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Kelly McMullen

Joined: 16 Apr 2008
Posts: 1188
Location: Sun Lakes AZ

Posted: Fri Mar 27, 2009 4:17 am Post subject: Fuel & Oil line torque values - help ???

Aviation 37 degree flare fittings should need no sealant.



On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 10:05 PM, AirMike <Mikeabel(at)pacbell.net> wrote:

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 I was told to use a high temp permatex thread sealer on the fuel and oil lines (VA190, VA135 etc) to the oil cooler and fuel pressure monitor hoses.

 What are the torque values on these aeroquip hoses (fuel & oil)????



 Also - Alert note......................I got my FWF kit in the summer of '07. My VA190 hose was of the wrong diameter. I would suggest that people who got their FWF kits about then check the hose to make sure that it was right. I sent back the defective hose and Gus very kindly sent me the proper one. The VA190 takes a 7/8 wrench to turn. If you have a smaller exterior nut - it is the wrong size.



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 OSH '08 or Bust (busted) be there in &quot;09

 Q/B Kit - wiring and FWF





 Read this topic online here:



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Kelly McMullen
A&P/IA, EAA Tech Counselor
KCHD

pascal(at)rv10builder.net
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Posted: Fri Mar 27, 2009 8:49 am Post subject: Fuel & Oil line torque values - help ???

http://www.vansaircraft.com/pdf/Torque_Spec_Aluminum_Fittings.pdf



Pascal

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From: "AirMike" <Mikeabel(at)Pacbell.net>

Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2009 7:05 PM

To: <rv10-list(at)matronics.com>

Subject: Fuel & Oil line torque values - help ???



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 I was told to use a high temp permatex thread sealer on the fuel and oil 

 lines (VA190, VA135 etc) to the oil cooler and fuel pressure monitor 

 hoses.

 What are the torque values on these aeroquip hoses (fuel & oil)????



 Also - Alert note......................I got my FWF kit in the summer of 

 '07. My VA190 hose was of the wrong diameter. I would suggest that people 

 who got their FWF kits about then check the hose to make sure that it was 

 right. I sent back the defective hose and Gus very kindly sent me the 

 proper one. The VA190 takes a 7/8 wrench to turn. If you have a smaller 

 exterior nut - it is the wrong size.



 --------

 OSH '08 or Bust (busted) be there in &quot;09

 Q/B Kit - wiring and FWF





 Read this topic online here:



 http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 36318#236318

wcurtis(at)nerv10.com
Guest

Posted: Fri Mar 27, 2009 8:49 am Post subject: Fuel & Oil line torque values - help ???

AirMike,



I've had the below page up since before 2007 and while I love to support 

Vans, builder should EXCLUDE all the hoses from the Vans FWF kit and 

instead order the all Teflon hose kit with integral fire-sleeve from 

aircrafthose.com.  You get much better hoses for less than or about the 

same price as the non fire-sleeve hoses in the Vans kit.



http://nerv10.com/wcurtis/20Engine/hose.html



William

http://nerv10.com/wcurtis/



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bkbrown(at)minetfiber.com
Guest

Posted: Fri Mar 27, 2009 9:52 am Post subject: Fuel & Oil line torque values - help ???

That is really helpful, Mr. Curtis!  Thanks!  



What I'm still searching for...just so I can get them in advance are Teflon

lined hoses to run from the tunnel bulkhead fitting outboard to the wing

tanks...is there ANYBODY out there that can give me a dimension?  This is

one of those lengths that (I'm pretty sure) can't vary much...but I had

planned on running a hose there instead of the 3/8" alumninum line.  Help

anyone?



Bob Brown



Do not archive



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pascal(at)rv10builder.net
Guest

Posted: Fri Mar 27, 2009 10:03 am Post subject: Fuel & Oil line torque values - help ???

No disagreement in having the firesleeve hoses, however, just to clarify, 

the price gap is very significant when all added up- close to $200 on $569 

of Aircrafthose.com hoses.

That difference in based on the webstore and not the kit credits one would 

receive, so there may be an even larger gap.

