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mdnanwelch7(at)hotmail.co
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Posted: Fri Mar 27, 2009 4:35 am Post subject: AOA indicator

Kolb people C

  

   A guy that makes these posted this link on a different group site.  I think it may get more exposure on this site C for those that are interested.

   Some pilots feel AOA is a better stall indicator than airspeed.  Here's the link:

  

 http://www.pipcom.com/~cowcam/AOAr.htm

  

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Posted: Fri Mar 27, 2009 8:52 am Post subject: AOA indicator

Mike 



   I haven't looked through all of my email this morning...taking them as they come....that said...



   I like the simplicity of the angle of attack indicator on the linked page...  except...the bracket and pickup head are on single bolts...meaning that with temp; they could pivot...causing incorrect indications...   simple to fix... use single bolt while adjusting and then go with double ones.... Herb 



 

 At 07:33 AM 3/27/2009, you wrote:

 [quote]Kolb people,

  

   A guy that makes these posted this link on a different group site.  I think it may get more exposure on this site, for those that are interested.

   Some pilots feel AOA is a better stall indicator than airspeed.  Here's the link:

  

  http://www.pipcom.com/~cowcam/AOAr.htm

  

 Mike Welch

 MkIII 



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Posted: Fri Mar 27, 2009 9:42 am Post subject: AOA indicator

Unless you are flying like a fighter pilot pulling high g levels and possible getting yourself into accelerated stall.    You don’t need angle of attack…  

Admittedly,,    for a fighter pilot, it is still the best,,   

 but for our type of flying,,,   airspeed is good indicator.    Keep it simple…   like one less thing to have to worry about. And one less distraction , and less pilot work load.  

   

Boyd  Young   

   

   

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Kolb people,
	


  

   A guy that makes these posted this link on a different group site.  I think it may get more exposure on this site, for those that are interested.

   Some pilots feel AOA is a better stall indicator than airspeed.  Here's the link:

  

 http://www.pipcom.com/~cowcam/AOAr.htm

  

 Mike Welch

 MkIII  

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John Hauck

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Posted: Fri Mar 27, 2009 9:58 am Post subject: AOA indicator

And  learn to fly the Kolb before adding lots of goodies and making  major changes.  Might save you a lot of time, money, and heart ache in the  future.

  

 john  h

 mkiii

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 Keep it simple…   like one less    thing to have to worry about. And one less distraction , and less pilot work    load.   

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herbgh(at)nctc.com
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Posted: Fri Mar 27, 2009 10:21 am Post subject: AOA indicator

John 



 Dressing up a plane is a bit like dressing up a motorcycle...Lots of stickers for one.., showing the name of the engine co, name of oil, prop used,, favorite parts supplier etc..name of places we have flown... Gal friends name...etc... and as we get older...our name and address and phone number...  



    The only trouble I see with aol is the distraction one  must go thru when adjusting.... I think I would install a small movie camera during the full stall landings...that are suggested and necessary...My one full stall landing required some repairs... 



  Herb 



 

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 [quote]And   learn to fly the Kolb before adding lots of goodies and making major changes.  Might save you a lot of time, money, and heart ache in the future. 

  

 john h

 mkiii

  

   Keep it simple…   like one less thing to have to worry about. And one less distraction , and less pilot work load.

 

  Boyd  Young 

 

   

 

  

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Posted: Sun Mar 29, 2009 9:23 am Post subject: AOA indicator

Boyd C



  I don't believe I was advocating using an AOA.  I simply stated some pilots feel they are a better stall indicator.  I also said I think the link will get more exposure on this site C which is true.



  Whether someone sees the value of an AOA in a Kolb airplane is up to that person C and their wants and desires.  I'm not inclined to think it is too distracting C or too much workload C if a person had one.  Can't say I understand how an AOA "complicates" things C either.



  For many (Kolb) pilots C an AOA is just not worth the effort C nor the added information it may display.  I can accept that.

I was just passing along a link C that's all.



Mike Welch

MkIII....which is looking less like a project C and more like an airplane everyday.



From: by0ung(at)brigham.net

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Subject: RE: AOA indicator

Date: Fri C 27 Mar 2009 10:41:59 -0700



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Unless you are flying like a fighter pilot pulling high g levels and possible getting yourself into accelerated stall.    You don’t need angle of attack…  

Admittedly C C    for a fighter pilot C it is still the best C C   

 but for our type of flying C C C   airspeed is good indicator.    Keep it simple…   like one less thing to have to worry about. And one less distraction  C and less pilot work load.  

   

Boyd  Young   

   

   

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Kolb people C
	


  

   A guy that makes these posted this link on a different group site.  I think it may get more exposure on this site C for those that are interested.

   Some pilots feel AOA is a better stall indicator than airspeed.  Here's the link:

  

 http://www.pipcom.com/~cowcam/AOAr.htm

  

 Mike Welch

 MkIII  

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Posted: Sun Mar 29, 2009 9:44 am Post subject: AOA indicator

Mike 



    I like the idea of a "Bacon Saver/Gear saver)  AOA  indicator...   I think something similar is used in 150's  ?  hooked to a big  noise maker in the cockpit...    I turned it on regularly...much to the consternation of my asleep   instructor...thought that was what it was for for a while....  



