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tc1917(at)bellsouth.net
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Posted: Sun Mar 29, 2009 2:47 am Post subject: smooth flying

Ok, after all of that stuff, I want to say this;  if you want smooth flying 

even in the afternoon, without the bad bumps, mind grinding tugs on the 

stick to right yourself, the solution is easy:  'get a sling shot'.  Easy as 

that.  I flew an original firestar for close to seven years and a lot of 

hours.  Flying to Florida to ride the coast line and just about every type 

of thermal you can image and you know what, I got real tired yanking and 

banking.  Took hits that left me bruised and aching.  Since I got the 

Slingshot, I love flying even in the afternoon.  This is the most forgiving 

and capable flyer I have ever been in.  I fly along side C150s and they are 

rocking and rolling harder than I.  What I get is more of a pivot back and 

forth, left  and right and a little pitch up and down but even the six and 

eight hundred foot risers only show up on my instruments.  It weighs in at 

500 lbs dry (heavier than most) has a 912UL 80 hp (had a 582 gas guzzler) 

and I couldnt be happier.  Carrying a passenger is testy cause they have to 

be small to get in and it really doesnt like the extra weight but I have 

taken an 180 pounder up and it just requires a little more RPM to keep it 

going.  Lands just as smooth, just requires a hundred or more feet to get 

up.  So if you want smooth and zoom zoom, get a slingshot.  Dont know about 

the firefly cause it is too light.  Hope I didnt bore you all.  But -- if 

you ever want the thrill of a lifetime, get to the Florida coast with us and 

fly the beach, 80 miles down for a grouper sandwich, two hundred feet up, 

two hundred feet off the beach, grand.

Something else, when I rebuilt my first ultrastar, I took some advise and 

used stainless steel rivets.  Some years later I got it back and had to 

repair it and I learned a lesson.  Stainless rivets are the worse things in 

the world to drill out without overdrilling the holes.  Been told by a Navy 

aircraft repairman, very experienced, that we should not be using steel 

rivets on alum. anyway.  It is about dislike materials.  But if you have to, 

use steel because it will NOT tighten as much as stainless and possibly 

weaken the holes as the mandrel is pulled.  Stainless is actually too tight. 

Take a sample of alum and test pull both and you will see the stainless 

mandrel comes almost all the way through when you break it.  There are other 

problems with dislike materials also.  My two cents worth.  A properly 

pulled steel rivet is better than an overpulled stainless.  I want as much 

meat around the mandrel ball as I can get.  I am sure I will get heat from 

this.  Ted Cowan, Alabama

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Ralph B

Joined: 14 Apr 2007
Posts: 367
Location: Mound Minnesota

Posted: Sun Mar 29, 2009 6:12 am Post subject: Re: smooth flying

Ted, I notice the same thing in the Kolbra after many years flying the very light Firestar. It's that extra wing loading that does the trick. There is a trade off in everything, of course, and the Kolbra sink rate is much higher, especially with a passenger.



Going flying today in Minnesota. Wow, the afternoon high will be 45! It's a heat wave ...



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Posted: Sun Mar 29, 2009 7:03 am Post subject: smooth flying

Ted, Thermals are just the Lord's way of passing out free altitude. Unless you're in a situation that demands organized flying, slow down, turn and watch the earth fall away.



Rick

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On Sun, Mar 29, 2009 at 5:47 AM, Ted Cowan <tc1917(at)bellsouth.net (tc1917(at)bellsouth.net)> wrote:

[quote] --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Ted Cowan" <tc1917(at)bellsouth.net (tc1917(at)bellsouth.net)>

 

 Ok, after all of that stuff, I want to say this;  if you want smooth flying even in the afternoon, without the bad bumps, mind grinding tugs on the stick to right yourself, the solution is easy:  'get a sling shot'.  Easy as that.  I flew an original firestar for close to seven years and a lot of hours.  Flying to Florida to ride the coast line and just about every type of thermal you can image and you know what, I got real tired yanking and banking.  Took hits that left me bruised and aching.  Since I got the Slingshot, I love flying even in the afternoon.  This is the most forgiving and capable flyer I have ever been in.  I fly along side C150s and they are rocking and rolling harder than I.  What I get is more of a pivot back and forth, left  and right and a little pitch up and down but even the six and eight hundred foot risers only show up on my instruments.  It weighs in at 500 lbs dry (heavier than most) has a 912UL 80 hp (had a 582 gas guzzler) and I couldnt be happier.  Carrying a passenger is testy cause they have to be small to get in and it really doesnt like the extra weight but I have taken an 180 pounder up and it just requires a little more RPM to keep it going.  Lands just as smooth, just requires a hundred or more feet to get up.  So if you want smooth and zoom zoom, get a slingshot.  Dont know about the firefly cause it is too light.  Hope I didnt bore you all.  But -- if you ever want the thrill of a lifetime, get to the Florida coast with us and fly the beach, 80 miles down for a grouper sandwich, two hundred feet up, two hundred feet off the beach, grand.