Van's runs the hoses they have in the kit in their own aircraft. They have 

shown no issues thus far, with that said if someone thinks manifold and oil 

cooler hoses need the extra firesleeve protection that is money well spent 

going with the aircrafthose.com setup.

Here is the breakdown on my numbers:

                                                                       PHT 

Van's price



 VA119/ 111417-4S0214                               30.76         17



 VA-102/ 124J001-4CR0154                         68.36        15.50



 VA-133/ 124J001-4CR0272                         79.12        18.25



 VA-138/ 124J001-6CR0140                          78.14        63.30



 VA-189/ 124J002-6CR0254                          104.96        100.50



 VA-135/ 124J001-8CR0164                           95.68        64.40



 VA-190/ 124J001-8CR0270                           111.92        97.65

------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

 total 

$568.94        $376.60



Delivery is 2 to 3 days



Van's hoses page: 

http://www.vansaircraft.com/cgi-bin/catalog.cgi?ident=1238176072-388-450&browse=engines&product=hoses



Pascal



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From: "William Curtis" <wcurtis(at)nerv10.com>

Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 8:42 AM

To: <rv10-list(at)matronics.com>

Subject: re: Fuel & Oil line torque values - help ???



[quote] 



 AirMike,



 I've had the below page up since before 2007 and while I love to support

 Vans, builder should EXCLUDE all the hoses from the Vans FWF kit and

 instead order the all Teflon hose kit with integral fire-sleeve from

 aircrafthose.com.  You get much better hoses for less than or about the

 same price as the non fire-sleeve hoses in the Vans kit.



 http://nerv10.com/wcurtis/20Engine/hose.html



 William

 http://nerv10.com/wcurtis/



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rene(at)felker.com
Guest

Posted: Fri Mar 27, 2009 10:14 am Post subject: Fuel & Oil line torque values - help ???

I made my own hoses for the fuel lines from the tank to the valve.  You can

have some variance.  I put one end on. Routed the line, marked, pulled the

line and then put the other end on.  Between the turn in the tunnel and the

s turn in the wing root, these can be some slop.



I did not find making the lines all that hard.  



Another alternative, is just go down to your local hose shop and have them

make them up.  Measure long, have them put one end on.  Route in airplane,

mark and then have them put the other end on.



I bought my hose, connectors and tool from Vans.



Rene' Felker

RV-10 N423CF Flying

801-721-6080



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LarryRosen

Joined: 16 Jan 2006
Posts: 415
Location: Medford, NJ

Posted: Fri Mar 27, 2009 10:20 am Post subject: Fuel & Oil line torque values - help ???

For flexible stainless steel wrapped teflon fuel lines talk to Brett at Bonaco

                       

  Bonaco Inc. Hose and Fittings / Brake Lines                          1846 W. 11th. St.

 Unit I

 Upland, CA 91786         Phone: 909 - 985 - 3429

 Fax: 909 - 946 - 5625

 Email: bonacoinc(at)bonacoinc.com (bonacoinc(at)bonacoinc.com)                                

 Shop Hours - Weekdays 9am - 5:30pm PST

       1-866-239-6442 

              www.bonacoinc.com                 

 Larry

 

 Bob and Karen Brown wrote: [quote]   [quote]--> RV10-List message posted by: "Bob and Karen Brown" <bkbrown(at)minetfiber.com> (bkbrown(at)minetfiber.com)  That is really helpful, Mr. Curtis!  Thanks!    What I'm still searching for...just so I can get them in advance are Teflon lined hoses to run from the tunnel bulkhead fitting outboard to the wing tanks...is there ANYBODY out there that can give me a dimension?  This is one of those lengths that (I'm pretty sure) can't vary much...but I had planned on running a hose there instead of the 3/8" alumninum line.  Help anyone?  Bob Brown  Do not archive  --

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jcumins(at)jcis.net
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Posted: Fri Mar 27, 2009 12:38 pm Post subject: Fuel & Oil line torque values - help ???

