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Cwehner
Joined: 15 Jan 2009
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Location: Tulsa, OK
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 Posted: Mon Apr 20, 2009 12:11 am Post subject: New Control stick |
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After being inspired by a friends Schweitzer (helicopter) control stick I decided to design and fabricate new control sticks that would keep the grip in the same location as the stock grip but have absolutely no contact with the seat in aft positions. After finally talking a local tube bending machine shop into taking a crack at it (without a minimum order of a 100 sticks) here's what I came up with. Our new grips were a few inches taller than the generic stock grips so I was able to modify them to have the stick enter through the front instead of the bottom thus lowering the grip an inch without lowering the stick. Shot it with an etching primer and an auto urethane to match the plane powder-coat.
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Cwehner
Joined: 15 Jan 2009
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Location: Tulsa, OK
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| Posted: Mon Apr 20, 2009 7:05 am Post subject: Re: New Control stick |
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I also wanted to add that We'll be making the sticks removable (also inspired by my friends Schweitzer). I'm 6'4" and have a really hard time getting in and out with either stick. Instead of an AN3 bolt holding them in place, there will be a quick release ball lock pin. here- http://www.carrlane.com/Catalog/index.cfm/27625071F0B221118070C1C513E111D081B0006280B1713050245221E0107070F1A3C3B28535640
And the wires will be connectect with a military quick release Cannon plug. here- http://www.ittcannon.com/product.aspx?id=1102
This is how my friends certified Helicopter has them done and it seems to work extremely well. It's so easy to get out of the plane with the stick not in it.
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Paul A. Franz, P.E.
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Location: Bellevue WA
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| Posted: Mon Apr 20, 2009 8:49 am Post subject: New Control stick |
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On Mon, April 20, 2009 8:05 am, Cwehner wrote:
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I also wanted to add that We'll be making the sticks removable (also inspired by my
friends Schweitzer). I'm 6'4" and have a really hard time getting in and out with
either stick. Instead of an AN3 bolt holding them in place, there will be a quick
release ball lock pin. here- http://www.fixtureworks.net/Home/Tec...humbPath=5|0|0
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That link isn't a good one. I did a little fishing around and maybe you meant this one
(as a tinyurl):
<http://preview.tinyurl.com/cbuwpf>
There's other's nearby though.
If I understand you correctly, every time you get in and out of your plane you will be
unplugging this connector? I have an inclination to believe that this connector isn't
intended for such frequent usage. But maybe you won't often have to disconnect it.
Just pulling the lock pin and laying the stick to the side might be all you actually
do most of the time.
Thanks for the sources of these items.
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Paul A. Franz
Registration/Aircraft - N14UW/Merlin GT
Engine/Prop - Rotax 914/NSI CAP
Bellevue WA
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Av8r3400
Joined: 22 Sep 2008
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Location: North Central Wisconsin (KRRL)
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| Posted: Mon Apr 20, 2009 9:11 am Post subject: Re: New Control stick |
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If I understand you correctly, every time you get in and out of your plane you will be
unplugging this connector? I have an inclination to believe that this connector isn't
intended for such frequent usage. But maybe you won't often have to disconnect it.
Just pulling the lock pin and laying the stick to the side might be all you actually
do most of the time.
Thanks for the sources of these items.
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P |
In Industry we call those Amphenol connectors.
http://www.newark.com/jsp/brand/brands.jsp?mfg=AMPH&CMP=KNC-G10000027&HBX_PK=amphenol&HBX_OU=50&s_kwcid=TC
They are for frequent use, especially the quick couplers like the one shown.
Awesome idea.
The ball-lock pin is a great idea too...
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Cwehner
Joined: 15 Jan 2009
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Location: Tulsa, OK
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| Posted: Mon Apr 20, 2009 10:16 pm Post subject: Re: New Control stick |
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| WurlyBird wrote: | | If you had ordered 100 copies, I sure would have taken a couple off your hands. I'm just sayin . . . :D |
It seemed all the places around here with the proper equipment to do such a task were used to bending bigger more industrial pipe. After telling me that they weren't sure how they would turn out because of diameter and the thin wall, I was afraid I would end up with 100 ugly paper weights.....or I might have ordered 100 :D
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Tom Jones
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| Posted: Tue Apr 21, 2009 6:49 am Post subject: Re: New Control stick |
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Chris, Just some ideas, maybe I'm all wet. Without the stick contacting the seat, strong arm force will be put on the elevator control tubes and rod ends at full aft elevator when the rod end at the aft end of the control tube contacts the vertical fin tail post. You will have some pretty significant leverage advantage on those parts with the stick Might want to caution anyone else that might fly the plane to stop pulling when the stop is felt. It is a very nice looking modification.
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Cwehner
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| Posted: Tue Apr 21, 2009 7:15 am Post subject: Re: New Control stick |
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| Tom Jones wrote: | | Chris, Just some ideas, maybe I'm all wet. Without the stick contacting the seat, strong arm force will be put on the elevator control tubes and rod ends at full aft elevator when the rod end at the aft end of the control tube contacts the vertical fin tail post. You will have some pretty significant leverage advantage on those parts with the stick Might want to caution anyone else that might fly the plane to stop pulling when the stop is felt. It is a very nice looking modification. |
Hey Tom, You have a good point and I should have described that portion a little better. About 3" from the bottom of the stick at the point where it bends forward, it actually stops on the seat bar at the same time that the elevator stop is reached. what I meant by not touching the seat was that the stick is not buried in the cushion when aft. the stick still stops on the front seat bar.
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