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rv6n(at)optonline.net
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Posted: Sat May 02, 2009 6:11 pm Post subject: converting an RV to LSA

6nbsp;Dear RVers

  6nbsp;

 This might sound ridiculous 6nbsp;but does anyone know if it is possible to convert a registered RV6 to fly within the LSA 6nbsp;guidelines? 6nbsp; I know it might take mountains of changes but I am just wondering if it is at all possible E 6nbsp; Some of the obstacles 6nbsp;to overcome would 6nbsp;include addressing the the weight C I think that might be possible by stripping out all the niceties and getting back to only what is basic E 6nbsp; Another way to reduce the weight 6nbsp;is by doing what one of the LSA 6nbsp;companies do which is to just say that the baggage capacity is now only xx instead of what it is actually capable of E 6nbsp; The next concern is speed at full power E 6nbsp; With the existing O-360 this might be difficult E 6nbsp; One LSA 6nbsp;company uses a ground adjustable prop to limit the max speed of their airplane C so I am sure that would help E 6nbsp; Eliminating the good looking wheel pants could add some drag too E Some props have RPM restrictions which must be adhered 6nbsp;to willingly E 6nbsp; Can the operating limitations specify a maximum speed of 120 kts 6nbsp;or an RPM that limits the speed to 120 kts E 6nbsp; Some LSAs 6nbsp;have a higher RPM for a maximum number of minutes 6nbsp;for take-off and then a reduced RPM thereafter E 6nbsp; How could the clean stall speed be reduced to 52 MPH? 6nbsp; Would the lighter weight and maybe some vortex generators accomplish that? 6nbsp; From what I have read C no plane can be flown as an LSA 6nbsp;unless it has always been able to fly within the parameters of 6nbsp;one C so C is it possible to de-register my RV6 C surrender the data plate 6nbsp;and re-register it as a plane that is capable of flying within the LSA 6nbsp;parameters E

  6nbsp;

 Maybe I am crazy for wondering about this but I am not interested in building another plane  Cthe market has been too soft for selling at a reasonable price 6nbsp;and I don 7t want to spend  4125 C000 for an LSA E 6nbsp; I am sure I am not the only one with a medical problem that has wondered this C so is this doable 6nbsp;or just a foolish wish E 6nbsp;

  6nbsp;

 Bob

dougsnash

Joined: 14 Apr 2008
Posts: 281

Posted: Sat May 02, 2009 6:33 pm Post subject: converting an RV to LSA

Bob, I'm no expert (being from Canada ie:no LSA here) but from what I understand, once an aircraft has had a registered gross weight of over 1320 lbs, it can never be an LSA no matter what you do to it.



Building a new RV, it might be possible but not likely doable with a already built aircraft.



Doug MacDonald

NW Ontario, Canada

RV-4 dreamer



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--- On Sat, 5/2/09, rv6n(at)optonline.net <rv6n(at)optonline.net> wrote:



 	  Quote: 	
		   From: rv6n(at)optonline.net <rv6n(at)optonline.net>

 Subject: converting an RV to LSA

 To: "rv-list(at)matronics.com" <rv-list(at)matronics.com>

 Received: Saturday, May 2, 2009, 9:08 PM

 Dear RVers

  

 This might sound ridiculous but does anyone know if it is

 possible to convert a registered RV6 to fly within the LSA

 guidelines?  I know it might take mountains of changes but I

 am just wondering if it is at all possible.  Some of the

 obstacles to overcome would include addressing the the

 weight, I think that might be possible by stripping out all

 the niceties and getting back to only what is basic. 

 Another way to reduce the weight is by doing what one of the

 LSA companies do which is to just say that the baggage

 capacity is now only xx instead of what it is actually

 capable of.  The next concern is speed at full power.  With

 the existing O-360 this might be difficult.  One LSA company

 uses a ground adjustable prop to limit the max speed of

 their airplane, so I am sure that would help.  Eliminating

 the good looking wheel pants could add some drag too. Some

 props have RPM restrictions which must be adhered to

 willingly.  Can the operating limitations specify a maximum

 speed of 120 kts or an RPM that limits the speed to 120 kts.

