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Could someone please revisit the issues of selecting a tilt vs sliding canopy on the RV-7?
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| Posted: Wed Jun 03, 2009 6:15 am Post subject: Tilt vs Slider |
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Heyden Thomas wrote: | Quote: | .hmmessage P { margin:0px; padding:0px } body.hmmessage { font-size: 10pt; font-family:Verdana }
Could someone please revisit the issues of selecting a tilt vs sliding canopy on the RV-7?
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Just a moment ............ back now from revisiting the issue; yup, still a personal preference item with no chance of changing anyone's opinion.
IMHO the question is: do you want to give up comfort while taxiing on hot days for a somewhat less obstructed view out of the canopy?
Steve Eberhart
RV-7A slider, Airworthiness Inspection scheduled for next week
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| Posted: Wed Jun 03, 2009 6:55 am Post subject: Tilt vs Slider |
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slider:
It looks cooler on the ground and taxi
It is cooler to taxi on hot days
More protection for instruments in rainy weather
tilt:
Much better visibility and a feeling of openness when flying
I originally had a slider for my kit. After flying in several RVs with sliders and tilts I exchanged my slider hardware for a tilt and built it with a tilt.
If I built another plane I would probably stick with a tilt-- but I might waver a bit. Either way they are great planes.
Get rides in both and see which YOU prefer.
dave
RV 7A, 77 hours and in the paint shop
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FisherPaulA(at)johndeere.
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| Posted: Wed Jun 03, 2009 7:21 am Post subject: Tilt vs Slider |
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I agree it is a personal preference, but the deciding factor for me was easy maintenance access to the back of the instrument panel – so I built a tilt up. But as Dave said, either way it’s a great airplane.
Paul A. Fisher
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Subject: Re: Tilt vs Slider
slider:
It looks cooler on the ground and taxi
It is cooler to taxi on hot days
More protection for instruments in rainy weather
tilt:
Much better visibility and a feeling of openness when flying
I originally had a slider for my kit. After flying in several RVs with sliders and tilts I exchanged my slider hardware for a tilt and built it with a tilt.
If I built another plane I would probably stick with a tilt-- but I might waver a bit. Either way they are great planes.
Get rides in both and see which YOU prefer.
dave
RV 7A, 77 hours and in the paint shop
On Jun 3, 2009, at 5:12 AM, Heyden Thomas wrote:
Could someone please revisit the issues of selecting a tilt vs sliding canopy on the RV-7?
Thanks,
Vmax
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| Posted: Wed Jun 03, 2009 9:43 am Post subject: Tilt vs Slider |
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I fly a 6(adopted)with a slider and I have been for rides in tip ups. Bottom line it is personal preface.
The deciding factor for me is safety. Look around the web and you can find some pictures and a video or two of RVs on there backs. It is obvious (to me) that there is little protection in front of the seats with the tip up. With the slider you have the roll bar in front and a bulkhead behind for rollover protection. I know of at least one guy that built a tip up and unfortunately ended up on his back when he rebuilt it as a slider. Obviously no one intends to end a flight with there plane upside down but stuff happens.
To me safety out weighed the visibility factor. I am building a 7 and it will be a slider. Whatever you build you will be happy with it.
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| Posted: Wed Jun 03, 2009 10:22 am Post subject: Tilt vs Slider |
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Find a picture of each type canopy. Decide if you want a bar around, ove and infront of you or one behind and above you. The tipup might be a bit more airtight. The slider could be cooler looking with your arm hanging out as you taxi. Each is a challange to install. Tipup is prone to chipping the canopy at the rear lower edges. The slider seems to leak air infrom the rear. I built the tipup myself. If doing it again, I would try the slider.Â
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Tfhe majority of builders tend to go with the slider and they want to be cool looking and somewhat cooler in temp when on the ground.Â
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| Posted: Wed Jun 03, 2009 11:00 am Post subject: Tilt vs Slider |
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I've heard of problems with tilt-ups getting water inside the avionics. I have a 7A with a slider and when I wash the plane or it rains hard, I get "some" small amount of water dripping from the junction of the slider and the windscreen. Does anyone have a cleaver way of preventing these leaks?
