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AV8ORJWC
Joined: 13 Jul 2006
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Location: Aurora, Oregon "Home of VANS"
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 Posted: Mon May 25, 2009 11:22 pm Post subject: Slightly Off Topic: Quality Continual Flight Training |
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Too often I read posts of friends who talk of the ease of flying RVs and how they don't need Advanced/Emergency Training. In my thirty six years of flying I have lost way too many acquaintences and close friends. I want Advanced Training for all RV-10 pilots and tomorrow is none to soon. Deems , Count me "IN".
Saturday I lost a friend from work, Scott Resnick-49, who was flying a Lancair 320 (as the instructor, now with a wonderful widow and four great kids- fatherless) with the new, second owner (a non-builder - 29 years old) of the Lancair. He was flying from Hillsboro, OR to his uncle's funeral in Prescott, AZ. They almost made it - NOT.
I just read that the most prolific RV-10 builder in the world, Steve Raddatz has died in his RV when it collided in formation with another of my Red Star buddy's Nanchang CJ-6. As many of you know, I fly a Nanchang CJ-6A to OSH each year. The RV's wing fell off, crashing on the campus of a Community College. The Nanchang was damaged, but my friend BJ survived. You guy's talking of being Hot Sticks and the Easy To Fly RV-10's have a perspective I learned to shelve years ago. Let me say here. We are on different planets as I go back to crying a while longer. I don't ask why any more. I ask again..... Who is next?
To Steve's partner and Steve's grieving/ surviving family... I deeply feel your loss. His RV-10 creations were considered the best around by another RV-10 builder on this list (and that builder I respect).
Strive to be the safest pilot you can (Male or Female)... find a great instructor who can fly the RV-10 under the most difficult of circumstances. Don't buy the casual dialog. Let's raise a toast to Steve Raddatz's memory and kick off comprehensive and appropriate training that a few of us need - in his name. Let's raise the bar for RV-10's.
John Cox
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From: Ben Westfall
Sent: Mon 5/25/2009 10:46 PM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: Slightly Off Topic: Portable intercom and Flight Training
[quote]--> RV10-List message posted by: "Ben Westfall" <rv10(at)sinkrate.com> All RV's are "hot fighters" compared to just about any normally available GA airplane. I'm sure I'll get a lot of shit for this but personally I error on the conservative side and I don't thinks it's prudent to fly any RV w/o at least 200-250 hours of logged total time (and that's pushing it in my mind). I started flying at 22 years of age in 1996. I flew my first RV, which was an RV4, in Nov 99 after accumulating about 450 hours in all sorts of cessna's from 152's to 206's to twins and some J3 time. I felt like a pretty competent pilot at that point but holy crap did I get my ass handed to me in the RV. Fortunately it stayed in one piece and I lived to tell about it. Turn a 24-25 year old loose in an RV-4 and look out. I don't consider them all that hard to fly but there is sooo much to learn why rush it? I do consider it cheating when you don't even have to think much about density altitude or takeoff/landing distance on a grass runway or gee I cannot climb above those clouds in my path or Vx takeoff and climbouts... being a great aviator should not be rushed (I don't claim to be one but hopefully some day). I like to feel like I "wear" an airplane whether it's upside down, right side up, on a hot day, or a shitty rainy one w/crappy visibility or an airport you're not familiar with whether it's at sea level or 5000+ft. That takes time period. RV's are easy to fly if you know "how to fly" but don't forget to really learn how to fly. Don't be in a rush to "move up". Make sure you've eeked every bit of knowledge from the plane you're learning in. Find a cheap trainer and fly it till the wheels fall of, fix it, and do it again. If you can afford to build a 10 you can afford to buy a 150/152 or equivalent and learn how to fly. Don't rush. You might be able to get that 10 built pronto but take a few years during the build and get several hundred hours. You'll never regret it and your not ready to fly that shiny new 10 anyway. Let's keep it to only having to learn the tough lessons from Dan Lloyd. Given more time he may have never learned but we'll never know. -Ben Westfall #40579 (finishing kit so what's that about half way?) --
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orchidman
Joined: 10 Jul 2006
Posts: 277
Location: Oklahoma City - KRCE
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| Posted: Tue May 26, 2009 4:05 am Post subject: Re: Slightly Off Topic: Quality Continual Flight Training |
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| AV8ORJWC wrote: | | Too often I read posts of friends who talk of the ease of flying RVs and how they don't need Advanced/Emergency Training. In my thirty six years of flying I have lost way too many acquaintences and close friends. I want Advanced Training for all RV-10 pilots and tomorrow is none to soon. Deems , Count me "IN". |
Having just gone through the training and first flight, I can not agree more with this. Insurance may want it, you should demand it of your self to take the training. I am wondering if an hour of refresher training after 60 to 80 hours would be in order. I am sure I will have developed some type of bad habits by then. It might be as simple as flying with another experienced -10 pilot.