  Something else, when I rebuilt my first ultrastar, I took some advise and used stainless steel rivets.  Some years later I got it back and had to repair it and I learned a lesson.  Stainless rivets are the worse things in the world to drill out without overdrilling the holes.  Been told by a Navy aircraft repairman, very experienced, that we should not be using steel rivets on alum. anyway.  It is about dislike materials.  But if you have to, use steel because it will NOT tighten as much as stainless and possibly weaken the holes as the mandrel is pulled.  Stainless is actually too tight. Take a sample of alum and test pull both and you will see the stainless mandrel comes almost all the way through when you break it.  There are other problems with dislike materials also.  My two cents worth.  A properly pulled steel rivet is better than an overpulled stainless.  I want as much meat around the mandrel ball as I can get.  I am sure I will get heat from this.  Ted Cowan, Alabama 

  

 

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lucien

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Location: santa fe, NM

Posted: Sun Mar 29, 2009 7:50 am Post subject: Re: smooth flying

 	  Ralph B wrote: 	
		  Ted, I notice the same thing in the Kolbra after many years flying the very light Firestar. It's that extra wing loading that does the trick. There is a trade off in everything, of course, and the Kolbra sink rate is much higher, especially with a passenger.



Going flying today in Minnesota. Wow, the afternoon high will be 45! It's a heat wave ...



Ralph 	




Does TNK even still make the Kolba? Or is it a by-request-only kit build like the FS?



I've lusted after the Kolbra forever (along with a billion other planes too I guess)...



LS

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mdnanwelch7(at)hotmail.co
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Posted: Sun Mar 29, 2009 9:12 am Post subject: smooth flying

Lucien C

  Yes C I believe TNK will sell you a Kolbra kit.  You are correct C it is by request only.  At least C this is what I remember from talking to Travis a while back.

  Hell C I guess they'd even sell you a Bell JetRanger C if you have the money.  : )

Mike Welch

sent from Gulf Shores C AL...here visiting youngest son C home from Afghanistan C and grandkids

[quote] Subject: Re: smooth flying

 From: lstavenhagen(at)hotmail.com

 Date: Sun C 29 Mar 2009 08:50:14 -0700

 To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com

 --> Kolb-List message posted by: "lucien" <lstavenhagen(at)hotmail.com>

 Ralph B wrote:

 > Ted C I notice the same thing in the Kolbra after many years flying the very light Firestar. It's that extra wing loading that does the trick. There is a trade off in everything C of course C and the Kolbra sink rate is much higher C especially with a passenger.

 > 

 > Going flying today in Minnesota. Wow C the afternoon high will be 45! It's a heat wave ...

 > 

 > Ralph

 Does TNK even still make the Kolba? Or is it a by-request-only kit build like the FS?

 I've lusted after the Kolbra forever (along with a billion other planes too I guess)...

 LS

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herbgh(at)nctc.com
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Posted: Sun Mar 29, 2009 9:32 am Post subject: smooth flying

Heck of a deal on the factory MkIII extra also...  Cannot believe it has not sold!!  Herb 



   



 

 At 12:11 PM 3/29/2009, you wrote:

 [quote]Lucien,



   Yes, I believe TNK will sell you a Kolbra kit.  You are correct, it is by request only.  At least, this is what I remember from talking to Travis a while back.



   Hell, I guess they'd even sell you a Bell JetRanger, if you have the money.  : )



 Mike Welch

 sent from Gulf Shores, AL...here visiting youngest son, home from Afghanistan, and grandkids



 > Subject: Re: smooth flying

 > From: lstavenhagen(at)hotmail.com

 > Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 08:50:14 -0700

 > To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com

 > 

 > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "lucien" <lstavenhagen(at)hotmail.com>

 > 

 > 

 > Ralph B wrote:

 > > Ted, I notice the same thing in the Kolbra after many years flying the very light Firestar. It's that extra wing loading that does the trick. There is a trade off in everything, of course, and the Kolbra sink rate is much higher, especially with a passenger.

 > > 

 > > Going flying today in Minnesota. Wow, the afternoon high will be 45! It's a heat wave ...

 > > 

 > > Ralph

 > 

 > 

 > Does TNK even still make the Kolba? Or is it a by-request-only kit build like the FS?

 > 

 > I've lusted after the Kolbra forever (along with a billion other planes too I guess)...

 > 

 > LS

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 > Read this topic online here:

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 >  http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=236664#236664

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Fran Losey

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Posts: 61
Location: Boca Raton, FL

Posted: Sun Mar 29, 2009 10:47 am Post subject: smooth flying

From a fellow Marine, thank him please for  his service to our great Country!

Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

From:  Mike Welch 

Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 10:11:25 -0700

To: <kolb-list(at)matronics.com>

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Posted: Sun Mar 29, 2009 1:14 pm Post subject: Re: smooth flying

That is a very good flight report on the Slingshot, I am sure many people will like the information as they lurk here wondering which Kolb they should build.



What part of the Florida coastline did you fly ?



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Posted: Sun Mar 29, 2009 1:16 pm Post subject: Re: smooth flying

P.S.  The factory Kolb is about the best deal on a very nice Kolb that one will ever find.  I wish that was for sale when I bought mine.  Just the parts alone for that Kolb would cost more than they are asking for it, and its already built.



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