Garry Stout
Tampa, FL
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| Posted: Wed Jun 03, 2009 11:28 am Post subject: Tilt vs Slider |
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yeah - a guy named Fred Stucklen in CT did a clever thing with waterproof fabric over the area, held in place by velcro strips fwd & aft
i'll see if i can scare up some pics of it
brian
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Subject: Re: Tilt vs Slider
I've heard of problems with tilt-ups getting water inside the avionics. I have a 7A with a slider and when I wash the plane or it rains hard, I get "some" small amount of water dripping from the junction of the slider and the windscreen. Does anyone have a cleaver way of preventing these leaks?
Garry Stout
Tampa, FL
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franz(at)lastfrontierheli
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| Posted: Wed Jun 03, 2009 11:36 am Post subject: Tilt vs Slider |
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I have a slider, flying for 300h now, I choose it because I believe it offers better protection in case of an unfortunate event when you end up upside down on the ground, hopefully I would also be able to slide it back enough to get out. Tip up are easier to work behind the panel and offer better all around view, although I put in some access panels ahead of the windshield which work great,
Franz
On 03/06/09 11:03 AM, "Larry Helming" <[url=lrhelming(at)gmail.com]lrhelming(at)gmail.com[/url]> wrote:
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Tfhe majority of builders tend to go with the slider and they want to be cool looking and somewhat cooler in temp when on the ground.
Good Luck. Indiana Larry
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frank.hinde(at)hp.com
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| Posted: Wed Jun 03, 2009 11:40 am Post subject: Tilt vs Slider |
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Sweet..Post them here cus I have the same issue on my tip up...water on the GNS430W does not sound like a good idea
From: owner-rv7-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv7-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Brian Meyette
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Subject: RE: Tilt vs Slider
yeah - a guy named Fred Stucklen in CT did a clever thing with waterproof fabric over the area, held in place by velcro strips fwd & aft
i'll see if i can scare up some pics of it
brian
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bmeyette
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| Posted: Wed Jun 03, 2009 12:12 pm Post subject: Tilt vs Slider |
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here's a picture of how Fred covered his avionics under the tipup
i plan to do something similar
the nylon is held in place fwd & aft by velcro strips
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Subject: Re: Tilt vs Slider
I've heard of problems with tilt-ups getting water inside the avionics. I have a 7A with a slider and when I wash the plane or it rains hard, I get "some" small amount of water dripping from the junction of the slider and the windscreen. Does anyone have a cleaver way of preventing these leaks?
Garry Stout
Tampa, FL
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| Posted: Wed Jun 03, 2009 12:46 pm Post subject: Tilt vs Slider |
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I have a tip up. I replace the rubber caulking around the area where the canopy frame meets the fuselage at each annual. ( it seems to get squished a bit)  In addition, I have built what I call a drain/gutter made of heavy plastic sheet that is glued to the sub panel. It lets any water that comes in drain to the side where it misses the critical electronics. IN ADDITION, I park outside when at Oshkosh under a canopy cover. I have hear of others taking along a roll of electrician's tape and taping that critical seam while parked without cover at Oshkosh. I have a fiberglas strip covering the rear canopy seam cut.Â
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After four years and flying, some through rain -- but not a lot of it, I have not had damage to the electonics due to water. (KNOCK ON WOOD)
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Indiana Larry
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i'll see if i can scare up some pics of it
brian
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Subject: Re: Tilt vs Slider
I've heard of problems with tilt-ups getting water inside the avionics. I have a 7A with a slider and when I wash the plane or it rains hard, I get "some" small amount of water dripping from the junction of the slider and the windscreen. Does anyone have a cleaver way of preventing these leaks?
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Tampa, FL
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| Posted: Wed Jun 03, 2009 1:24 pm Post subject: Tilt vs Slider |
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If you still fly with a training wheel on the nose, then you might as well build the tip- up. However...
