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PostPosted: Tue May 12, 2009 9:38 am    Post subject: 68" WD 3 blade FS Reply with quote

I need a prop for my Geo motor, but have not looked into the rotation direction if it's the same as a rotax. Bob Bean do you know if I can use his prop on my 1.3 Geo motor?

Ron (at) KFHU

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PostPosted: Tue May 12, 2009 10:20 am    Post subject: 68" WD 3 blade FS Reply with quote

Depends upon which rotax...... It will turn the prop the same
direction as the four stroker 912,
CCW looking from the rear. Are you using gears or belt? G10 or G13?
BB
still puttering around the yard.

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I need a prop for my Geo motor, but have not looked into the
rotation direction if it's the same as a rotax. Bob Bean do you
know if I can use his prop on my 1.3 Geo motor?

Ron (at) KFHU

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PostPosted: Tue May 12, 2009 11:21 am    Post subject: 68" WD 3 blade FS Reply with quote

Ron C
 
  Mike Sharp and I just had this conversation the other day.....namely; which prop do you need?
 
  I have GEO 1 liter with Raven Redrives belt drive.  This requires a LEFT turning prop (counter clockwise rotation)
  If you have one of those SPG-2 gear drive units C then you'd need the same prop type as a Rotax 912....a right turning C clockwise rotation prop.  But if you have the belt drive like I have C then you're looking for a left turning prop.
 
Mike Welch
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PostPosted: Tue May 12, 2009 12:23 pm    Post subject: 68" WD 3 blade FS Reply with quote

hmmmm,  in my most diplomatic tones, 912 turns CCW from the rear looking front.BB
BTW, if'n I get around to it, I want to try a 70" two blade powerfin on my G10 geo/suzuki

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Ron,
 
  Mike Sharp and I just had this conversation the other day.....namely; which prop do you need?
 
  I have GEO 1 liter with Raven Redrives belt drive.  This requires a LEFT turning prop (counter clockwise rotation)
  If you have one of those SPG-2 gear drive units, then you'd need the same prop type as a Rotax 912....a right turning, clockwise rotation prop.  But if you have the belt drive like I have, then you're looking for a left turning prop.
 
Mike Welch
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PostPosted: Tue May 12, 2009 12:52 pm    Post subject: 68" WD 3 blade FS Reply with quote

LOL,

Thats where I get confused!

Where the heck do I stand????

Mike
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hmmmm, in my most diplomatic tones, 912 turns CCW from the rear looking front. BB
BTW, if'n I get around to it, I want to try a 70" two blade powerfin on my G10 geo/suzuki

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[quote]Ron,

Mike Sharp and I just had this conversation the other day.....namely; which prop do you need?

I have GEO 1 liter with Raven Redrives belt drive. This requires a LEFT turning prop (counter clockwise rotation)
If you have one of those SPG-2 gear drive units, then you'd need the same prop type as a Rotax 912....a right turning, clockwise rotation prop. But if you have the belt drive like I have, then you're looking for a left turning prop.

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PostPosted: Tue May 12, 2009 1:11 pm    Post subject: 68" WD 3 blade FS Reply with quote

on a Kolb, behind the prop facing front.   It is easy to get messed up because industry definitions are not uniform.The likely reason is that until our category became popular tractor configurations were the norm.
I wanted to offer a prop for Thom Riddle to experiment on his Rans/912 but he immediately reminded me of
the minor problem.   He sure could taxi backwards fast though.
Be VERY certain when you buy a prop though or you will be paying some extra UPS fees.
BB

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Thats where I get confused!
 
Where the heck do I stand????
 
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hmmmm,  in my most diplomatic tones, 912 turns CCW from the rear looking front.BB
BTW, if'n I get around to it, I want to try a 70" two blade powerfin on my G10 geo/suzuki

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Ron,
 
  Mike Sharp and I just had this conversation the other day.....namely; which prop do you need?
 
  I have GEO 1 liter with Raven Redrives belt drive.  This requires a LEFT turning prop (counter clockwise rotation)
  If you have one of those SPG-2 gear drive units, then you'd need the same prop type as a Rotax 912....a right turning, clockwise rotation prop.  But if you have the belt drive like I have, then you're looking for a left turning prop.
 
