.



 We keep a current local sectional in our airplane and rarely cross its borders. About once a year we update our GPS, sometimes more often.

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