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rbwxx
Joined: 07 Feb 2008
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Location: Isle of Palms, SC
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 Posted: Tue Apr 14, 2009 4:20 pm Post subject: Crashing RV'sCrashing RV's |
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Low level acrobatics.
Rule number 1. Don’t do it.
Rule number 2. Don't do it on impulse.
Rule number 3. Don't ever, ever, ever try at low altitude that which you have not perfected 100 times at altitude.
Rule number 4. When you are upside down and in trouble, push. Push harder. It may not feel "right" but do it anyway.
An old fighter pilot who does not hold an ATP rating,
Dick Watson, Isle of Palms (Charleston), SC, 843-886-4533
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From: "Valovich, Paul" <pvalovich(at)dcscorp.com (pvalovich(at)dcscorp.com)>
Subject: Crashing RV's
Low-level acro. What are we doing to ourselves? --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------ NTSB Identification: CEN09LA236 14 CFR Part 91: General Aviation Accident occurred Saturday, April 04, 2009 in Brookshire, TX Aircraft: ARGENCE RV-8, registration: N89EA Injuries: 1 Serious. This is preliminary information, subject to change, and may contain errors. Any errors in this report will be corrected when the final report has been completed. On April 4, 2009, about 1440 central daylight time, a single-engine Argence RV-8 airplane, N89EA, was destroyed during impact with trees following a r oll during climb-out from the Mikeska Field Airport (1XA4), Brookshire, Tex as. The airline transport pilot, sole occupant, sustained serious injuries. The airplane was registered to and operated by the pilot. Visual meteorolo gical conditions prevailed and no flight plan was filed for the 14 Code of Federal Regulations Part 91 personal flight. According to several eyewitnesses, the accident airplane departed third in a flight of four airplanes. The pilot of the first airplane was observed do ing a roll on climb-out. The second airplane climbed-out normally. As the t hird and accident airplane was on climb-out the airplane was observed to do a roll. Witnesses reported that as the airplane's wings rolled back to a l evel attitude, the airplane impacted into trees and subsequently the ground . The pilot exited the airplane unassisted, but was later airlifted to a ho spital. The pilot had not been interviewed at the time of this report. It is not kn own if the roll was intentional or not. An inspector from the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) responded to th e accident site, and later reported that the airplane had been destroyed by a post crash fire. At 1453, the weather observation facility at the Sugar Land Regional Airpor t (SGR), near Houston, Texas, located 24 nautical miles southeast from the site of the accident, was reporting the wind from 170 degrees at 12 knots, visibility 10 statute miles, a broken ceiling at 4,300 feet and at 6,000 fe et, temperature 79 degrees Fahrenheit, dew point 63 degrees Fahrenheit, and a barometric pressure setting of 29.76 inches of Mercury. Index for Apr2009<[url=http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/AccList.asp?month=4&year 0 9]http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/AccList.asp?month=4&year 0 9[/url]> | Index of months<" target=otherpageshttp://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/Month.asp> --------------------------------------------------------------- NTSB Identification: ERA09LA229 14 CFR Part 91: General Aviation Accident occurred Saturday, April 04, 2009 in Englewood, FL Aircraft: Gaynor Donald J RV6A, registration: N88WG Injuries: 1 Fatal, 1 Serious. This is preliminary information, subject to change, and may contain errors. Any errors in this report will be corrected when the final report has been completed. On April 4, 2009, about 1435 eastern daylight time, a Donald J. Gaynor expe rimental amateur built RV-6A, N88WG, registered to and operated by a privat e individual, crashed into trees in Englewood, Florida. The certificated pr ivate pilot was killed, the passenger received serious injuries, and the ai rplane sustained substantial damage. The flight was operated as a personal flight under the provisions of 14 Code of Federal Regulations Part 91, and no flight plan was filed. Visual meteorological conditions prevailed at the time of the accident. The flight departed from the Venice Municipal Airpor t (VNC), Venice, Florida, at an undetermined time. Witnesses at a local gathering referred to as the "Redneck Roundup," stated that a white single engine airplane flew over their heads at what they est imated to be 300 feet and then the airplane did what some witnesses referre d