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airvair601(at)yahoo.com
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Posted: Thu Apr 16, 2009 4:55 am Post subject: Flight training in homebuilt -update

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Thanks for all the answers.  



I think I have a good feel for the rules and how to comply. 



We are building the panel for nighttime VFR and have the minimum equipment list.



  What I had not thought of was the instrument requirements for flight training. 



 I donâ€™t have the latest version of practical test standard for the USA for PPSEL. 



We currently have no vacuum instruments planned, but could easily modify this at the current stage of building.

 We have an electric - dog house- turn and bank and whiskey compass. One com and transponder (mod C), no nav. 



 We could acquire a venturi driven AI and DG for about the cost of renting another plane for a few hours.

  If I recall the instrument requirements dealt with unusual attitudes and getting in and out of Class C airspace.

 Keep in mind the goal is to get a PPSEL rating to be able to fly daytime VFR on cloudless days.

 We know our personal limits and are trying to comply with the regs in a cost effective fashion. 



 The good news is one of us has a PPSEL rating and we can always fly to the best instructor/examiner situation etc.

 Does anyone know what the current test standards are and what experience you need with regard to instruments?



  Is it up to the instructor's discretion that you prove something? 



Like unusual attitudes or does it require flight experience with specific instruments? 



I guess you canâ€™t get license with a J3 club like the old days.

 Ainâ€™t technology grand.



  

Phill Hartig



  

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BobCollins

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Location: Sunnyvale CA USA

Posted: Thu Apr 16, 2009 8:38 am Post subject: Flight training in homebuilt -update

Phill,

I got my PPSEL in a Citabria 7ECA which only had an "dog house- turn and 

bank and whiskey compass", and a radio with a nav (GPS). I am quite sure 

you don't need more than this for the unusual attitudes part of the 

test. I do believe that you will need some kind of nav though.



Bob Collins

Sunnyvale CA USA

601corvair wrote:

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 Thanks for all the answers. 



 I think I have a good feel for the rules and how to comply.



 We are building the panel for nighttime VFR and have the minimum 

 equipment list.



   What I had not thought of was the instrument requirements for flight 

 training.



 I donâ€™t have the latest version of practical test standard for the USA 

 for PPSEL.



 We currently have no vacuum instruments planned, but could easily 

 modify this at the current stage of building.



 We have an electric - dog house- turn and bank and whiskey compass. 

 One com and transponder (mod C), no nav.



 We could acquire a venturi driven AI and DG for about the cost of 

 renting another plane for a few hours.



   If I recall the instrument requirements dealt with unusual attitudes 

 and getting in and out of Class C airspace.



 Keep in mind the goal is to get a PPSEL rating to be able to fly 

 daytime VFR on cloudless days.



 We know our personal limits and are trying to comply with the regs in 

 a cost effective fashion.



 The good news is one of us has a PPSEL rating and we can always fly to 

 the best instructor/examiner situation etc.



 Does anyone know what the current test standards are and what 

 experience you need with regard to instruments?



   Is it up to the instructor's discretion that you prove something?



 Like unusual attitudes or does it require flight experience with 

 specific instruments?



 I guess you canâ€™t get license with a J3 club like the old days.



 Ainâ€™t technology grand.

 Phill Hartig



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dkbrooks(at)gmail.com
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Posted: Thu Apr 16, 2009 8:58 am Post subject: Flight training in homebuilt -update

I know this isn't really a home-built answer, but I do know people who are currently pursuing their private pilot license in a 1947 J3 cub that has no electrical system, no radios, a cork-on-a-stick fuel gauge, not even an electric starter (you do have to find an examiner that can hand-prop the plane - not too hard around here).  I believe the student ends up with a PPSEL license with limitations, but it can be done.  

 

I am currently after my Sport Pilot license in the same plane - I will "step up" to the 172 for the radio work, radio-nav, night flight, etc. for the PP as soon as I am done the the SP license.  Is this the long way around?  Sure, but the idea of taking the check ride and getting my first license in the Cub is just too romantic and silly to pass up.  How many people get to take a check ride in a Cub these days?  

 

Dave

On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 12:35 PM, Bob Collins <bobcollins42(at)gmail.com (bobcollins42(at)gmail.com)> wrote:

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 Phill,

 I got my PPSEL in a Citabria 7ECA which only had an "dog house- turn and bank and whiskey compass", and a radio with a nav (GPS). I am quite sure you don't need more than this for the unusual attitudes part of the test. I do believe that you will need some kind of nav though.

  

 Bob Collins

 Sunnyvale CA USA



 

 

 601corvair wrote:

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 Thanks for all the answers. 

 I think I have a good feel for the rules and how to comply.

 

 We are building the panel for nighttime VFR and have the minimum equipment list.

 

   What I had not thought of was the instrument requirements for flight training.

 

 I don’t have the latest version of practical test standard for the USA for PPSEL.

 

 We currently have no vacuum instruments planned, but could easily modify this at the current stage of building.

 

 We have an electric - dog house- turn and bank and whiskey compass. One com and transponder (mod C), no nav.

 

 We could acquire a venturi driven AI and DG for about the cost of renting another plane for a few hours.

 

   If I recall the instrument requirements dealt with unusual attitudes and getting in and out of Class C airspace.

 

 Keep in mind the goal is to get a PPSEL rating to be able to fly daytime VFR on cloudless days.

 

 We know our personal limits and are trying to comply with the regs in a cost effective fashion.

 

 The good news is one of us has a PPSEL rating and we can always fly to the best instructor/examiner situation etc.

 

 Does anyone know what the current test standards are and what experience you need with regard to instruments?

 

   Is it up to the instructor's discretion that you prove something?

 

 Like unusual attitudes or does it require flight experience with specific instruments?

 

 I guess you can’t get license with a J3 club like the old days.

 

 Ain’t technology grand.

 

 

 Phill Hartig

 

 

 

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