  Some LSAs have a higher RPM for a maximum number of minutes

 for take-off and then a reduced RPM thereafter.  How could

 the clean stall speed be reduced to 52 MPH?  Would the

 lighter weight and maybe some vortex generators accomplish

 that?  From what I have read, no plane can be flown as an

 LSA unless it has always been able to fly within the

 parameters of one, so, is it possible to de-register my RV6,

 surrender the data plate and re-register it as a plane that

 is capable of flying within the LSA parameters.

  

 Maybe I am crazy for wondering about this but I am not

 interested in building another plane ,the market has been

 too soft for selling at a reasonable price and I don't

 want to spend $125,000 for an LSA.  I am sure I am not the

 only one with a medical problem that has wondered this, so

 is this doable or just a foolish wish. 

  

 Bob


	




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Posted: Sat May 02, 2009 7:23 pm Post subject: converting an RV to LSA

Convert it by selling it and building Van's light sport (RV12), and, have money left over!

Scott 

--- On Sat, 5/2/09, rv6n(at)optonline.net <rv6n(at)optonline.net> wrote:



 	  Quote: 	
		   From: rv6n(at)optonline.net <rv6n(at)optonline.net>

 Subject: converting an RV to LSA

 To: "rv-list(at)matronics.com" <rv-list(at)matronics.com>

 Date: Saturday, May 2, 2009, 7:08 PM

 

  Dear RVers

  

 This might sound ridiculous but does anyone know

 if it is possible to convert a registered RV6 to fly within

 the LSA guidelines?  I know it might take

 mountains of changes but I am just wondering if it is at all

 possible.  Some of the obstacles to overcome

 would include addressing the the weight, I think that

 might be possible by stripping out all the niceties and

 getting back to only what is basic.  Another way to

 reduce the weight is by doing what one of the

 LSA companies do which is to just say that the baggage

 capacity is now only xx instead of what it is actually

 capable of.  The next concern is speed at full

 power.  With the existing O-360 this might be

 difficult.  One LSA company uses a ground

 adjustable prop to limit the max speed of their airplane, so

 I am sure that would help.  Eliminating the good

 looking wheel pants could add some drag too. Some props have

 RPM restrictions which must be adhered to

 willingly.  Can the operating limitations specify a

 maximum speed of 120 kts or an RPM that limits the

 speed to 120 kts.  Some LSAs have a higher RPM for

 a maximum number of minutes for take-off and then a

 reduced RPM thereafter.  How could the clean stall

 speed be reduced to 52 MPH?  Would the lighter weight

 and maybe some vortex generators accomplish that?  From

 what I have read, no plane can be flown as an

 LSA unless it has always been able to fly within the

 parameters of one, so, is it possible to de-register my

 RV6, surrender the data plate and re-register it as a

 plane that is capable of flying within the

 LSA parameters.

  

 Maybe I am crazy for wondering about this but I am not

 interested in building another plane ,the market has been

 too soft for selling at a reasonable price and I

 don't want to spend $125,000 for an LSA.  I am sure

 I am not the only one with a medical problem that has

 wondered this, so is this doable or just a foolish

 wish. 

  

 Bob

ceengland(at)bellsouth.ne
Guest

Posted: Sat May 02, 2009 7:24 pm Post subject: converting an RV to LSA

rv6n(at)optonline.net wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		    Dear RVers

  

 This might sound ridiculous but does anyone know if it is possible to 

 convert a registered RV6 to fly within the LSA guidelines?  I know it 

 might take mountains of changes but I am just wondering if it is at 

 all possible.  Some of the obstacles to overcome would include 

 addressing the the weight, I think that might be possible by stripping 

 out all the niceties and getting back to only what is basic.  Another 

 way to reduce the weight is by doing what one of the LSA companies do 

 which is to just say that the baggage capacity is now only xx instead 

 of what it is actually capable of.  The next concern is speed at full 

 power.  With the existing O-360 this might be difficult.  One 

 LSA company uses a ground adjustable prop to limit the max speed of 

 their airplane, so I am sure that would help.  Eliminating the good 

 looking wheel pants could add some drag too. Some props have RPM 

 restrictions which must be adhered to willingly.  Can the operating 

 limitations specify a maximum speed of 120 kts or an RPM that limits 

 the speed to 120 kts.  Some LSAs have a higher RPM for a maximum 

 number of minutes for take-off and then a reduced RPM thereafter.  How 

 could the clean stall speed be reduced to 52 MPH?  Would the lighter 

 weight and maybe some vortex generators accomplish that?  From what I 

 have read, no plane can be flown as an LSA unless it has always been 

 able to fly within the parameters of one, so, is it possible to 

 de-register my RV6, surrender the data plate and re-register it as a 

 plane that is capable of flying within the LSA parameters.

