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Thruster87
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 Posted: Sat Apr 11, 2009 2:32 am Post subject: 601xl trailer plans?? |
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Anyone built a trailer for the 601xl including a spot for both wings [open NOT enclosed trailer] and keeping it Hwy legal [under 2.4m wide].I'm looking at modifying a 5m boat trailer by putting the tail towards the front and the main wheels just aft of the trailer wheels but wider.Cheers
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jaybannist(at)cs.com
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| Posted: Sat Apr 11, 2009 5:22 am Post subject: 601xl trailer plans?? |
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"Thruster87"
I did a design for my 4' x 8' trailer for the fuselage alone. That doesn't sound like it would work for you, but I'd be glad to share the drawings with you if you want.
My main comment is about placing the airplane's wheels aft of the trailer's wheels. That is going to produce an uplift at the trailer hitch, which is not a good situation. It would be much better to put the airplane's wheels forward of the trailer's wheels to ensure that there will be positive load on the hitch.
Jay Bannister
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larry(at)macsmachine.com
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| Posted: Sat Apr 11, 2009 6:20 am Post subject: 601xl trailer plans?? |
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Hi Alan,
The attached image was one I saved back because it was a well done
construct for the tail dragger 601. For a tri gear, this would be a bit
different, but doable.
Larry McFarland 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com
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Anyone built a trailer for the 601xl including a spot for both wings [open NOT enclosed trailer] and keeping it Hwy legal [under 2.4m wide].I'm looking at modifying a 5m boat trailer by putting the tail towards the front and the main wheels just aft of the trailer wheels but wider.Cheers
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Thruster87
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| Posted: Sat Apr 11, 2009 12:28 pm Post subject: Re: 601xl trailer plans?? |
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| jaybannist(at)cs.com wrote: | "Thruster87"
I did a design for my 4' x 8' trailer for the fuselage alone. That doesn't sound like it would work for you, but I'd be glad to share the drawings with you if you want.
My main comment is about placing the airplane's wheels aft of the trailer's wheels. That is going to produce an uplift at the trailer hitch, which is not a good situation. It would be much better to put the airplane's wheels forward of the trailer's wheels to ensure that there will be positive load on the hitch.
Jay Bannister
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It's the old weight and balance coming in to play here and having the wheels aft would be the why to go but the track would be to wide [max width 8' or 2.4m above this would need Police escorts with flashing lights,route feasibility study and permits].With the boat trailer there is properly 100 + kg forward of the axle[and it's 4m long with the hitch,winch and jockey wheel support right at the end of the lever arm] so I'm hoping this will counter act the a/c weight.I'm still trying to figure out the best way to support the main wheels and how to make the ramps as I do like the way it's done in the above pics Cheers
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n85ae
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| Posted: Mon Apr 13, 2009 9:27 am Post subject: Re: 601xl trailer plans?? |
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Here's a Kitfox trailer I built. The back bar on the trailer swings open,
and act as a bumper so to speak, for curious tailgaters. Not shown
are the loading ramps.
Jeff Hays
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zenith-list(at)steensland
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| Posted: Mon Apr 13, 2009 9:28 am Post subject: 601xl trailer plans?? |
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My friend rented a snow-mobile trailer to get his fuselage from this
house to the hanger. It was just wide enough to do the trick. (and cheap).
dennis hettrick wrote:
[quote] I hauled mine on a borrowed car trailer. I had an 8 ' deck and was
much longer than needed.We crossed the Canadian border with no
problems. There are landscaper trailers at Tractor supply around here
that would do the job. Dennis
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Subject: Re: 601xl trailer plans??
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2009 09:20:54 -0400
From: jaybannist(at)cs.com
"Thruster87"
I did a design for my 4' x 8' trailer for the fuselage alone. That
doesn't sound like it would work for you, but I'd be glad to share the
drawings with you if you want.
My main comment is about placing the airplane's wheels aft of the
trailer's wheels. That is going to produce an uplift at the trailer
hitch, which is not a good situation. It would be much better to put
the airplane's wheels forward of the trailer's wheels to ensure that
there will be positive load on the hitch.
Jay Bannister
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n85ae
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| Posted: Mon Apr 13, 2009 12:48 pm Post subject: Re: 601xl trailer plans?? |
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It's all about weight, and balance. Even on a trailer. You gotta do a little
bit of math and calculate the moments. You want to end up with about
100 lb.s on the tongue. Just putting the wheel's ... way back .. might work
but it's not really the best way.
It's not hard to do, just need learn to do some simple math, and get a
spreadsheet and presto, instant trailer config.
Regards,
Jeff
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Thruster87
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| Posted: Mon Apr 13, 2009 1:32 pm Post subject: Re: 601xl trailer plans?? |
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| n85ae wrote: | Here's a Kitfox trailer I built. The back bar on the trailer swings open,
and act as a bumper so to speak, for curious tailgaters. Not shown
are the loading ramps.
Jeff Hays |
The section rear of the axle is what I'm working out now and the above pic looks like it would work for me as well.With the CofC of the 601xl just fwd of the main wheels and by putting them as close to the trailer wheels as possible, I should be in the ball park with the W/B. Thanks Everyone for your input
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n85ae
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| Posted: Tue Apr 14, 2009 10:40 am Post subject: Re: 601xl trailer plans?? |
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Actually I have built several trailers, I always use the torsion axles and
like them a lot. One thing I was thinking is that you could make the trailer
with relocatable axle mounts and then simply adjust the axle location
fore and aft to get the tongue weight you want. It would be simple to
put the plane on the trailer, and then using a set of jackstands play with
them under different locations on the frame in order to find the optimum
location for the axles.
One thing I have learned from making trailers, is that you rarely use
something like an airplane trailer very much. So it is good to build it
such that you can reconfigure it for something else later. The Kitfox
trailer I built, I used exactly once. Then I sold it. I next made a utility
trailer, but made it so that the tongue can be replaced (longer or shorter)
and the axle can be moved. This way can reconfigure it for a lot of things
like hauling wings, or furniture, etc.
By the way the Kitfox trailer took me three weekends of work with a
chop saw, a mig welder, and an angle grinder for tools and about $500
in materials.
Regards,
Jeff
Here's another small trailer I made, it became a micro camper with a
removable shell that could be used as a utility/motorcycle trailer:
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