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Just a moment ............ back now from revisiting the issue; yup, still a personal preference item with no chance of changing anyone's opinion.
IMHO the question is: do you want to give up comfort while taxiing on hot days for a somewhat less obstructed view out of the canopy?
Steve Eberhart
RV-7A slider, Airworthiness Inspection scheduled for next week
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sreynard
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If you are still flying with an obsolete landing gear design, you
might as well build the slider. Anything that improves visibility or
ease of flying may be too much of a change. Perhaps you should forgo
an electrical system as well. . . . 
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On Wed, 3 Jun 2009 14:17:16 -0700 (PDT) steve <steve282s(at)yahoo.com> wrote
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Personally, that's the configuration that I always thought didn't look right. Slider on both models looks good, and the tip-up canopy on the tailwheel models looks good, but tip-up on the nosewheel models seems really strange.
Keep in mind that the -A models tend to want to tip on their tails if you have too much weight aft during entry/egress, most notably if two people step up on the steps at the same time. With a tip-up canopy, you'll tend to lean back getting in to avoid the canopy, which may exacerbate the problem. The slider forces you to be further forward on the wing, keeping you where you won't tip.
Mind you, this is just my impression of the configuration... I don't know if two people getting into a tip-up nosewheel version would really cause the nosewheel to raise. It just seems like you're asking for trouble.
-Rob
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yup, still a personal preference item with no chance of changing anyone's
opinion. IMHO the question is: do you want to give up comfort while taxiing
on hot days for a somewhat less obstructed view out of the canopy? Steve
EberhartRV-7A slider, Airworthiness Inspection scheduled for next
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franz(at)lastfrontierheli
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Yes it does, happened to me during final inspection, me standing on the wing
and the inspector trying to climb up, scratched the tail cone
Franz
On 03/06/09 3:11 PM, "Rob Prior" <rv7(at)b4.ca> wrote:
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On Wed, 3 Jun 2009 14:17:16 -0700 (PDT) steve <steve282s(at)yahoo.com> wrote
> If you still fly with a training wheel on the nose, then you might as well
> build the tip-up.
Personally, that's the configuration that I always thought didn't look right.
Slider on both models looks good, and the tip-up canopy on the tailwheel
models looks good, but tip-up on the nosewheel models seems really strange.
Keep in mind that the -A models tend to want to tip on their tails if you have
too much weight aft during entry/egress, most notably if two people step up on
the steps at the same time. With a tip-up canopy, you'll tend to lean back
getting in to avoid the canopy, which may exacerbate the problem. The slider
forces you to be further forward on the wing, keeping you where you won't tip.
Mind you, this is just my impression of the configuration... I don't know if
two people getting into a tip-up nosewheel version would really cause the
nosewheel to raise. It just seems like you're asking for trouble.
-Rob
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> From: Steven Eberhart <steve(at)newtech.com>Subject: Re: Tilt vs
> SliderTo: rv7-list(at)matronics.comDate: Wednesday, June 3, 2009, 9:00 AM
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> Could someone please revisit the issues of selecting a tilt vs sliding canopy
> on the RV-7?Just a moment ............ back now from revisiting the issue;
> yup, still a personal preference item with no chance of changing anyone's
> opinion. IMHO the question is: do you want to give up comfort while taxiing
> on hot days for a somewhat less obstructed view out of the canopy? Steve
> EberhartRV-7A slider, Airworthiness Inspection scheduled for next
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| Posted: Wed Jun 03, 2009 7:27 pm Post subject: Tilt vs Slider |
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Subject: Re: Tilt vs Slider
I've heard of problems with tilt-ups getting water inside the avionics. I have a 7A with a slider and when I wash the plane or it rains hard, I get "some" small amount of water dripping from the junction of the slider and the windscreen. Does anyone have a cleaver way of preventing these leaks?
Garry Stout
Tampa, FL
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Happened to us with our RV-7A...
Cracked tail fairing.
Théo.
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