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jhartford(at)hartford-eng
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Posted: Sat Mar 25, 2006 6:12 pm Post subject: Model II leading edge

I just ran into another point of confusion. I purchased the Fuselage and

wing Kit from Denny's in 1990, but never was able to get to work on it

until 2000. Purchased the remainder of the kits at that time, but again

had to differ work on the plane.



Sky Star provided the products necessary to complete kit based on using

the original wing and filled in with Model IV parts where appropriate. I

am working on the wings and can find no reference to the 24019 leading

edge in the Model II manual.



The packing list for both the original and 2000 purchase show no

reference to the leading edges. The Wing sections on the Model II and

the Model IV are quite different and I am not sure that I should be

installing the leading edge on the Model II wing.



Can any of you provide some experience on this subject. I would like to

confirm the installation of the leading edge before moving forward.



Thanks



Jim Hartford

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wliles(at)bayou.com
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Posted: Sat Mar 25, 2006 7:05 pm Post subject: Model II leading edge

The Model II had an undercamber wing design by Dean Wilson.  It used the 

front spar as the leading edge and did not require the leading edge 

cuff.  The cuff was for the Model IV and later wings that used a new 

design airfoil without the undercamber.  The undercambered wing is an 

excellent STOL airfoil and nicely complements the lightweight Model II.



Jerry Liles



James C. Hartford wrote:



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I just ran into another point of confusion. I purchased the Fuselage and

wing Kit from Denny's in 1990, but never was able to get to work on it

until 2000. Purchased the remainder of the kits at that time, but again

had to differ work on the plane.



Sky Star provided the products necessary to complete kit based on using

the original wing and filled in with Model IV parts where appropriate. I

am working on the wings and can find no reference to the 24019 leading

edge in the Model II manual.



The packing list for both the original and 2000 purchase show no

reference to the leading edges. The Wing sections on the Model II and

the Model IV are quite different and I am not sure that I should be

installing the leading edge on the Model II wing.



Can any of you provide some experience on this subject. I would like to

confirm the installation of the leading edge before moving forward.



Thanks



Jim Hartford

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jhartford(at)hartford-eng
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Posted: Sat Mar 25, 2006 7:21 pm Post subject: Model II leading edge

Thanks Jerry this is what I suspected but it is good to get a

conformation. 



Jim H



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wliles(at)bayou.com
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Posted: Sat Mar 25, 2006 7:27 pm Post subject: Model II leading edge

Glad I could help.



James C. Hartford wrote:



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Thanks Jerry this is what I suspected but it is good to get a

conformation. 



Jim H



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jhartford(at)hartford-eng
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Posted: Sun Mar 26, 2006 6:15 am Post subject: Model II leading edge

Thanks for the photo and the information Ron. Is there anyone that can

provide additional information on the use of the leading edge on a Model

II Wing? 



Thanks 

Jim Hartford  



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wliles(at)bayou.com
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Posted: Sun Mar 26, 2006 7:54 am Post subject: Model II leading edge

There were some who did use the leading edge cuff and claimed better 

performance.  Perhaps they did get a bit better top speed, but maybe 

not.  Personally I'm skeptical.  The undercamber wing is designed for 

STOL performance, a broad leading edge allows for a bit higher angle of 

attack.  If the leading edge cuff is installed as a droop type then it 

will accentuate the effects of the undercamber and it may improve STOL a 

bit, but maybe not.  I think it adds weight and complexity to a design 

noted for light weight, simplicity, good STOL performance, and 

tremendous fun.  It is an airplane designed to go out and "commit 

aviation" just for the heck of it.  It is a pasture airplane, not a high 

speed go somewhere airplane unless you have lots of time and enjoy 

seeing the countryside from low and slow (which I highly recommend).  

Keep it simple, keep it light, and you'll keep it fun.  Add all the 

bells and whistles and it'll be a Kitpig and it still won't be fast.

Jerry Liles



James C. Hartford wrote:



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Thanks for the photo and the information Ron. Is there anyone that can

provide additional information on the use of the leading edge on a Model

II Wing? 



Thanks 

Jim Hartford  



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lcfitt(at)sbcglobal.net
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Posted: Sun Mar 26, 2006 8:19 am Post subject: Model II leading edge

Jerry - Great post,   I like the Kitpig part best.  I guess that describes a 

lot of our airplanes pretty well.







Lowell



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jhartford(at)hartford-eng
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Posted: Sun Mar 26, 2006 3:31 pm Post subject: Model II leading edge

Thanks for all of the input. My objective is a light plane with almost

no bells and whistles. I am looking for good short field performance and

do not much care about speed. If the original design worked well I plan

to leave the leading edge on the rack and continue with the original

Model II design. 



Jim H   Western ND



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bmwebb(at)cox.net
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Posted: Sun Mar 26, 2006 4:30 pm Post subject: Model II leading edge

Absolutely awesome post! I'm still chuckling.

Bradley



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