Ok here is my 2 cents worth.  All hoses fwd of the firewall that transport

flammable liquids must have fire sleeve. I have seen when a fire starts with

out fire sleeve and it is a lot worse then hoses with fire sleeve. And the

additional cost for Teflon hoses with fire sleeve is the best way to go.

There longer live and do not require a time in service change like the

rubber hoses do.



I have seen several rubber hoses break due to people not changing them and

it usually means a off air port landing not a good thing.



My butt and the airplane is worth the difference in Teflon - vs- rubber

hoses and always include fire sleeve on all fluid hoses. 



We all will have over $100k invested in our projects why scrimp on something

that has the potential of causing loss of aircraft or loss of life.  



That's just plane stupid.



OK That's my 2 cents worth  



John Cumins

A&P 

Horz stab assy.

N864FN reverved

 

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wcurtis(at)nerv10.com
Guest

Posted: Fri Mar 27, 2009 12:52 pm Post subject: Fuel & Oil line torque values - help ???

Pascal,



I won't dispute your math but in Aug '07 I received a $584.60 credit from 

Van's for excluding the hoses in the Firewall Forward kit and then paid 

$450 to aircrafthost.com for the better hoses in their RV-10 kit.  This 

amount excluded the VA-189 hose since this was included with my 

TMX-IO-540.



These were the prices then, I guess Van's has reduced the prices on the FWF 

kit hoses considerably.  IMHO, the kit from aircrafthose.com is still much 

better and arguably worth the additional $200.



IE VMP INSTALL KIT	FITTINGS/HOSES 

(VA-119, AN924-4D, ED SPACER, PT 094X156)	 $55.00 

VA-102	FUEL PRES. HOSE 15.5	 $51.00 

VA-133	OIL PRESS. HOSE 27.25	 $61.00 

VA-135	OIL COOLER HOSE 16.5	 $83.00 

VA-190	OIL COOLER HOSE 27"	 $130.00 

VA-138	FUEL SUPPLY HOSE 14.0	 $78.50 

VA-189	FUEL LINE IO-540 25.5	 $126.10 



Ya pays your money and ya takes your chances.



William

http://nerv10.com/wcurtis/



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Kelly McMullen

Joined: 16 Apr 2008
Posts: 1188
Location: Sun Lakes AZ

Posted: Fri Mar 27, 2009 1:02 pm Post subject: Fuel & Oil line torque values - help ???

If you have worked with fuel and oil hoses of both varieties, there is

no comparison. The integral firesleeve are worth it for any hose that

should be firesleeved. One could debate with regard to MP hose. I

don't think there is any debate for fuel or oil hoses. I have the PHT

Parker 124J hoses in my Mooney right now.



On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 2:02 PM, pascal <pascal(at)rv10builder.net> wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		   



 No disagreement in having the firesleeve hoses, however, just to clarify,

 the price gap is very significant when all added up- close to $200 on $569

 of Aircrafthose.com hoses.

_________________
Kelly McMullen
A&P/IA, EAA Tech Counselor
KCHD

pascal(at)rv10builder.net
Guest

Posted: Fri Mar 27, 2009 1:11 pm Post subject: Fuel & Oil line torque values - help ???

No disagreement in having the firesleeve hoses, however, just to clarify, 

.. Just making sure no one was shocked at the difference in prices is all.

Pascal



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From: "William Curtis" <wcurtis(at)nerv10.com>

Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 12:47 PM

To: <rv10-list(at)matronics.com>

Subject: Re: Fuel & Oil line torque values - help ???



[quote] 



 Pascal,



 I won't dispute your math but in Aug '07 I received a $584.60 credit from

 Van's for excluding the hoses in the Firewall Forward kit and then paid

 $450 to aircrafthost.com for the better hoses in their RV-10 kit.  This

 amount excluded the VA-189 hose since this was included with my

 TMX-IO-540.



 These were the prices then, I guess Van's has reduced the prices on the 

 FWF

 kit hoses considerably.  IMHO, the kit from aircrafthose.com is still much

 better and arguably worth the additional $200.