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pitts_pilot(at)bellsouth.
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| Posted: Tue May 26, 2009 5:19 am Post subject: Slightly Off Topic: Quality Continual Flight Training |
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C'mon guys ..... I've only had a little 30 min demo flight (that I paid for) and y'all are starting to scare me!!!
But let me comment below:
John Cox wrote: | Quote: | Too often I read posts of friends who talk of the ease of flying RVs and how they don't need Advanced/Emergency Training. In my thirty six years of flying I have lost way too many acquaintences and close friends. I want Advanced Training for all RV-10 pilots and tomorrow is none to soon. Deems , Count me "IN".
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Well John, We've been flying for about the same time ..... and probably lost the same amount of friends ...... but I can honestly say that most of the losses occurred when they were doing things they shouldn't have. None of my missing friends left because they couldn't fly the airplane (although there were some I wouldn't call 'skilled pilots). | Quote: | Saturday I lost a friend from work, Scott Resnick-49, who was flying a Lancair 320 (as the instructor, now with a wonderful widow and four great kids- fatherless) with the new, second owner (a non-builder - 29 years old) of the Lancair. He was flying from Hillsboro, OR to his uncle's funeral in Prescott, AZ. They almost made it - NOT.
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But you didn't say what caused the accident!
| Quote: | I just read that the most prolific RV-10 builder in the world, Steve Raddatz has died in his RV when it collided in formation with another of my Red Star buddy's Nanchang CJ-6. As many of you know, I fly a Nanchang CJ-6A to OSH each year. The RV's wing fell off, crashing on the campus of a Community College. The Nanchang was damaged, but my friend BJ survived.
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Truly fortunate that one survived! Midairs are most often fatal to all involved. I feel your pain for Steve .... and am elated that one survived. I love to fly formation ..... makes my 'trips' go faster .... but (as I'm sure you're aware) the level of risk is 1,000 times greater than just flying the airplane. I haven't flown one in formation (remember the demo flight?) but it appears that it would make a very good formation platform.
| Quote: | You guy's talking of being Hot Sticks and the Easy To Fly RV-10's have a perspective I learned to shelve years ago.
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Well, that's half right, I guess. I've not read of any 'Hot Sticks' on my lists. To the contrary, I seem to detect a whole lot of humility.
| Quote: | Let me say here. We are on different planets as I go back to crying a while longer. I don't ask why any more. I ask again..... Who is next?
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Thank God we don't know! We do what we do because we really love the activity .... OK, I'll admit it ..... I'm addicted ..... and accept the risk. It's what sets us apart from the rest of the ground-attached population.
| Quote: | To Steve's partner and Steve's grieving/ surviving family... I deeply feel your loss.
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I too feel the loss. I didn't know your friends ..... the names were new to me ..... but they were kindred spirits ..... and, like the friends I've lost, ...... will be missed terribly by their friends and family. Sometimes Life sucks.
| Quote: | His RV-10 creations were considered the best around by another RV-10 builder on this list (and that builder I respect).
Strive to be the safest pilot you can (Male or Female)...
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It's important to a long life and enjoyment of our hobby. Anything less will bite you in the butt.
| Quote: | find a great instructor who can fly the RV-10 under the most difficult of circumstances.
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Is there really one out there??? I think the breed is sufficiently young for the 'super instructor' to still be in training.
| Quote: | Don't buy the casual dialog.
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I haven't seen that either. I haven't detected anything less than a professional approach to the 'art' of flying the -10. I surely haven't seen the 'if you got your ticket recently in a 150 then you shouldn't have a problem with the -10' mentality.
| Quote: | Let's raise a toast to Steve Raddatz's memory and kick off comprehensive and appropriate training that a few of us need - in his name. Let's raise the bar for RV-10's.
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I'll drink to that!
Having said all this, I must say I don't know John .... except from this list. I have to hope that some of the comments he's made here (and which I responded to) are borne of the pain from his (and our) losses. I only hope that if I depart this world early, that somebody will feel about me as John feels about his friends.
I had a tough time yesterday remembering some of my fellow Vets that have gone before me ...... and I'm grateful that we don't honer them every week (as maybe we should) because it's painful for me. And maybe I'm grateful that we don't have a 'National Day of Mourning' for our fallen aviators for the same reason. I prefer to think of them now and then throughout the year ..... it kinda spreads the pain out.
So, yesterday I went flying ...... and I took the memories of my 'missing' friends with me .... to share a little of my joy of flying ..... it was good therapy.
Kudos to you John! I hope to get some face time with you someday ..... I think you'd be a fascinating person to get to know.
Linn
PS .... Y'all be safe out there!
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