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tc1917(at)bellsouth.net
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 Posted: Sat May 23, 2009 2:42 am Post subject: older firestar |
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I am again going to chime in and mention something about SS rivets. If this
is an older Firestar, five rib, etc., you have better check the size and
thickness of the tubing. The older firestars had really thin tubing on the
leading and trailing edges. Now, it is my opinion (my opinion AND
experience) that if you are the first one to drill the holes, they are nice
and tight and MIGHT hold a SS rivet but you will really suffer if you have
to repair damage or recover later. If it is a repair job, the holes have
been reamed out by drilling or possibly someone used an oversized drill
(this was recommended way back when) to facilitate rivet installation, your
SS rivets might crack the holes, pull through or not even pop when
installed. (you are going to hate yourself in the morning). If you are
going to keep the bird in a hanger or trailer or whatever, the rivets are
going to only get minimal exposure to moister. Some of the builders put
anti rust stuff on the rivets before covering (if they were flying over
water) and I think that might be a good idea. Again, if you pull SS rivets
on these lightweight tubes, you are looking and are going to find trouble.
A bunch of you who have not rebuild a dozen of these crafts in the last ten
or twelve years, are going to resist or say bull s____t but, I am telling
you, dislike materials dont like each other to begin with, i.e., steel (SS)
rivets vs very thin alum.and you know what, alum usually looses. My
opinion. By the way, these suggestions were passed on to me by Dennis S.
back when I was a nubie at this. I have never had one come apart. Up to
you. Hope you have a great time. By the way, eliminating the silver
undercoat UV protectant-filler, you can save a ton of money and weight and
use the UV protection you add to the poly tone paint. Call Dolly and she
can explain it to you. Works for me. Lots of ways to save money and weight
for the ole five ribber. Have a great weekend. Thanks for the pics of MV.
Gotta do that some day. Ted Cowan, Alabama, Slingshot, 912, zoom zoom.
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mdnanwelch7(at)hotmail.co
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| Posted: Sat May 23, 2009 4:38 am Post subject: older firestar |
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>Call Dolly and she
| Quote: | can explain it to you. Works for me. Lots of ways to save money and weight
for the ole five ribber. Have a great weekend. Thanks for the pics of MV.
Gotta do that some day. Ted Cowan C Alabama C Slingshot C 912 C zoom zoom.
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Ted C
No argumment with your rivet experience or beliefs C but respectfully C the lovely lady's name is Dondi C not Dolly. Unless C of course C we were talking about Parton. She's lovely C too.
To clear matters up C were you making the point that we should use aluminum rivets C instead of SS rivets? I recently bought a huge supply of SS rivets C specifically for attaching my ailerons and flaps. Is it your opinion that a guy should just use aluminum ones?
Mike Welch
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bikefair
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| Posted: Sun May 24, 2009 4:18 am Post subject: older firestar |
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Hi All, reply to rivet comments. I don't remember any references where kolb recommended using aluminum rivets, I believe the discussion is between using steel rivets which came with many kits or the use of stainless steel rivets. (Steel Rivets vs. Stainless Steel Rivets), you should not use aluminum rivets anywhere except on wing fabric attach special rivet per instruction of the plans.
I Also remember the recommendations about mixing a sun blocker with the poly tone paint and skipping an expensive and heavy silver sun blocking coat to save weight and cost, this is especially true if the plane is hangered and not going to set outside all the time.
Couldn't resist the comment and old memories, hope I got it right.
Jim H, 4 kolbs.
REF: Mike. To clear matters up=2C were you making the point that we should use alumi
num rivets=2C instead of SS rivets? I recently bought a huge supply of SS
rivets=2C specifically for attaching my ailerons and flaps. Is it your opi
nion that a guy should just use aluminum ones?
REF: Ted. By the way, eliminating the silver
undercoat UV protectant-filler, you can save a ton of money and weight and
use the UV protection you add to the poly tone paint.
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