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Gig Giacona

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 1416
Location: El Dorado Arkansas USA

Posted: Tue Apr 28, 2009 7:15 am Post subject: Does the Zenith List Need A Moderator / List Admin

I found out yesterday that some of the Matronics lists have moderators. I then emailed Matt and suggested that the Zenith list probably needs one.



First, I am not applying for the job. If nominated I will not run, if elected I will not serve. But I'm sure many of you will agree that this place is going to hell in a handbag and that is sad.



I haven't received a reply from Matt but if you agree or disagree please reply to this message and I'll point Matt to what the list's feelings on the issue.

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tigerrick(at)mindspring.c
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Posted: Tue Apr 28, 2009 7:59 am Post subject: Does the Zenith List Need A Moderator / List Admin

I dunno, Gig. I see the need for moderators on things like political sites, but a builder's site is a bit different. We're SUPPOSED to be talking about airplanes (specifically their construction and operation) here, but sometimes it turns into someone trying to force their opinion up our butts or get recognized as a minor diety from splitting a Buick in two with their bare hands.



Personally, I prefer an unmoderated forum, even if the subject tends to drift off course occasionally. Even with all the vitriol and finger-pointing, I'd much rather entertain all the varied perspectives than have a Net Nanny rapping my knuckles with a ruler whenever the envelope was pushed a bit.



And if people act like clods occasionally, I say let 'em. How else are you gonna know who not to sit next to at the BBQ?



Freedom good. Censorship bad.



Rick



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jaybannist(at)cs.com
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Posted: Tue Apr 28, 2009 8:04 am Post subject: Does the Zenith List Need A Moderator / List Admin

AGREE !!

 

   

 

   

 

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carlossa52(at)gmail.com
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Posted: Tue Apr 28, 2009 8:30 am Post subject: Does the Zenith List Need A Moderator / List Admin

Please ! As long as the function of the moderator is to enforce the already existing (but frequently not observed) matronics guidelines.



Carlos

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2009/4/28 Gig Giacona <wrgiacona(at)gmail.com (wrgiacona(at)gmail.com)>

 [quote]--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Gig Giacona" <wrgiacona(at)gmail.com (wrgiacona(at)gmail.com)>

  

 I found out yesterday that some of the Matronics lists have moderators. I then emailed Matt and suggested that the Zenith list probably needs one.

 

 First, I am not applying for the job. If nominated I will not run, if elected I will not serve. But I'm sure many of you will agree that this place is going to hell in a handbag and that is sad.

 

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jaybannist(at)cs.com
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Posted: Tue Apr 28, 2009 8:34 am Post subject: Does the Zenith List Need A Moderator / List Admin

Rick,

 

 Remember, freedom of speech still doesn't allow yelling "FIRE" in a crowded theater when there is none. Neither should freedom of speech allow posters to violate the rules of this forum.  One of those rules is no personal attacks.  You and I know that this is commonly violated and, in my opinion, those attacks SHOULD be censored. 

 

 I know I am not the guy to do that, but I do believe that there is a level-headed, responsible person out there that could. I recognize that finding and electing that person might pose a problem. 

 

 My totally unbiased but humble opinion - Jay

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Gig Giacona

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
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Location: El Dorado Arkansas USA

Posted: Tue Apr 28, 2009 8:37 am Post subject: Re: Does the Zenith List Need A Moderator / List Admin

Rick I actually agree with you. I hate moderated forums. BUT...



It is my feeling we have reached a point where the list is losing its ability to do what it is supposed to. And while "This too shall pass," may come into play people are leaving the list now and something needs to be done about it.



What I propose is a system where only the real problems get screened. We'd have to work with Matt on the actual process because there are really two lists within each list. First the traditional email list and then the web forum. 



We might even be able to or even have to deal with it in a suspension/ban method where 3 or 5 members are selected and if they agree a poster has gotten out of line that the poster be first warned then suspended from posting then banned. Again we would have to work with Matt on the how.



I'm in no way suggesting that off topic or even heated interchanges of ideas be banned. What I would like to see is some civility returned and the only way I see that happening is some level of moderation when a poster goes off the reservation.



And there are people on both sides of the fence of late that may have gone over the line somewhat. 