 IE VMP INSTALL KIT FITTINGS/HOSES

 (VA-119, AN924-4D, ED SPACER, PT 094X156) $55.00

 VA-102 FUEL PRES. HOSE 15.5 $51.00

 VA-133 OIL PRESS. HOSE 27.25 $61.00

 VA-135 OIL COOLER HOSE 16.5 $83.00

 VA-190 OIL COOLER HOSE 27" $130.00

 VA-138 FUEL SUPPLY HOSE 14.0 $78.50

 VA-189 FUEL LINE IO-540 25.5 $126.10



 Ya pays your money and ya takes your chances.



 William

 http://nerv10.com/wcurtis/



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Kelly McMullen

Joined: 16 Apr 2008
Posts: 1188
Location: Sun Lakes AZ

Posted: Fri Mar 27, 2009 4:08 pm Post subject: Fuel & Oil line torque values - help ???

Do we know who makes Van's hose kit and how high quality the assembly

is?  When I was buying new hoses for my Mooney to complete install of

fresh engine, the cost difference for all 7 hoses was a net $110 to

get 124J over 124 with firesleeve from PHT with full TSO tagging.



On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 5:11 PM, pascal <pascal(at)rv10builder.net> wrote:

[quote] 



 No disagreement in having the firesleeve hoses, however, just to clarify,

 ... Just making sure no one was shocked at the difference in prices is all.

 Pascal



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 From: "William Curtis" <wcurtis(at)nerv10.com>

 Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 12:47 PM

 To: <rv10-list(at)matronics.com>

 Subject: Re: Fuel & Oil line torque values - help ???



> 

>

> Pascal,

>

> I won't dispute your math but in Aug '07 I received a $584.60 credit from

> Van's for excluding the hoses in the Firewall Forward kit and then paid

> $450 to aircrafthost.com for the better hoses in their RV-10 kit.  This

> amount excluded the VA-189 hose since this was included with my

> TMX-IO-540.

>

> These were the prices then, I guess Van's has reduced the prices on the

> FWF

> kit hoses considerably.  IMHO, the kit from aircrafthose.com is still much

> better and arguably worth the additional $200.

>

> IE VMP INSTALL KIT FITTINGS/HOSES

> (VA-119, AN924-4D, ED SPACER, PT 094X156) $55.00

> VA-102 FUEL PRES. HOSE 15.5 $51.00

> VA-133 OIL PRESS. HOSE 27.25 $61.00

> VA-135 OIL COOLER HOSE 16.5 $83.00

> VA-190 OIL COOLER HOSE 27" $130.00

> VA-138 FUEL SUPPLY HOSE 14.0 $78.50

> VA-189 FUEL LINE IO-540 25.5 $126.10

>

> Ya pays your money and ya takes your chances.

>

> William

> http://nerv10.com/wcurtis/

>

> ------

_________________
Kelly McMullen
A&P/IA, EAA Tech Counselor
KCHD

bkbrown(at)minetfiber.com
Guest

Posted: Fri Mar 27, 2009 6:44 pm Post subject: Fuel & Oil line torque values - help ???

Brett does not have the length for this hose assembly, we have discussed this…and that is what he and I are asking here.  

   

Bob  

   

Do not archive.  

       

From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Larry Rosen

 Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 11:19 AM

 To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: Re: Fuel & Oil line torque values - help ???  

  

  

   

For flexible stainless steel wrapped teflon fuel lines talk to Brett at Bonaco          

Bonaco Inc. Hose and   Fittings / Brake Lines             

1846 W. 11th. St.

   [b]Unit I

   Upland, CA 91786[/b]         

Phone: 909 - 985 - 3429

   [b]Fax: 909 - 946 - 5625

   Email: bonacoinc(at)bonacoinc.com (bonacoinc(at)bonacoinc.com)   [/b]             

Shop   Hours - Weekdays 9am - 5:30pm PST

   1-866-239-6442 

   www.bonacoinc.com        



 Larry

 

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