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PostPosted: Tue May 12, 2009 1:42 pm    Post subject: 68" WD 3 blade FS Reply with quote

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LOL,

Thats where I get confused!

Where the heck do I stand????

Stand where it's windy, and look at the top of the prop. If it moves to
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PostPosted: Tue May 12, 2009 3:50 pm    Post subject: 68" WD 3 blade FS Reply with quote

I was under the impression the Rotax 912 spun it's prop in CW rotation.  It doesn't?  Ok.
Didn't need any diplomacy to admit it.
MW
hmmmm C  in my most diplomatic tones C 912 turns CCW from the rear looking front. BB
BTW C if'n I get around to it C I want to try a 70" two blade powerfin on my G10 geo/suzuki

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  Mike Sharp and I just had this conversation the other day.....namely; which prop do you need?
 
  I have GEO 1 liter with Raven Redrives belt drive.  This requires a LEFT turning prop (counter clockwise rotation)
  If you have one of those SPG-2 gear drive units C then you'd need the same prop type as a Rotax 912....a right turning C clockwise rotation prop.  But if you have the belt drive like I have C then you're looking for a left turning prop.
 
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PostPosted: Tue May 12, 2009 5:14 pm    Post subject: 68" WD 3 blade FS Reply with quote

The MkIII I have had been bent up pretty good before I bought it and it had a 912 on it.I got the 70" 3 blade WD prop that was attached and somehow survived the event as part of the package.
I turned the right direction for my suzuki but was too much prop.  I bought a two blade hub which much closer
matched my horsepower.
BB

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I was under the impression the Rotax 912 spun it's prop in CW rotation.  It doesn't?  Ok.
Didn't need any diplomacy to admit it.
MW
hmmmm,  in my most diplomatic tones, 912 turns CCW from the rear looking front.BB
BTW, if'n I get around to it, I want to try a 70" two blade powerfin on my G10 geo/suzuki

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Ron,
 
  Mike Sharp and I just had this conversation the other day.....namely; which prop do you need?
 
  I have GEO 1 liter with Raven Redrives belt drive.  This requires a LEFT turning prop (counter clockwise rotation)
  If you have one of those SPG-2 gear drive units, then you'd need the same prop type as a Rotax 912....a right turning, clockwise rotation prop.  But if you have the belt drive like I have, then you're looking for a left turning prop.
 
Mike Welch
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PostPosted: Tue May 12, 2009 6:50 pm    Post subject: 68" WD 3 blade FS Reply with quote

I am using Vassily's SPG-2 and the 1.3 liter dohc.

Ron (at) KFHU

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Depends upon which rotax...... It will turn the prop the same
direction as the four stroker 912,
CCW looking from the rear. Are you using gears or belt? G10 or G13?
BB
still puttering around the yard.

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I need a prop for my Geo motor, but have not looked into the
rotation direction if it's the same as a rotax. Bob Bean do you
know if I can use his prop on my 1.3 Geo motor?

Ron (at) KFHU

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PostPosted: Tue May 12, 2009 6:51 pm    Post subject: 68" WD 3 blade FS Reply with quote

That's good I got Vassily's gizmo. That makes it lots easier just get the Rotax 912 prop, is all I got to remember.

Ron (at) KFHU
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Ron,



Mike Sharp and I just had this conversation the other day.....namely; which prop do you need?



I have GEO 1 liter with Raven Redrives belt drive. This requires a LEFT turning prop (counter clockwise rotation)

If you have one of those SPG-2 gear drive units, then you'd need the same prop type as a Rotax 912....a right turning, clockwise rotation prop. But if you have the belt drive like I have, then you're looking for a left turning prop.



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PostPosted: Tue May 12, 2009 6:55 pm    Post subject: 68" WD 3 blade FS Reply with quote

Okay just to clarify, I rather everyone agrees, that the prop to my 1.3 liter with the SPG-2 uses the same prop as the 912 Rotax, is that right????

Ron (at) KFHU
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hmmmm, in my most diplomatic tones, 912 turns CCW from the rear
looking front.
BB
BTW, if'n I get around to it, I want to try a 70" two blade powerfin
on my G10 geo/suzuki

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Ron,

Mike Sharp and I just had this conversation the other
day.....namely; which prop do you need?

