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rcdettmer(at)charter.net
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 Posted: Wed May 06, 2009 5:07 pm Post subject: Help |
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Hi Dan,
I have designed and constructed numerous hangars & projects at airports that receive federal funds. We have always been able to provide “crew quarters” for pilots to live and sleep while working. This situation has always been under the jurisdiction of the local authority (County, or City and Airport Manager), not the FSDO.
Randy Dettmer, AIA, NCARB
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Dettmer Architecture
663 Hill Street
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805 541 4864 / Fax 805 541 4865
www.dettmerarchitecture.com
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dan Farmer
Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 5:47 PM
To: commander-list-digest(at)matronics.com
Subject: Help
I know this sounds crazy but it may be true as it is the FAA. I am flying for an operation for a couple of months this summer. It is just for the summer and the owner told me and another pilot that he had a couple of apartments in the hanger that we did not need to get a room. He called me and said the local bureaucrat from the FSDO said that since the airport received federal funds that no one could sleep there. This flies in the face of what I have seen for the last 35 years of my life. I think the man is blowing smoke out his ---. Has anyone ever encountered such a thing? If so please email me off site so we don't bore everyone else.
dan
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rsrandazzo(at)precisionma
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| Posted: Wed May 06, 2009 6:13 pm Post subject: Help |
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Dan
We have been given this same feedback at our airport.
Never really thought about how odd that is until reading your email.
Our airport manager is a straight up good-guy. If you want I'll ask him for the background details?
Robert S. RandazzoN414C
On May 6, 2009, at 5:46 PM, Dan Farmer <daniellfarmer(at)yahoo.com (daniellfarmer(at)yahoo.com)> wrote:
[quote]I know this sounds crazy but it may be true as it is the FAA. I am flying for an operation for a couple of months this summer. It is just for the summer and the owner told me and another pilot that he had a couple of apartments in the hanger that we did not need to get a room. He called me and said the local bureaucrat from the FSDO said that since the airport received federal funds that no one could sleep there. This flies in the face of what I have seen for the last 35 years of my life. I think the man is blowing smoke out his ---. Has anyone ever encountered such a thing? If so please email me off site so we don't bore everyone else.
dan
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dfalik(at)sbcglobal.net
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| Posted: Wed May 06, 2009 7:38 pm Post subject: Help |
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We had a local political situation regarding the drain commisioner allowing an engineer working on the project to stay in a house that was on some property that was part of the drain improvement. The issue was providing something of value (free lodging) on property that was purchased with government money. The local county wanted property taxes for the house as it was being used as "rental" property.
I can understand that if you are given free lodging instead of paying to stay in a motel, it could be a sticky issue if in fact the premises were procured with government money. If you can stay there for free so should anyone else.
Don
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blorber(at)southwestcirru
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| Posted: Wed May 06, 2009 9:11 pm Post subject: Help |
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Four issues:
A) the airport has taken AIP funds and has contractual obligations a la the FAA - absolutely immaterial
B) the airport has an access agreement with the land and hangar owner - either it contains habitation restrictions or not
C) the airport has a ground lease agreement with the hangar owner - either it contains habitation restrictions or not
D) the land and/or hangar owner does not want you to habitate on their property - absolutely material
The local bureaucrat at the FSDO has no bearing on the situation unless he/she is a signatory to a contract regarding the property.
Now, your permission to operate may be contingent on satisfying the whims of the bureaucrat. It's not my money to say, but if it were I wouldn't invest time or money in any scheme that involved government, let alone one that involved bureaucrat whimsy.
Of course, regime uncertainty pretty much precludes any appeal to contract these days.
(don't bother, I've been singing this song long before 20 Jan 2009)
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| Posted: Thu May 14, 2009 6:06 pm Post subject: Help |
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Harry;
I am getting your messages.
Don
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rlegg(at)austarnet.com.au
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| Posted: Thu May 14, 2009 8:09 pm Post subject: Help |
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Hey Harry,
Getting you loud and clear right here downunder!
Cheers
Russell
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