  

 Maybe I am crazy for wondering about this but I am not interested in 

 building another plane ,the market has been too soft for selling at a 

 reasonable price and I don't want to spend $125,000 for an LSA.  I am 

 sure I am not the only one with a medical problem that has wondered 

 this, so is this doable or just a foolish wish. 

  

 Bob

Bob,
	




I think it will be pretty  much impossible to achieve LSA requirements 

for a lot of different reasons (most already mentioned), but it has been 

done a couple of times with new-registration RV-9's.



Charlie

sbuc(at)hiwaay.net
Guest

Posted: Sat May 02, 2009 7:32 pm Post subject: converting an RV to LSA

MacDonald Doug wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		   

 

 

 Bob, I'm no expert (being from Canada ie:no LSA here) but from what I

 understand, once an aircraft has had a registered gross weight of

 over 1320 lbs, it can never be an LSA no matter what you do to it.


	


This is correct.



Sam Buchanan

mrobert569(at)hotmail.com
Guest

Posted: Sun May 03, 2009 8:42 am Post subject: converting an RV to LSA

The simple answer to your questino is 'NO'.

  

 The long answer is twofold.  Once your aircraft has been given a gross weight over 1320 you can't go back.  The next answer is that once an aircraft is certificated in a class it can't be changed over to LSA. Why?....Because it does not have to.  If the aircraft in question meets the definition of an LSA aircraft per FAR 1 then the aircraft may be operated under the LSA rules irregardless of the aircracft certification category C Experimental C Standard C whatever.

  

 Mike Robertson

 Das Fed

 

  Date: Sun C 3 May 2009 02:08:49 +0000

From: rv6n(at)optonline.net

Subject: converting an RV to LSA

To: rv-list(at)matronics.com



   Dear RVers

  

 This might sound ridiculous but does anyone know if it is possible to convert a registered RV6 to fly within the LSA guidelines?  I know it might take mountains of changes but I am just wondering if it is at all possible.  Some of the obstacles to overcome would include addressing the the weight C I think that might be possible by stripping out all the niceties and getting back to only what is basic.  Another way to reduce the weight is by doing what one of the LSA companies do which is to just say that the baggage capacity is now only xx instead of what it is actually capable of.  The next concern is speed at full power.  With the existing O-360 this might be difficult.  One LSA company uses a ground adjustable prop to limit the max speed of their airplane C so I am sure that would help.  Eliminating the good looking wheel pants could add some drag too. Some props have RPM restrictions which must be adhered to willingly.  Can the operating limitations specify a maximum speed of 120 kts or an RPM that limits the speed to 120 kts.  Some LSAs have a higher RPM for a maximum number of minutes for take-off and then a reduced RPM thereafter.  How could the clean stall speed be reduced to 52 MPH?  Would the lighter weight and maybe some vortex generators accomplish that?  From what I have read C no plane can be flown as an LSA unless it has always been able to fly within the parameters of one C so C is it possible to de-register my RV6 C surrender the data plate and re-register it as a plane that is capable of flying within the LSA parameters.

  

 Maybe I am crazy for wondering about this but I am not interested in building another plane  Cthe market has been too soft for selling at a reasonable price and I don't want to spend $125 C000 for an LSA.  I am sure I am not the only one with a medical problem that has wondered this C so is this doable or just a foolish wish. 

  

 Bob



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rv6n(at)optonline.net
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Posted: Sun May 03, 2009 9:52 am Post subject: converting an RV to LSA

Dear Mike C

  6nbsp;

 I was speaking with the people selling the Paradise LSA 6nbsp;from Brazil and they said that in Brazil they have their plane certified as a four seater with a gross weight in excess of 1700 lbs E 6nbsp; In order to certify it LSA 6nbsp;in the USA they removed the two rear seats and declared the baggage capacity to be less E Is this something totally different? 6nbsp; Is it possible to de register the RV 6nbsp;and apply all over again?

