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indigoonlatigo(at)msn.com
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Posted: Fri Mar 24, 2006 8:13 am Post subject: Survey Question about hangers.

Since this list represents a wide swoth of folks across the country, in your 

neck of the woods, how difficult is it to get a hanger.



Here in southern California, it seems nearly impossible until someone losses 

their medical of passes away due to old age.  Then there are planes that 

don't ever leave the hanger, tinkering projects.



Then there are folks storing cars in the hangers and the county can't get 

them out because it takes too much legal effort.



The Rose Parade may make people think what a wonderful place to live it is, 

but a person with a new airplane, fresh paint and no garage to store it in, 

makes me really wonder.  We still have plenty of land at the airports, but 

it seems the county doesn't want a larger conflict with developers as the 

homes close in around the airports.  I am speaking of rural areas, not urban 

ones.



Lastly, there is the capitalist marketplace, a wealthy person buys all the 

hangers up and then rents or leases them at 2 to 3 times the rate because 

there is nothing left.  Great!  What were the reasons I decided to build my 

plane rather than just plop down 500K?



I would like to know how it is across the country?



Sorry for the RANT!



Thanks,



John Gonzalez

flysrv10(at)gmail.com
Guest

Posted: Fri Mar 24, 2006 8:30 am Post subject: Survey Question about hangers.

I moved to Las Cruces, NM last year.  The city has a great airport,

lots room and very friendly people but guess what?  No T hangars!  In

spite of room to build hangars, the city lacked the underground

infrastructure to build them.  You could build a huge hangar and

perhaps lose it at the end of your 20 year lease to the city.



I feel your pain.  I quit my job that I loved in Las Cruces and

returned to Florida where I live on an airport community.



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On 3/24/06, John Gonzalez <indigoonlatigo(at)msn.com> wrote:

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 Since this list represents a wide swoth of folks across the country, in your

 neck of the woods, how difficult is it to get a hanger.



 Here in southern California, it seems nearly impossible until someone losses

 their medical of passes away due to old age.  Then there are planes that

 don't ever leave the hanger, tinkering projects.



 Then there are folks storing cars in the hangers and the county can't get

 them out because it takes too much legal effort.



 The Rose Parade may make people think what a wonderful place to live it is,

 but a person with a new airplane, fresh paint and no garage to store it in,

 makes me really wonder.  We still have plenty of land at the airports, but

 it seems the county doesn't want a larger conflict with developers as the

 homes close in around the airports.  I am speaking of rural areas, not urban

 ones.



 Lastly, there is the capitalist marketplace, a wealthy person buys all the

 hangers up and then rents or leases them at 2 to 3 times the rate because

 there is nothing left.  Great!  What were the reasons I decided to build my

 plane rather than just plop down 500K?



 I would like to know how it is across the country?



 Sorry for the RANT!



 Thanks,



 John Gonzalez

jjessen(at)rcn.com
Guest

Posted: Fri Mar 24, 2006 8:31 am Post subject: Survey Question about hangers.

350 per month outside Portland OR.



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jdalton77(at)comcast.net
Guest

Posted: Fri Mar 24, 2006 9:06 am Post subject: Survey Question about hangers.

At KPTK they are building new hangars that will be $350.  I'm paying $150 

for a "month-to-month" as the tear down the old ones.  Mine has been on the 

tear-down list for 2 years now ...

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jfrjr(at)adelphia.net
Guest

Posted: Fri Mar 24, 2006 9:16 am Post subject: Survey Question about hangers.

$300/month in Augusta, Maine for a crummy (the tires rest in 3" holes in the 

asphalt floors and the pigeons use the planes for target practice) T hanger. 

Jay Rowe

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rvlist(at)rv9a.deru.com
Guest

Posted: Fri Mar 24, 2006 9:18 am Post subject: Survey Question about hangers.

John Gonzalez wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		   Here in southern California, it seems nearly impossible until someone 

 losses their medical of passes away due to old age.  Then there are 

 planes that don't ever leave the hanger, tinkering projects.


	


For a small T-hangar at Goodyear (west of Phoenix, AZ), I had to wait

18 months on the waiting list.  Until that became available, I was lucky 

enough to find a privately owned hangar at Glendale that I rented while 

I was in the final assembly stage.



The east side of Phoenix is much worse, with at least a 5 year wait. 

