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Larry Webber

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Location: West Kingston Rhode Island

Posted: Sun Jun 14, 2009 4:34 pm Post subject: I got Zbagged three times on Friday - Flight Report.

hey tron guy C go to google type in zbag scroll down to urban legand definition   the definition sure fits     flame on 



 Larry



  



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		   Date: Sun C 14 Jun 2009 19:20:01 -0500

 From: jmaynard(at)conmicro.com

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 --> Zenith-List message posted by: Jay Maynard <jmaynard(at)conmicro.com>

 

 On Sun C Jun 14 C 2009 at 04:56:21PM -0700 C jonaburns wrote:

 > Thanks for once again showing your stability. That kind of language has

 > no business here.

 

 Neither do the personal attacks that seem to be the stock in trade of some

 posters around here. The use of the term "Zbagged" in such a fashion was the

 last straw for me.

 

 > This list has migrated from being entirely informative C to a polarized

 > mess. I am as guilty as many others as to keeping on topic C but this type

 > of reaction is not acceptable.

 

 Neither was the post that provoked it C or the subsequent post that used the

 same term.

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Posted: Mon Jun 15, 2009 5:53 am Post subject: I got Zbagged three times on Friday - Flight Report.

Hi, Jay.



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		  Too bad some folks feel compelled to make personal attacks against those who

are concerned for their safety and that of their passengers.


	


Being concerned for safety is one thing (and we all are). But choosing words that purposely inflame the debate by polarizing those who have honest differences of opinion really serves no use.



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		  The problem I have is that those on the other side of the fence are assuming

the exact opposite: that there is no fatal flaw, and cannot be, and that the

rash of inflight breakups can be exclusively attributed to builder and pilot

error.


	


My feeling that this in not a binary issue, but one more of analog nature. When pilots overstress the airframe (accidentally or through poor decision making), the airframe will not tolerate it. As with most aviation accidents, it's a combination of events that result in airframe failure. And with loose aileron cables, flutter could very well be the starting point of a tragic, catastrophic failure. But it's been proved that this is a non-issue with properly tensioned cables.



I don't think we can neatly divide people into one side of the fence or the other. We all have concerns about the 601 airframe integrity, to a varying degree. It's most likely OK the way it is, when flown conservately in good weather. But would I like to see a mod that raises the ultimate G loading? Sure I would.



At this age, I applaud anything that makes me worry less!



Rick Lindstrom

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