  6nbsp;

 I suppose it is time to moth-ball the RV E

  6nbsp;

 Thanks



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larywil(at)comcast.net
Guest

Posted: Sun May 03, 2009 11:11 am Post subject: converting an RV to LSA

At 12:36 PM 5/3/2009, you wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		  The simple answer to your questino is 'NO'.



<The long answer is twofold.  Once your aircraft has been given a 

gross weight over 1320 you can't go back.>


	


Mike,



I know it is not *very* easy, but can't you make some "minor" change 

in your airframe, power plant, or prop and then declare that the 

aircraft no longer has the ability to carry 1320 + lbs?  Then apply 

for the "self conducted" 5 hour re-certification.



Louis I Willig

1640 Oakwood Dr.

Penn Valley, PA 19072

610 668-4964

RV-4, N180PF

190HP IO-360, C/S prop

stein(at)steinair.com
Guest

Posted: Sun May 03, 2009 12:22 pm Post subject: converting an RV to LSA

Again - NO.



However, if you did all that before you ever got the airplane certified then

it may be possible.  This is no different than trying to change a fat

ercoupe or fat chief that were to heavy for LSA...or a C-120/140.  You

simply can't go backwards with the paperwork, even if you can with the

physical plane.  There are a lot of planes that could be "lightened", but

that in itself won't work because the paperwork at one time said your plane

had a higher gross weight.



I think it's pretty clear in my opinion.  I would put my efforts into just

building an LSA the first time.



My 2 cents as usual.



Cheers,

Stein



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pitts_pilot(at)bellsouth.
Guest

Posted: Sun May 03, 2009 12:37 pm Post subject: converting an RV to LSA

SteinAir, Inc. wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		   

 

 Again - NO.

snip
	


 	  Quote: 	
		   

 I think it's pretty clear in my opinion.  I would put my efforts into just

 building an LSA the first time.

And you could build your RV very light, the way you want it.  You could 
	


probably remove the data plate from the engine, put a smaller carb on 

it, ...... to derate the engine ..... and have it meet all the LSA 

requirements ...... and then fix the problems later after certification 

and the phase 1 testing.  And you'd end up with the same airplane in the 

LSA category.  Far more work than you really want, I guess, but still 

easier than making the present plane fit the category.  Turning in the 

airworthiness certificate, making the changes to make the airplane legal 

LSA and re-certifying it may work.  Stranger things have happened.

Linn



[quote] 

 My 2 cents as usual.

 

 Cheers,

 Stein

 

> --

Peter Laurence

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 50

Posted: Mon May 04, 2009 4:53 am Post subject: converting an RV to LSA

Bob,  

   

My 2 cents  

   

If you want to fly an LSA and stay with a vans, buy a RV9A. This plane can be certified LSA with an. appropriate engine/prop.  

   

Peter  

         

  

From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of rv6n(at)optonline.net

 Sent: Saturday, May 02, 2009 10:09 PM

 To: rv-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: converting an RV to LSA  

  

       

 Dear RVers  

    

   

    

This might sound ridiculous but does anyone know if it is possible to convert a registered RV6 to fly within the LSA guidelines?  I know it might take mountains of changes but I am just wondering if it is at all possible.  Some of the obstacles to overcome would include addressing the the weight, I think that might be possible by stripping out all the niceties and getting back to only what is basic.  Another way to reduce the weight is by doing what one of the LSA companies do which is to just say that the baggage capacity is now only xx instead of what it is actually capable of.  The next concern is speed at full power.  With the existing O-360 this might be difficult.  One LSA company uses a ground adjustable prop to limit the max speed of their airplane, so I am sure that would help.  Eliminating the good looking wheel pants could add some drag too. Some props have RPM restrictions which must be adhered to willingly.  Can the operating limitations specify a maximum speed of 120 kts or an RPM that limits the speed to 120 kts.  Some LSAs have a higher RPM for a maximum number of minutes for take-off and then a reduced RPM thereafter.  How could the clean stall speed be reduced to 52 MPH?  Would the lighter weight and maybe some vortex generators accomplish that?  From what I have read, no plane can be flown as an LSA unless it has always been able to fly within the parameters of one, so, is it possible to de-register my RV6, surrender the data plate and re-register it as a plane that is capable of flying within the LSA parameters.  

