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tc1917(at)bellsouth.net
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Posted: Sun May 24, 2009 2:38 am Post subject: rivets

sorry about the name change, meant the same person, just had the wrong 

handle on it.  (age thing).  Sorry Dondi -- you are nicer than Dolly anyway. 

Actually, now that you mention alum. rivets -- according to an aviation mech 

for the Navy, Yes, we SHOULD be using alum rivets.  I dont think you want to 

either pay for or pull these rivets though. I think they are called cherry 

max or something like that.   Steel rivets of good quality should do the 

trick.  Hinges and such are still the same thing, light weight alum tube 

either way.  The new tubes for most all the planes out there, other than the 

five rib firestar, are all a thicker quality and might quite easily take the 

SS rivets.  My remarks were zeroed in on the five rib, light weight original 

firestar and any others with the thin walled tubing.

Hope this clearifies this.  ted

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rowedenny

Joined: 09 Mar 2008
Posts: 338
Location: Western PA

Posted: Sun May 24, 2009 3:40 am Post subject: rivets

Just to make sure everyone is clear on this, under NO circumstance should 

you use plain aluminum pop rivets in the construction of a Kolb aircraft.

Good quality steel or stainless steel pop rivets only.

Aluminum pop rivets of the downspout type are nowhere near strong enough for 

aircraft use.



Denny Rowe



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 sorry about the name change, meant the same person, just had the wrong

 handle on it.  (age thing).  Sorry Dondi -- you are nicer than Dolly 

 anyway.

 Actually, now that you mention alum. rivets -- according to an aviation 

 mech

 for the Navy, Yes, we SHOULD be using alum rivets.  I dont think you want 

 to

 either pay for or pull these rivets though. I think they are called cherry

 max or something like that.   Steel rivets of good quality should do the

 trick.  Hinges and such are still the same thing, light weight alum tube

 either way.  The new tubes for most all the planes out there, other than 

 the

 five rib firestar, are all a thicker quality and might quite easily take 

 the

 SS rivets.  My remarks were zeroed in on the five rib, light weight 

 original

 firestar and any others with the thin walled tubing.

 Hope this clearifies this.  ted

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mdnanwelch7(at)hotmail.co
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Posted: Sun May 24, 2009 5:51 am Post subject: rivets

Thanks for the reply Ted C and Denny C

  

   Like I said C I purchased the SS rivets for attaching my ailerons and flaps.  I planned on using these C but got the impression Ted was saying aluminum ones would be better.  I will continue with "Plan A" and use the SS rivets.

  

 Thanks again C  Mike Welch

 

[quote] Just to make sure everyone is clear on this C under NO circumstance should 

 you use plain aluminum pop rivets in the construction of a Kolb aircraft.

 Good quality steel or stainless steel pop rivets only.

 Aluminum pop rivets of the downspout type are nowhere near strong enough for 

 aircraft use.

 

 Denny Rowe

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slyck(at)frontiernet.net
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Posted: Sun May 24, 2009 6:45 am Post subject: rivets

some interesting info:



http://www.zenithair.com/kit-data/ht-87-1.html

scroll to the page bottom for his flush rivet mod

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		  Thanks for the reply Ted, and Denny,

 

  Like I said, I purchased the SS rivets for attaching my ailerons and flaps.  I planned on using these, but got the impression Ted was saying aluminum ones would be better.  I will continue with "Plan A" and use the SS rivets.

 

Thanks again,  Mike Welch

 

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		   Just to make sure everyone is clear on this, under NO circumstance should 

 you use plain aluminum pop rivets in the construction of a Kolb aircraft.

 Good quality steel or stainless steel pop rivets only.

 Aluminum pop rivets of the downspout type are nowhere near strong enough for 

 aircraft use.

 

 Denny Rowe


	


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lcottrell

Joined: 29 May 2006
Posts: 1494
Location: Jordan Valley, Or

Posted: Sun May 24, 2009 7:42 am Post subject: rivets

After 2,933.7 hours on my mkIII, it still has  all its SS rivets.  

  

 Built the US in 1984, with carbon steel.  Some  of them rusted.  When I got ready to build the FS in 1986, Kolb was still  shipping carbon steel rivets with their kits.  Little Mike got me SS rivets  for my FS.  Soon after, kits were shipped with SS rivets.   

  

 Never had a problem with corrosion between the SS  rivets and aluminum.

  

 Was true, the US and original FS were shipped with  .028" 6061 leading and trailing edge tubes, and 5/16" rib tubes.  Later  kits had .032" tubing.  Not a whole lot of difference when you get right  down to the nitty gritty.

  

 Takes a really crude craftsman to screw up  construction of a Kolb kit, but I guess there are of few of those out  there.

  

 john h

 mkIII

 Rock House, OR

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  Like I said, I    purchased the SS rivets for attaching my ailerons and flaps.  I planned    on using these, but got the impression Ted was saying aluminum ones would be    better.  I will continue with "Plan A" and use the SS    rivets.

 

Thanks again,  Mike Welch

 

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