I have GEO 1 liter with Raven Redrives belt drive. This requires
a LEFT turning prop (counter clockwise rotation)
If you have one of those SPG-2 gear drive units, then you'd need
the same prop type as a Rotax 912....a right turning, clockwise
rotation prop. But if you have the belt drive like I have, then
you're looking for a left turning prop.

Mike Welch
MkIII
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rotation direction if it's the same as a rotax.
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PostPosted: Tue May 12, 2009 7:53 pm    Post subject: Re: 68 Reply with quote

Dana wrote:

Stand where it's windy, and look at the top of the prop. If it moves to
the right, is a RH prop, and vice versa.

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On the 912 series, in pusher configuration (like on the Kolb) you need a left hand turning prop. I.e. top of the prop viewing from behind the plane moves to the left.

My WD is a left hand pusher.... Also keep in mind its bolt pattern is for the 912 prop flange with the mounting lugs installed (has the countersunk holes on the back half of the hub...

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PostPosted: Tue May 12, 2009 8:14 pm    Post subject: 68" WD 3 blade FS Reply with quote

hmmmm, in my most diplomatic tones, 912 turns CCW from the rear looking front.
BB
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PostPosted: Wed May 13, 2009 4:11 am    Post subject: 68" WD 3 blade FS Reply with quote

Well Ron, Since I have the exact same setup as you have, 1.3 with the Russian do-hickey, When we figure it out let me know!!!

LOL


I have a friend that has the same setup on a P-5151 I'll send him an email and see what Prop he is turning...

Mike
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Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 9:51:10 PM
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That's good I got Vassily's gizmo. That makes it lots easier just get the Rotax 912 prop, is all I got to remember.

Ron (at) KFHU
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Ron,

Mike Sharp and I just had this conversation the other day.....namely; which prop do you need?

I have GEO 1 liter with Raven Redrives belt drive. This requires a LEFT turning prop (counter clockwise rotation)

If you have one of those SPG-2 gear drive units, then you'd need the same prop type as a Rotax 912....a right turning, clockwise rotation prop. But if you have the belt drive like I have, then you're looking for a left turning prop.

Mike Welch

MkIII

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PostPosted: Wed May 13, 2009 5:52 am    Post subject: 68" WD 3 blade FS Reply with quote

I recieved a reply from my friend with the P-5151 using the 1.3l Geo, which is the engine that We are using on our Kolbs...

He said: "for the 4cylinder Geo, and facing the front of the aircraft, and looking at the flywheel, the prop will be left turning"

 
He is using a belt reduction drive, so His prop turns the same direction as the flywheel. Unless there is a tear in subspace, which would cause a rift in the time space continuem... then we are screwed!

Not sure if that helps or confuses us more... LOL
Mike
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Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2009 7:05:10 AM
Subject: Re: 68" WD 3 blade FS

Well Ron, Since I have the exact same setup as you have, 1.3 with the Russian do-hickey, When we figure it out let me know!!!

LOL


I have a friend that has the same setup on a P-5151 I'll send him an email and see what Prop he is turning...

Mike
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1.3 zuki with SPG-2

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--> Kolb-List message posted by: Ron <captainron1(at)cox.net (captainron1(at)cox.net)>

That's good I got Vassily's gizmo. That makes it lots easier just get the Rotax 912 prop, is all I got to remember.

Ron (at) KFHU
---- Mike Welch <mdnanwelch7(at)hotmail.com (mdnanwelch7(at)hotmail.com)> wrote:

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Ron,

Mike Sharp and I just had this conversation the other day.....namely; which prop do you need?

I have GEO 1 liter with Raven Redrives belt drive. This requires a LEFT turning prop (counter clockwise rotation)

If you have one of those SPG-2 gear drive units, then you'd need the same prop type as a Rotax 912....a right turning, clockwise rotation prop. But if you have the belt drive like I have, then you're looking for a left turning prop.

Mike Welch

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PostPosted: Wed May 13, 2009 3:48 pm    Post subject: 68" WD 3 blade FS Reply with quote

I know what I am going to do, is ask Vassily.
There ain't no ambiguity there.