 

     Simplicity??   I got that....a big red idiot light  ... attached to a   Grand Rapids box however...    Herb 



 

 At 12:23 PM 3/29/2009, you wrote:

 [quote]Boyd,



   I don't believe I was advocating using an AOA.  I simply stated some pilots feel they are a better stall indicator.  I also said I think the link will get more exposure on this site, which is true.



   Whether someone sees the value of an AOA in a Kolb airplane is up to that person, and their wants and desires.  I'm not inclined to think it is too distracting, or too much workload, if a person had one.  Can't say I understand how an AOA "complicates" things, either.



   For many (Kolb) pilots, an AOA is just not worth the effort, nor the added information it may display.  I can accept that.

 I was just passing along a link, that's all.



 Mike Welch

 MkIII....which is looking less like a project, and more like an airplane everyday.



  From: by0ung(at)brigham.net

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 Subject: RE: AOA indicator

 Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 10:41:59 -0700



 Unless you are flying like a fighter pilot pulling high g levels and possible getting yourself into accelerated stall.    You don’t need angle of attack…

 

 Admittedly,,    for a fighter pilot, it is still the best,, 

 

  but for our type of flying,,,   airspeed is good indicator.    Keep it simple…   like one less thing to have to worry about. And one less distraction , and less pilot work load.

 

  

 

 Boyd  Young 

 

  

 

  

 

  >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 

 

 Kolb people,

  

   A guy that makes these posted this link on a different group site.  I think it may get more exposure on this site, for those that are interested.

   Some pilots feel AOA is a better stall indicator than airspeed.  Here's the link:

  

  http://www.pipcom.com/~cowcam/AOAr.htm

  

 Mike Welch

 MkIII

 

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Posted: Sun Mar 29, 2009 1:33 pm Post subject: AOA indicator

GuysIsn't the Cessna "stall warning horn" really an  AOA indicator? The little metal tab  sticking out of the leading edge gets pushed up by the relative wind & sounds the horn, when the AOA is increased. (it's just an opening in later models) Part of the preflight was to push it up (Master on) and make sure it beeps. In a near-perfect 3-point landing it would beep when you were a foot above the runway. It simply said  "slow down a little more and you'll stall". Good to know.

I found it very useful, but have been accused of wearing it out when swordfish-spotting & whale-photographing. On all the time.

BTW, guys who fly long XC's may find this useful. My instructor used to tell me to maintain a constant altitude -- this was good for practice I suppose, because it needed constant control adjustments to maintain a certain altitude.

But this is very inefficient. When you get an updraft, this procedure makes you put the nose down and speed up, spending less time in a favorable, lift-producing  wind. And conversely, slow down in a downdraft, spending MORE time in  an  unfavorable wind. 

Much better  (if airspace permits), to slow down in an updraft and spend the maximum amount of time there, and speed up in a downdraft, to get out of it ASAP. Within limits of course.

FWIW

Russ K





On Mar 29, 2009, at 1:43 PM, herb wrote:

[quote] Mike 



    I like the idea of a "Bacon Saver/Gear saver)  AOA  indicator...   I think something similar is used in 150's  ?  hooked to a big  noise maker in the cockpit...    I turned it on regularly...much to the consternation of my asleep   instructor...thought that was what it was for for a while....  



 

     Simplicity??   I got that....a big red idiot light  ... attached to a   Grand Rapids box however...    Herb 



 

 At 12:23 PM 3/29/2009, you wrote:

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		  Boyd,



   I don't believe I was advocating using an AOA.  I simply stated some pilots feel they are a better stall indicator.  I also said I think the link will get more exposure on this site, which is true.



   Whether someone sees the value of an AOA in a Kolb airplane is up to that person, and their wants and desires.  I'm not inclined to think it is too distracting, or too much workload, if a person had one.  Can't say I understand how an AOA "complicates" things, either.



   For many (Kolb) pilots, an AOA is just not worth the effort, nor the added information it may display.  I can accept that.

 I was just passing along a link, that's all.



 Mike Welch

 MkIII....which is looking less like a project, and more like an airplane everyday.



  From: by0ung(at)brigham.net (by0ung(at)brigham.net)

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 Subject: RE: AOA indicator

 Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 10:41:59 -0700



 Unless you are flying like a fighter pilot pulling high g levels and possible getting yourself into accelerated stall.    You don’t need angle of attack…

 

 Admittedly,,    for a fighter pilot, it is still the best,, 

 

  but for our type of flying,,,   airspeed is good indicator.    Keep it simple…   like one less thing to have to worry about. And one less distraction , and less pilot work load.

 

  

 

 Boyd  Young 

 

  

 

  

 

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 Kolb people,

  

   A guy that makes these posted this link on a different group site.  I think it may get more exposure on this site, for those that are interested.

   Some pilots feel AOA is a better stall indicator than airspeed.  Here's the link:

  

  http://www.pipcom.com/~cowcam/AOAr.htm

  

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 MkIII

 

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