    

   

    

Maybe I am crazy for wondering about this but I am not interested in building another plane ,the market has been too soft for selling at a reasonable price and I don't want to spend $125,000 for an LSA.  I am sure I am not the only one with a medical problem that has wondered this, so is this doable or just a foolish wish.   

    

   

    

Bob  

  

  

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ronlee(at)pcisys.net
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Posted: Mon May 04, 2009 5:24 am Post subject: converting an RV to LSA

Have you examined a trade...RV for an LSA?

  

 Ron Lee

  

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mrobert569(at)hotmail.com
Guest

Posted: Mon May 04, 2009 9:07 am Post subject: converting an RV to LSA

Answer #1 is yes C they can do that as they are the manufacturer and it is for brand new aircraft that have never received an airworthiness certificate.

  

 Answer #2 is NO C sorry.  The FAA keeps track of the serial number as well as the 'N' number.

  

 Mike Robertson

 Das Fed

 

  Date: Sun C 3 May 2009 17:48:26 +0000

From: rv6n(at)optonline.net

Subject: Re: RE: converting an RV to LSA

To: rv-list(at)matronics.com



 Dear Mike C

  

 I was speaking with the people selling the Paradise LSA from Brazil and they said that in Brazil they have their plane certified as a four seater with a gross weight in excess of 1700 lbs.  In order to certify it LSA in the USA they removed the two rear seats and declared the baggage capacity to be less. Is this something totally different?  Is it possible to de register the RV and apply all over again?

  

 I suppose it is time to moth-ball the RV.

  

 Thanks



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mrobert569(at)Hotmail.com
Guest

Posted: Mon May 04, 2009 9:23 am Post subject: converting an RV to LSA

Unfortunately no.  The opening statement in FAR 1 for a light-sport aircraft states "Light-sport aircraft means an aircraft C other than a helicopter or powered-lift that C since its original certification C has continued to meet the following:".

 There are several standard category aircraft that this hurt.  A prime example is the Ercoupe.  The 'C' model meets light-sport weights but the 'D' model does not.  Numerous 'C' models were converted to 'D' models.  Now they want to go back to being a 'C' model but they can't because of this wording.

 Mike Robertson

 Das Fed

 	  Quote: 	
		   Date: Sun C 3 May 2009 15:06:54 -0400

 To: rv-list(at)matronics.com

 From: larywil(at)comcast.net

 Subject: RE: converting an RV to LSA

 --> RV-List message posted by: Louis Willig <larywil(at)comcast.net>

 At 12:36 PM 5/3/2009 C you wrote:

 >The simple answer to your questino is 'NO'.

 >

 ><The long answer is twofold. Once your aircraft has been given a 

 >gross weight over 1320 you can't go back.>

 Mike C

 I know it is not *very* easy C but can't you make some "minor" change 

 in your airframe C power plant C or prop and then declare that the 

 aircraft no longer has the ability to carry 1320 + lbs? Then apply 

 for the "self conducted" 5 hour re-certification.

 Louis I Willig

 1640 Oakwood Dr.

 Penn Valley C PA 19072

 610 668-4964

 RV-4 C N180PF

= Archive Search & Download C 7-Day Browse C Chat C FAQ C

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khorton01(at)rogers.com
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Posted: Mon May 04, 2009 10:49 am Post subject: converting an RV to LSA

If you had an existing RV, with an airworthiness certificate, you  

would probably need to make quite a few modifications before you could  

legitimately claim it met LSA specs.  What if, after making these  

changes, the manufacturer (you) decided that the changes were  

substantial enough that this was really a new design.  After  

assembling the modified amateur-built components from the old  

aircraft, the manufacturer installs a new data plate, with a new model  

and serial number, and with a gross weight of 1320 lb.  Bingo - a  

potential LSA, assuming flight tests show it meets LSA specs.



Why wouldn't this work?



Kevin Horton

On 4 May 2009, at 13:06, Mike Robertson wrote:



 	  Quote: 	
		   Unfortunately no.  The opening statement in FAR 1 for a light-sport  

 aircraft states "Light-sport aircraft means an aircraft, other than  

 a helicopter or powered-lift that, since its original certification,  

 has continued to meet the following:".