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---- Michael Sharp <kolbdriver(at)mlsharp.com> wrote:

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Well Ron, Since I have the exact same setup as you have, 1.3 with the Russian do-hickey, When we figure it out let me know!!!

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I have a friend that has the same setup on a P-5151 I'll send him an email and see what Prop he is turning...

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That's good I got Vassily's gizmo. That makes it lots easier just get the Rotax 912 prop, is all I got to remember.

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---- Mike Welch <mdnanwelch7(at)hotmail.com> wrote:

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Ron,

  Mike Sharp and I just had this conversation the other day.....namely; which prop do you need?

  I have GEO 1 liter with Raven Redrives belt drive.  This requires a LEFT turning prop (counter clockwise rotation)

  If you have one of those SPG-2 gear drive units, then you'd need the same prop type as a Rotax 912....a right turning, clockwise rotation prop.  But if you have the belt drive like I have, then you're looking for a left turning prop.

Mike Welch

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PostPosted: Wed May 13, 2009 4:05 pm    Post subject: 68" WD 3 blade FS Reply with quote

I don't know I was painting the house all day in the hot sun, and now I just finished a Heineken so I am kinda already numb from all of that prop stuff, is it turning to the east or the West or is it north or south.
All I want to hear is if a Rotax prop of the 912 variety is the proper one or not. I once tried to get it straight on how to return the comb lock where the dial faces out on the gate after I have the U lock open. Geez finally I just started to put the dial facing out and locked it. In other words the "keep it simple stupid" is the one that works best for me.

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I recieved a reply from my friend with the P-5151 using the 1.3l Geo, which is the engine that We are using on our Kolbs...

He said: "for the 4cylinder Geo, and facing the front of the aircraft, and looking at the flywheel, the prop will be left turning"
 
He is using a belt reduction drive, so His prop turns the same direction as the flywheel.  Unless there is a tear in subspace, which would cause a rift in the time space continuem... then we are screwed!
 
Not sure if that helps or confuses us more... LOL
 Mike
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Well Ron, Since I have the exact same setup as you have, 1.3 with the Russian do-hickey, When we figure it out let me know!!!

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I have a friend that has the same setup on a P-5151 I'll send him an email and see what Prop he is turning...

Mike
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That's good I got Vassily's gizmo. That makes it lots easier just get the Rotax 912 prop, is all I got to remember.

Ron (at) KFHU
---- Mike Welch <mdnanwelch7(at)hotmail.com> wrote:

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Ron,

  Mike Sharp and I just had this conversation the other day.....namely; which prop do you need?

  I have GEO 1 liter with Raven Redrives belt drive.  This requires a LEFT turning prop (counter clockwise rotation)

  If you have one of those SPG-2 gear drive units, then you'd need the same prop type as a Rotax 912....a right turning, clockwise rotation prop.  But if you have the belt drive like I have, then you're looking for a left turning prop.

Mike Welch

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PostPosted: Wed May 13, 2009 4:42 pm    Post subject: 68" WD 3 blade FS Reply with quote

Ron,

I did that too..

Here is what he said:

Hi Mike,
 
If it is a pusher - clockwise (right hand rotation) prop. If a tractor - counterclockwise (left hand rotation) prop.
 
If you want a good tested and efficient prop, I'll send you one, look http://www.airtrikes.net/propellers.shtml
 
Best regards,

 

Vassili Tarakanov,

Mike


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PostPosted: Wed May 13, 2009 6:39 pm    Post subject: Re: 68 Reply with quote

Michael Sharp wrote:
Ron,

I did that too..

Here is what he said:

Hi Mike,
 
If it is a pusher - clockwise (right hand rotation) prop. If a tractor - counterclockwise (left hand rotation) prop.
 
If you want a good tested and efficient prop, I'll send you one, look http://www.airtrikes.net/propellers.shtml
 
Best regards,

 

Vassili Tarakanov,

Mike


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That means mine wont' work. Mine is a _left_ hand pusher (standing at tail looking a prop, the top blade moves to the left - rotates CCW).

Rotax isn't innocent on this either by the way. For reasons uknown, the 2-strokes spin their prop flange the other way than the 912... so the props aren't interchangeable pusher-to-pusher, tractor-to-tractor......

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