When I called the folks at Scottsdale airport, they just kind of laughed 

and said at best it is a 20 year wait, but I could sign up my grandkids 

if I wanted to and maybe they could get in.



There are very few new hangars being built in spite of the vast expanses 

of land at some of the airports here.  I think legal issues and dealing 

with the cities is probably the biggest obstacle to new development.



There are some airparks around, but the ones closest to Phoenix are as 

ridiculous as the rest of the housing market.  You can't look at them 

unless you are willing to spend at least $500K.

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Tim Coldenhoff

N194TC - 2.5L Egg Subaru powered RV9a

http://rv9a.deru.com

phil(at)asibuildings.com
Guest

Posted: Fri Mar 24, 2006 9:56 am Post subject: Survey Question about hangers.

John,



Here in Prescott, AZ I had to wait for 3 years to get a "T" hangar.  The

hangar costs $278 a month which I find quite reasonable.  I got teased

quite a bit for not having a hangar as I sell hangars for living.



Phil

40122, working on interior



At 08:12 AM 3/24/2006 -0800, you wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		  



Since this list represents a wide swoth of folks across the country, in your 

neck of the woods, how difficult is it to get a hanger.



Here in southern California, it seems nearly impossible until someone losses 

their medical of passes away due to old age.  Then there are planes that 

don't ever leave the hanger, tinkering projects.



Then there are folks storing cars in the hangers and the county can't get 

them out because it takes too much legal effort.



The Rose Parade may make people think what a wonderful place to live it is, 

but a person with a new airplane, fresh paint and no garage to store it in, 

makes me really wonder.  We still have plenty of land at the airports, but 

it seems the county doesn't want a larger conflict with developers as the 

homes close in around the airports.  I am speaking of rural areas, not urban 

ones.



Lastly, there is the capitalist marketplace, a wealthy person buys all the 

hangers up and then rents or leases them at 2 to 3 times the rate because 

there is nothing left.  Great!  What were the reasons I decided to build my 

plane rather than just plop down 500K?



I would like to know how it is across the country?



Sorry for the RANT!



Thanks,



John Gonzalez

jhasbrouck(at)woh.rr.com
Guest

Posted: Fri Mar 24, 2006 11:10 am Post subject: Survey Question about hangers.

John,

    Here in the Dayton, Ohio area hangar space is also at a premium.  I'm on 

a  list at two local airports with very little hope of getting one anytime 

soon.  If you can get one however, the prices are "reasonable".  MGY hangars 

go for $175.00/month and I19 hangars are in a range that tops out around 

$250.00/month as I recall.  All are fully enclosed with concrete floors and 

electric power.  I've investigated building some but haven't found any real 

support from the city or county that owns the land which, I suspect, is why 

no new hangars are going up.  I could not find a way to make building a row 

of hangars to rent that made any sense financially.



John Hasbrouck

#40264

mike(at)cleavelandtool.co
Guest

Posted: Fri Mar 24, 2006 12:16 pm Post subject: Survey Question about hangers.

Here in Mayberry we have a different problem.



I have been trying to get some hangars built for private ownership.  The

city is willing to lease the land for peanuts, all of the current hangars

are full, the waiting list is long... The problem is we are having a hard

time finding people to commit to purchasing a unit ($35,000 each for an

insulated 35'x40' rectangle with electric bifold and full concrete).  The

reason for the lack of interest is that people can't get their head wrapped

around paying $200/mo. for a hangar when the current T hangars that are

about to fall over are only costing $55/mo.  The city won't raise the price

of the T hangars because they are so old.  



So what you guys should do is pull up stakes and move to Boone, Iowa. 

You can afford a hangar here. 

There is a builders group here housing at least half a dozen RV projects

with cheap project space rent (two of them RV-10's & three more -10s within

40 miles).  ( $90/mo. http://wcaircraft.com/pages/16/index.htm )

We have an RV Fly In every spring.

We are midway to everywhere.

Cost of living and crime rate is the lowest you will find anywhere.

Hey there's even a local RV tool dealer.

So how about it, lets start the first RV-10 only airpark 



-Do Not Archive-



Mike





Mike Lauritsen

Cleaveland Aircraft Tool

2225 First St. 

Boone, Iowa 50036

515-432-6794

mike(at)cleavelandtool.com

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jwik(at)crary.com
Guest

Posted: Fri Mar 24, 2006 1:40 pm Post subject: Survey Question about hangers.