 There are several standard category aircraft that this hurt.  A  

 prime example is the Ercoupe.  The 'C' model meets light-sport  

 weights but the 'D' model does not.  Numerous 'C' models were  

 converted to 'D' models.  Now they want to go back to being a 'C'  

 model but they can't because of this wording.



 Mike Robertson

 Das Fed



 > Date: Sun, 3 May 2009 15:06:54 -0400

 > To: rv-list(at)matronics.com

 > From: larywil(at)comcast.net

 > Subject: RE: converting an RV to LSA

 >

 > 

 >

 > At 12:36 PM 5/3/2009, you wrote:

 > >The simple answer to your questino is 'NO'.

 > >

 > ><The long answer is twofold. Once your aircraft has been given a

 > >gross weight over 1320 you can't go back.>

 >

 > Mike,

 >

 > I know it is not *very* easy, but can't you make some "minor" change

 > in your airframe, power plant, or prop and then declare that the

 > aircraft no longer has the ability to carry 1320 + lbs? Then apply

 > for the "self conducted" 5 hour re-certification.

 >

 >

 >

 >

 >

 > Louis I Willig

 > 1640 Oakwood Dr.

 > Penn Valley, PA 19072

 > 610 668-4964

 > RV-4, N180PF

 >= Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ,

 &g==

 >

 >

 >

mrobert569(at)hotmail.com
Guest

Posted: Mon May 04, 2009 12:20 pm Post subject: converting an RV to LSA

It might.  there are a couple of RV-9A's in Florida that are LSA qualified.

  

 Mike Robertson

 

 	  Quote: 	
		   From: khorton01(at)rogers.com

 To: rv-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: Re: converting an RV to LSA

 Date: Mon C 4 May 2009 14:36:15 -0400

 

 --> RV-List message posted by: Kevin Horton <khorton01(at)rogers.com>

 

 If you had an existing RV C with an airworthiness certificate C you 

 would probably need to make quite a few modifications before you could 

 legitimately claim it met LSA specs. What if C after making these 

 changes C the manufacturer (you) decided that the changes were 

 substantial enough that this was really a new design. After 

 assembling the modified amateur-built components from the old 

 aircraft C the manufacturer installs a new data plate C with a new model 

 and serial number C and with a gross weight of 1320 lb. Bingo - a 

 potential LSA C assuming flight tests show it meets LSA specs.

 

 Why wouldn't this work?

 

 Kevin Horton

 

 

 On 4 May 2009 C at 13:06 C Mike Robertson wrote:

 

 > Unfortunately no. The opening statement in FAR 1 for a light-sport 

 > aircraft states "Light-sport aircraft means an aircraft C other than 

 > a helicopter or powered-lift that C since its original certification C 

 > has continued to meet the following:".

 >

 > There are several standard category aircraft that this hurt. A 

 > prime example is the Ercoupe. The 'C' model meets light-sport 

 > weights but the 'D' model does not. Numerous 'C' models were 

 > converted to 'D' models. Now they want to go back to being a 'C' 

 > model but they can't because of this wording.

 >

 > Mike Robertson

 > Das Fed

 >

 > > Date: Sun C 3 May 2009 15:06:54 -0400

 > > To: rv-list(at)matronics.com

 > > From: larywil(at)comcast.net

 > > Subject: RE: converting an RV to LSA

 > >

 > > --> RV-List message posted by: Louis Willig <larywil(at)comcast.net>

 > >

 > > At 12:36 PM 5/3/2009 C you wrote:

 > > >The simple answer to your questino is 'NO'.

 > > >

 > > ><The long answer is twofold. Once your aircraft has been given a

 > > >gross weight over 1320 you can't go back.>

 > >

 > > Mike C

 > >

 > > I know it is not *very* easy C but can't you make some "minor" change

 > > in your airframe C power plant C or prop and then declare that the

 > > aircraft no longer has the ability to carry 1320 + lbs? Then apply

 > > for the "self conducted" 5 hour re-certification.

 > >

 > >

 > >

 > >

 > >

 > > Louis I Willig

 > > 1640 Oakwood Dr.

 > > Penn Valley C PA 19072

 > > 610 668-4964

 > > RV-4 C N180PF

 > >= Archive Search & Download C 7-Day Browse C Chat C FAQ C

 > &g==

 > >

 > >

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