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europa(at)pstewart.f2s.co
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Posted: Tue Jun 09, 2009 1:51 am Post subject: tank size

anyone tell me total fuel capacity and reserve side capacity.



regards



Paul

G-GIDY

raimo.toivio(at)rwm.fi
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Posted: Tue Jun 09, 2009 2:13 am Post subject: tank size

I assume I have 68 liters including 9 liters reserve side.



Raimo OH-XRT 117 hrs

- almosto too happy with Airmaster and Trio

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nwcmc(at)tiscali.co.uk
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Posted: Tue Jun 09, 2009 5:31 am Post subject: tank size

It will vary. Not just between individual tanks but with time. My total

tank started out at 69 litres and swelled to 75 litres and then finally

stabilised at 76 litres.



Nigel Charles



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loboloda(at)execulink.com
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Posted: Tue Jun 09, 2009 6:28 am Post subject: tank size

I just emptied my tank and re-filled 5 litres at a time to calibrate  

a fuel gauge.

Topped out at 65 litres, although I might have had a 5% or so  

overfill with each 5 litre input.



Dave C-FBZI

On 9-Jun-09, at 5:49 AM, europa(at)pstewart.f2s.com wrote:



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 anyone tell me total fuel capacity and reserve side capacity.



 regards



 Paul

 G-GIDY

jpg12305

Joined: 16 Jul 2008
Posts: 23

Posted: Sat Jun 13, 2009 10:27 am Post subject: Re: tank size

I get 65 liters total, 7 liters reserve.



It seems there is significant variability here....



Jean-Paul

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paul.the.aviator(at)gmail
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Posted: Sat Jun 13, 2009 11:50 am Post subject: tank size

Hi Jean-Paul & others



I measured mine last year and I seemed be able to get a little more in after 4 years of "bulging and sagging" of the tank. I came us with 19.1 US Gallons which is 72 liters in total.

 

Paul

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jpg12305

Joined: 16 Jul 2008
Posts: 23

Posted: Fri Jun 19, 2009 9:40 am Post subject: Re: tank size

BTW I observed a nasty issue when leaving the aircraft outside on a warm day, tank full (or close to). 



Fuel spills off the vent, for what I presume being a significant quantity (taints the paint, and significant traces on the ground).



This drove me to the assumption that a significant empty space remains over the fuel, due to fuselage pitch on ground (3 wheels Europa's may not exert that). With warming, vapor tension increases and push fuel out into the vent.

I feel this ceiling space is wasted, on top of the spillage issue. Probably a tube extending front from the vent port into the tank could permit carrying more fuel, while avoiding the warming issue.



Has anyone already experienced and solved that?



Many thanks in advance,



Jean-Paul

frans(at)paardnatuurlijk.
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Posted: Fri Jun 19, 2009 10:14 am Post subject: tank size

jpg12305 wrote:

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		   Probably a tube extending front from

 the vent port into the tank could permit carrying more fuel, while

 avoiding the warming issue.


	


You could use the same outlet, if you attach a small copper pipe to it,

extending to the upper front of the tank. I'm doing that, because the

tri-gear, while sitting on its trailer, is also resting with its tail

down, and filling the tank while driving to the airport would give me

the same problem.



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Frans Veldman

jrgowing(at)bigpond.net.a
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Posted: Fri Jun 19, 2009 4:44 pm Post subject: tank size

Is vibration going to crack off the pipe?

JR (Bob) gowing UK Kit 327 in Oz



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jpg12305

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Posted: Fri Jun 19, 2009 10:03 pm Post subject: Re: tank size

The solution is actually in the latest CBM-16 build manual I got from the Europa website.     



The vent fitting F09B mounting instructions now clearly shows that a 30cm aluminium extension tube must be bonded with Redux. 

This was not mentioned in my original Classic manual, and I just need to go for a retrofit.

pjeffers(at)talktalk.net
Guest

Posted: Sat Jun 20, 2009 1:08 am Post subject: tank size

Hi,

I think many of us have seen this issue of fuel venting on warm to hot days

due to air/fuel vapour expansion.

The cure (and it works fine) is to route the vent pipe from the tank, to the

filler neck instead of the roof vent tube.  Thus as fuel tries to vent

overboard, as in the past, it now vents back into the tank.  Saves the mess

on the paintwork and also saves precious fuel!!!

You will however still need to vent the tank, so a further connection into

the filler neck now needs to be connected to the roof vent tube.

