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gbright(at)bellsouth.net
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 Posted: Sun Mar 26, 2006 7:45 am Post subject: Model II tail & 3 questions |
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Hello All,
Been reading the list for a while now and really appreciate
how great this Kitfox list is. The help and good nature of
everyone is very enjoyable and informative.
I've got the bug to get a Kitfox, but don't have the $$ to
get a model IV with a 912.
Am looking at a model II that has had a model III tail
installed (several years back) to improve handling.
1) Is out of the ballpark (Braves fan) to even think about
exchanging the wings and building series IV wings?
2) How many hours, with good care, can the 582 run?
3) Is pulling the head and de-carbonizing the pistons a
regular event? Or is a motor that needs this running too
rich/too much oil injected?
Not sure if there are many Kitfoxes in the Atlanta area (?).
If there are...we ought to have a fly in or a get together.
Many thanks for all help.
Thanks,
Grant
Atlanta, GA
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wliles(at)bayou.com
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| Posted: Sun Mar 26, 2006 8:10 am Post subject: Model II tail & 3 questions |
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Personally I don't see why you would want to go to all the trouble of
changing wings. The Wilson undercamber airfoil works wonderfully for
the Model II but it is possible to make a new set. The larger
tailfeathers are good for better longitudinal stability . The 582 is
recommended to be a 300hr TBO. Follow the maintenance schedule. There
are those who run them a lot longer but the succesful ones fly
frequently, don't abuse the engine and keep a close eye on performance.
Perhaps Mr Robertson will chime in on maintenance. The Model II is a
good, fun, low and slow, and cozy kind of airplane. If built
lightweight the shortfield performance will astonish you but you will be
very intimate with any passenger and you shouldn't be in a hurry to get
anywhere
Jerry Liles
Grant Bright wrote:
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Hello All,
Been reading the list for a while now and really appreciate
how great this Kitfox list is. The help and good nature of
everyone is very enjoyable and informative.
I've got the bug to get a Kitfox, but don't have the $$ to
get a model IV with a 912.
Am looking at a model II that has had a model III tail
installed (several years back) to improve handling.
1) Is out of the ballpark (Braves fan) to even think about
exchanging the wings and building series IV wings?
2) How many hours, with good care, can the 582 run?
3) Is pulling the head and de-carbonizing the pistons a
regular event? Or is a motor that needs this running too
rich/too much oil injected?
Not sure if there are many Kitfoxes in the Atlanta area (?).
If there are...we ought to have a fly in or a get together.
Many thanks for all help.
Thanks,
Grant
Atlanta, GA
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Michel
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| Posted: Sun Mar 26, 2006 12:14 pm Post subject: Model II tail & 3 questions |
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On Mar 26, 2006, at 6:09 PM, Jerry Liles wrote:
| Quote: | Personally I don't see why you would want to go to all the trouble of
changing wings.
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I have to agree with Jerry, Grant. I have a beautiful model 3 and I
don't see why I should need anything else. Why would you want the
model IV wings? To fly faster? But then you'll have to look at the
angle of attack and thickness of the windshield. How about the
flaperons? Do you intend to change them too? I think you should keep
things as they are and spend time flying this fun plane, instead of
building something new.
I had a 582 engine on my Kitfox, until I changed it for a Jabiru last
winter. The 582 (and Jabiru!) are great engines. The former requires
probably more care, as Jerry says. I used to open the engine and
de-carbonise every 50 hours. But I don't think it was really necessary.
I sold the engine at 270 hours and it went in our club's Rans and flew
another 200 hours, I think.
The engine can run more than the 300 TBO but you should have someone
who knows about the Rotax to have a look at it. If the engine has the
old crankshaft (before 1993, I think) you may need to change it at 300
hours. Or, you can try to get hold an engine block from a new "blue
top" 582, as I know of a friend who did it. As an extra measure of
safety, I also purchased the Conrod Clearance measuring tool. A simple
device that can measure the slack you have in your engine, crankshaft,
conrod and piston. I used to measure it every 10 hours and plot the
clearance. As long as it is constantly well under the tolerance, there
is nothing that will happen dramatically to you engine so fast. Give it
a good maintenance and you will love it. I am sure Bob Robertson, our
Rotax specialist will confirm that.
.. this being said, the Jabiru is a very good engine too! 
Cheers,
Michel
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bmwebb(at)cox.net
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| Posted: Sun Mar 26, 2006 4:33 pm Post subject: Model II tail & 3 questions |
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Grant,
I'm in Warner Robins with a Model 2/582. Come on down and I'll give you a
ride, and we can talk about it. Email me off-list, and I'll shoot you my
phone number.
Bradley
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Ceashman(at)aol.com
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| Posted: Mon Mar 27, 2006 3:06 am Post subject: Model II tail & 3 questions |
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message posted by: "Grant Bright"
| Quote: | Not sure if there are many Kitfoxes in the Atlanta area (?).
If there are...we ought to have a fly in or a get together.
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| Quote: | Many thanks for all help.
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Hello Grant.
There are a number of foxes in the Atlanta area. I live very close and to the
east of Stone Mountain.
I have a IV with a 912,. but contact off list if you want.
Cheers Eric.
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N3pupnc(at)aol.com
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| Posted: Mon Mar 27, 2006 4:07 am Post subject: Model II tail & 3 questions |
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I just puchased a kitfox IV with a 582
Warren Miller
Taylorville North Carolina
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