to as a "barrel roll" and others referred to as a "loop." The airplane di sappeared from sight. Organizers of the roundup stated that there was no ai r show scheduled to be performed at the gathering. Examination of the airplane by a Federal Aviation Administration inspector found that the airplane had collided with trees in a heavily wooded area. T he wings and cockpit canopy had separated from the airplane. There was an i solated area of fire damage near the instrument panel and under the accesso ry section of the engine consistent with a postimpact fire. The airplane has been recovered from the accident site for further examinat ion. Index for Apr2009<[url=http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/AccList.asp?month=4&year 0 9]http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/AccList.asp?month=4&year 0 9[/url]> | Index of months<" target=otherpageshttp://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/Month.asp> [quote][b]
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Mark Phillips in TN
Joined: 10 Jan 2006
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Location: Columbia, TN
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| Posted: Tue Apr 14, 2009 4:52 pm Post subject: Crashing RV'sCrashing RV's |
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"When you are upside down and in trouble, push. Push harder. It may
not feel "right" but do it anyway. An old fighter pilot"
This one's going on the wall of my hangar and burned into my brain
cell- thanks, Dick!
do not archive
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| Posted: Tue Apr 14, 2009 4:54 pm Post subject: Crashing RV'sCrashing RV's |
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Terry Watson
Joined: 09 Jan 2006
Posts: 290
Location: Seattle, WA USA
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| Posted: Tue Apr 14, 2009 5:35 pm Post subject: Crashing RV'sCrashing RV's |
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Toward the end of my training in the T-37 at Williams AFB, Arizona in late ’64 or early ’65, my instructor and I were returning from the practice area when he, (Capt. Monte O. Lillard), said “I guess I had better show you how to do a low altitude aileron roll so you don’t kill yourself the first time you try it. Tighten your shoulder harness.” I remember thinking “Why the hell out I want to do a low altitude aileron roll?”, but with uncommon judgment, I didn’t say it out loud. I cinched up the lap belt and the shoulder harness and braced myself for whatever it was that he was going to do. Wham! We were upside down with my helmet slammed against the canopy and the cockpit filled with dust and debris and then just as quickly back right side up. Of course Capt. Lillard had rolled us over and with full aileron deflection while rapidly pushing the stick forward to keep us from losing altitude, then pulled the stick back again as we continued over to upright. I still remember two things about that little maneuver: first, how violent it was, and second, we didn’t seem to lose any altitude. I don’t remember what the g meter registered for negative g’s, but it was obviously more than I had expected.
Just to be clear, we were at altitude when he did this.
Terry
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| Posted: Tue Apr 14, 2009 5:46 pm Post subject: Crashing RV'sCrashing RV's |
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Whether you’re doing loops or rolls in any airplane, always check your altitude before and after your maneuver.(Obviously, check your entry speed too) If you’re doing it right, you won’t lose 10’. Make it part of your practice. Also keep in mind that you must compensate for the extra wait if you have a passenger in your RV. When you do a loop, you must remember to release the back pressure once you’ve past vertical on your way up and let it gain the needed altitude. ( I like to use about a half G going over the top) You don’t need to pull a lot of G’s either. I never pull more than 3.5 G’s – ever! Most of us don’t have inverted systems in our RVs so we do aileron rolls instead of “slow rolls”. If you release the back pressure when rolling inverted,(half G) you won’t have to pull up as much at entry and you will and you’ll have a better chance of finishing at the same altitude you started. When you practice, always do it at altitude and think each maneuver out thoroughly ahead of time. RV’s are clean and pick up speed super fast when the nose is below the horizon. When you find yourself nose low and inverted, roll out rather than split-S out! All the above are just my opinions. I also think the 4 Rules are right on target and they might just save a life!
Ken Cantrell
RV-6 – 815 hrs.
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