Fergus Falls Mn put together the following,  which got 6 new hangers built:

 No land lease for 5 years,  1/2 the state average for the next 5

 4%, 12 year loan,  I think it's from some block grant money.

 I built a 50 X 60, room for two planes and a 18X50 sectioned off for building a "10"

 Tee hangers were full however and going for $100 - $125

 

 Boone is close enough to fly my PA-22 and check progress on all those RV-10's   I'd like to get the contact for each  to try to do that one saturday this spring.

 

 #40536  Horiz Stabilizer

 

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 Mike Lauritsen - Work wrote:

 [quote]   [quote]--> RV10-List message posted by: "Mike Lauritsen - Work" <mike(at)cleavelandtool.com> (mike(at)cleavelandtool.com)  Here in Mayberry we have a different problem.  I have been trying to get some hangars built for private ownership.  The city is willing to lease the land for peanuts, all of the current hangars are full, the waiting list is long... The problem is we are having a hard time finding people to commit to purchasing a unit ($35,000 each for an insulated 35'x40' rectangle with electric bifold and full concrete).  The reason for the lack of interest is that people can't get their head wrapped around paying $200/mo. for a hangar when the current T hangars that are about to fall over are only costing $55/mo.  The city won't raise the price of the T hangars because they are so old.    So what you guys should do is pull up stakes and move to Boone, Iowa.  You can afford a hangar here.  There is a builders group here housing at least half a dozen RV projects with cheap project space rent (two of them RV-10's & three more -10s within 40 miles).  ( $90/mo. mike(at)cleavelandtool.com (mike(at)cleavelandtool.com)   --

GRANSCOTT(at)aol.com
Guest

Posted: Fri Mar 24, 2006 3:40 pm Post subject: Survey Question about hangers.

John,

  

 At my port...N57 it's $280...open T hangars...waiting list...private strip  so getting on the list does not guarantee you'll ever get a spot...airport  nearby...condo hangars...began at $40k now above $80k and you lease the ground  under the hangar, about what I pay for my hangar...but they are nice private  hangar...N99...so the down stroke is heavy but the payback has beat inflation my  miles...up in NJ, MA and NY it's very pricey and not many spots.

  

 P

  

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pitts_pilot(at)bellsouth.
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Posted: Fri Mar 24, 2006 5:33 pm Post subject: Survey Question about hangers.

Mike Lauritsen - Work wrote:

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Here in Mayberry we have a different problem.



I have been trying to get some hangars built for private ownership.  The

city is willing to lease the land for peanuts, all of the current hangars

are full, the waiting list is long... The problem is we are having a hard

time finding people to commit to purchasing a unit ($35,000 each for an

insulated 35'x40' rectangle with electric bifold and full concrete).  The

reason for the lack of interest is that people can't get their head wrapped

around paying $200/mo. for a hangar when the current T hangars that are

about to fall over are only costing $55/mo.  The city won't raise the price

of the T hangars because they are so old. 	
 	
 They need to unwrap thier head.  Their $200/month is an investment.  Depending on the lease terms, when they don't want to fly anymore, they can sell the hangar for what they have in it and take over payments.  If you build it, they will come.  That bargain $55/month hangar won't look so cheap when a storm blows through and mashes their pride and joy to the ground.  Of course, the money they save on hangar rent will go towards hull insurance ..... if they want to go that route.

 

 If you can't seem to get your (not mike here) airport owners to build hangars, and they balk at a long term lease for land to permit you to build your own 'condo' hangar, present your case to the local FSDO and complain that you're being discriminated against.  You have to be 'in their face' and press your case diligently.  If the airport has received federal (or sometimes state) funds, you may get some relief.  Bear in mind that the FSDO folks really don't want to do ANYTHING so you have to be persistent, and maybe even move your complaint up the line.

 Linn

 [quote]   [quote] -Do Not Archive-  Mike     Mike Lauritsen Cleaveland Aircraft Tool 2225 First St.  Boone, Iowa 50036 515-432-6794 mike(at)cleavelandtool.com (mike(at)cleavelandtool.com)   --

Mani Ravee

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 7
Location: Indianapolis

Posted: Fri Mar 24, 2006 5:49 pm Post subject: Survey Question about hangers.

What do you guys think about leasing the land and building your own? If that

is allowed and available in the place you are at. The mortgage payment on a

hangar like that will be reasonable. Plus you can heat and insulate it.

Plasma TV with Wifi even!

Mani



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