If you have a better way to deal with it Rick please speak up.



 



 	  tigerrick(at)mindspring.c wrote: 	
		  I dunno, Gig. I see the need for moderators on things like political sites, but a builder's site is a bit different. We're SUPPOSED to be talking about airplanes (specifically their construction and operation) here, but sometimes it turns into someone trying to force their opinion up our butts or get recognized as a minor diety from splitting a Buick in two with their bare hands.

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Posted: Tue Apr 28, 2009 9:17 am Post subject: Does the Zenith List Need A Moderator / List Admin

Concerning the prospect of a moderator, I'm just one vote, but I think things would need to get much worse before we need a moderator or committee of moderators.  As I said before, I do not find it difficult at all to separate the wheat from the chaff on this forum.

 

 Cheers,

 Bill

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tigerrick(at)mindspring.c
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Posted: Tue Apr 28, 2009 10:16 am Post subject: Does the Zenith List Need A Moderator / List Admin

Hi, Jay!



Yelling FIRE in a theatre may have disasterous consequences, but occasionally pointing out that someone is a baboon results in what real damage? Hurt feelings? Bruised egos?



I agree that personal attacks have no place here, but it's really up to us to avoid engaging in such behavior. And we should remain free to question the motives of anyone who is on the attack, and not depend on someone else to decide for us. And when someone really steps over the line, I haven't seen any great reluctance here for others to call BS. As it should be.



Yeah, and I don't especially like autopilots, either.  



Rick



PS And if you ever do find that "level-headed, responsible person", make them run for public office! Quick!!



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bryanmmartin

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 1018

Posted: Tue Apr 28, 2009 10:43 am Post subject: Does the Zenith List Need A Moderator / List Admin

I don't think we need a moderator. It's not that difficult create a  

rule in my mail client to block anyone I no longer care to hear from.  

It wouldn't be so easy for the digest subscribers though.



On Apr 28, 2009, at 11:15 AM, Gig Giacona wrote:



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 I found out yesterday that some of the Matronics lists have  

 moderators. I then emailed Matt and suggested that the Zenith list  

 probably needs one.



 First, I am not applying for the job. If nominated I will not run,  

 if elected I will not serve. But I'm sure many of you will agree  

 that this place is going to hell in a handbag and that is sad.



 I haven't received a reply from Matt but if you agree or disagree  

 please reply to this message and I'll point Matt to what the list's  

 feelings on the issue.




	




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jaybannist(at)cs.com
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Posted: Tue Apr 28, 2009 11:12 am Post subject: Does the Zenith List Need A Moderator / List Admin

Rick,

 

 Just a clarification: My point was not about consequences.  I just wanted to point out that there are some very legitimate limitations on free speech. I've got a pretty thick hide myself, so I can take some abuse.  But there are forum rules and if there is not a need for them or they are not enforced, why even have them?  I happen to think they are good rules and that they should be enforced, somehow.  Obviously, there are some that adamantly (or ignorantly) disagree; and those folks seem to contribute nothing but a combative free for all. I would like to see us get back to the real purpose of the forum

 

 Jay

 

   

 

   

 

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d.goddard(at)ns.sympatico
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Posted: Tue Apr 28, 2009 12:28 pm Post subject: Does the Zenith List Need A Moderator / List Admin

Absolutely right! Yes it sucks that anyone should have to put up with 

someone actually disagreeing with them, but the opposite is undoubtedly far 

worse. I find almost everything one member here says to be offensive, so far 

it hasn't lost me any sleep.



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JohnDRead(at)aol.com
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Posted: Tue Apr 28, 2009 2:52 pm Post subject: Does the Zenith List Need A Moderator / List Admin

Monitor definitely needed. do not archive

  

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Posted: Tue Apr 28, 2009 3:09 pm Post subject: Does the Zenith List Need A Moderator / List Admin

I vote for NO moderator, monitor or whatever you want to call it. Ya don't like what ya see, simply hit the DELETE key.. 

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Ron Lendon

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
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Location: Clinton Twp., MI

Posted: Tue Apr 28, 2009 4:51 pm Post subject: Re: Does the Zenith List Need A Moderator / List Admin

No moderator. Let's talk about building.

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