A further refinement used by some is to move the roof vent tube to the

bottom of the fuselage instead of the top.  This later part of the mod

ensures that if for any reason the aircraft ends up inverted, fuel does not

run freely from the vent tube as it would if it remained on top of the

fuselage.

I think you will find this fix simple and very effective.



Pete Jeffers

grahamsingleton(at)btinte
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Posted: Sat Jun 20, 2009 8:37 am Post subject: tank size

Peter Jeffers wrote:

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 Hi,

 I think many of us have seen this issue of fuel venting on warm to hot days

 due to air/fuel vapour expansion.

 The cure (and it works fine) is to route the vent pipe from the tank, to the

 filler neck instead of the roof vent tube.  Thus as fuel tries to vent

 overboard, as in the past, it now vents back into the tank.  Saves the mess

 on the paintwork and also saves precious fuel!!!

 You will however still need to vent the tank, so a further connection into

 the filler neck now needs to be connected to the roof vent tube.

 A further refinement used by some is to move the roof vent tube to the

 bottom of the fuselage instead of the top.  This later part of the mod

 ensures that if for any reason the aircraft ends up inverted, fuel does not

 run freely from the vent tube as it would if it remained on top of the

 fuselage.

 I think you will find this fix simple and very effective.



 Pete Jeffers

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houlihan(at)blueyonder.co
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Posted: Sat Jun 20, 2009 8:55 am Post subject: tank size

Hi

Would this solution work in the Classic original setup ? assuming you 

run the vent pipe to the top of the filler pipe in the alloy  receptacle



Tim Houlihan.



Graham Singleton wrote:

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		   Peter Jeffers wrote:

> 

> <pjeffers(at)talktalk.net>

>

> Hi,

> I think many of us have seen this issue of fuel venting on warm to 

> hot days

> due to air/fuel vapour expansion.

> The cure (and it works fine) is to route the vent pipe from the tank, 

> to the

> filler neck instead of the roof vent tube.  Thus as fuel tries to vent

> overboard, as in the past, it now vents back into the tank.  Saves 

> the mess

> on the paintwork and also saves precious fuel!!!

> You will however still need to vent the tank, so a further connection 

> into

> the filler neck now needs to be connected to the roof vent tube.

> A further refinement used by some is to move the roof vent tube to the

> bottom of the fuselage instead of the top.  This later part of the mod

> ensures that if for any reason the aircraft ends up inverted, fuel 

> does not

> run freely from the vent tube as it would if it remained on top of the

> fuselage.

> I think you will find this fix simple and very effective.

>

> Pete Jeffers

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grahamsingleton(at)btinte
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Posted: Sat Jun 20, 2009 9:13 am Post subject: tank size

Tim

should work fine but not as easy to fit a stub into the hose. Not sure 

how I'd do it

Graham



Tim Houlihan wrote:

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 <houlihan(at)blueyonder.co.uk>



 Hi

 Would this solution work in the Classic original setup ? assuming you 

 run the vent pipe to the top of the filler pipe in the alloy  receptacle



 Tim Houlihan.



 Graham Singleton wrote:

> Peter Jeffers wrote:

>> I think many of us have seen this issue of fuel venting on warm to 

>> hot days

>> due to air/fuel vapour expansion.

>> The cure (and it works fine) is to route the vent pipe from the 

>> tank, to the

>> filler neck instead of the roof vent tube.  Thus as fuel tries to vent

>> overboard, as in the past, it now vents back into the tank.  Saves 

>> the mess

>> on the paintwork and also saves precious fuel!!!

>> You will however still need to vent the tank, so a further 

>> connection int

grahamsingleton(at)btinte
Guest

Posted: Sat Jun 20, 2009 9:13 am Post subject: tank size

Tim

On second thoughts, I'd replace the big hose in the Classic with an 

aluminium tube, help to get rid of the fuel smell too!

Graham

houlihan(at)blueyonder.co
Guest

Posted: Sat Jun 20, 2009 1:50 pm Post subject: tank size

Hi Graham



That sounds like a good idea.

What wall thickness do you think would be required to allow the fuel 

hose to be clamped to the alloy tube at the elbow?



Tim



Graham Singleton wrote:

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 <grahamsingleton(at)btinternet.com>



 Tim

 On second thoughts, I'd replace the big hose in the Classic with an 

 aluminium tube, help to get rid of the fuel smell too!

 Graham





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