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paddyclarke(at)lineone.ne
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Posted: Mon Jul 06, 2009 3:22 am Post subject: Aircraft Covers in U.K.

Hi Folks,It looks as though I'm going to have to get some winter weight covers for my XS mono.

It seems that I have a choice between a fully waterproof felt backed material that isn't breathable, and a breathable canvass that is not so waterproof and deteriorates quicker.

The aircraft is 7 years old and was filled and primed with Polyfibre products. To date, I have had absolutely no issues with paint bubbling but I am concerned that keeping it outside in very wet conditions under a non-breathable cover may cause problems.

Has anyone had any experience of this - or not as the case may be?

Has anyone got any firms to be recommended or to be avoided?

What sort of material have others settled on?

Many Thanks, Paddy



 Paddy Clarke

Europa G-KIMM

 

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Ron Jones

Joined: 25 Apr 2008
Posts: 19
Location: UK

Posted: Mon Jul 06, 2009 7:43 am Post subject: Aircraft Covers in U.K.

Hi Paddy,

 My aircraft lived outside for the first few months  and it too, was primed with Polifiber - applied by roller.

 I had bought Cambrai covers, which are of the  canvas sort and are excellent, but after sitting under several inches of snow  and then ice when the snow melted, the dreaded "pimples" appeared! I can't say  whether fully waterproof ones would have protected the thing any  better!

 Since the a/c was stripped and re-painted using the  products supplied by Europa, I have had no further trouble - but she now lives  in a hangar!

  

 By the way, is your "lineone" email address still  valid 'cos I sent you a message a week or so ago!!

 Regards,

 Ron.

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paul.mitchell2(at)homecal
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Posted: Mon Jul 06, 2009 7:56 am Post subject: Aircraft Covers in U.K.

Paddy,

 I have found Sarah King of sky4covers a good choice  .Excellent workmanship and a choice of material. 

 www.sky4covers.co.uk

 Paul Mitchell

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rholder(at)avnet.co.uk
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Posted: Wed Jul 08, 2009 11:35 am Post subject: Aircraft Covers in U.K.

Paddy Clarke wrote:



 	  Quote: 	
		   Hi Folks,

 It looks as though I'm going to have to get some winter weight covers 

 for my XS mono.

 It seems that I have a choice between a fully waterproof felt backed 

 material that isn't breathable, and a breathable canvass that is not so 

 waterproof and deteriorates quicker.

 The aircraft is 7 years old and was filled and primed with Polyfibre 

 products. To date, I have had absolutely no issues with paint bubbling 

 but I am concerned that keeping it outside in very wet conditions under 

 a non-breathable cover may cause problems.

 Has anyone had any experience of this - or not as the case may be?

 Has anyone got any firms to be recommended or to be avoided?

 What sort of material have others settled on?


	


Paddy i used Velas in Ongar not a million miles from 

Stapleford.



The guy is a sail maker but has templates for lots of 

planes and his work is all over.



www.velas.co.uk



I am sure I could pick up and deliver for you if you wanted,



Richard

G-OWWW

paddyclarke(at)lineone.ne
Guest

Posted: Thu Jul 09, 2009 11:34 am Post subject: Aircraft Covers in U.K.

Hi Folks,Many thanks to all those who replied.

Before deciding on manufacturer I have to decide on which material, due to my use of Polyfibre products.

Is there anyone out there who used Polyfibre filler and/or primer and then kept their aircraft outside under covers, who didn't have bubbles appear in the paintwork?. If so, were the covers breathable or not?.

Do people who know about Polyfibre think that there are still potential problems in store with a finish completed 8 years ago?

Do people think you get condensation under fully waterproof covers?

Looking forward to many erudite replies,

All the best, paddy 

On 8 Jul 2009, at 20:30, R Holder wrote:

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topglock(at)cox.net
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Posted: Thu Jul 09, 2009 11:51 am Post subject: Aircraft Covers in U.K.

Hi Paddy,



My personal opinion:  Use only a breathable material.  Waterproof 

fabrics will condense moisture underneath.



Jeff - Baby Blue



Paddy Clarke wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		   Hi Folks,

 Many thanks to all those who replied.

 Before deciding on manufacturer I have to decide on which material, due 

 to my use of Polyfibre products.

 Is there anyone out there who used Polyfibre filler and/or primer and 

 then kept their aircraft outside under covers, who didn't have bubbles 

 appear in the paintwork?. If so, were the covers breathable or not?.

 Do people who know about Polyfibre think that there are still potential 

 problems in store with a finish completed 8 years ago?

 Do people think you get condensation under fully waterproof covers?

 Looking forward to many erudite replies,

 All the best, paddy 

 On 8 Jul 2009, at 20:30, R Holder wrote:

 

> 

> <mailto:rholder(at)avnet.co.uk>>

>

> Paddy Clarke wrote:

>

>> Hi Folks,

>> It looks as though I'm going to have to get some winter weight covers 

>> for my XS mono.

>> It seems that I have a choice between a fully waterproof felt backed 

>> material that isn't breathable, and a breathable canvass that is not 

>> so waterproof and deteriorates quicker.

>> The aircraft is 7 years old and was filled and primed with Polyfibre 

>> products. To date, I have had absolutely no issues with paint 

>> bubbling but I am concerned that keeping it outside in very wet 

>> conditions under a non-breathable cover may cause problems.

>> Has anyone had any experience of this - or not as the case may be?

>> Has anyone got any firms to be recommended or to be avoided?

>> What sort of material have others settled on?

>

> Paddy i used Velas in Ongar not a million miles from Stapleford.

>

> The guy is a sail maker but has templates for lots of planes and his 

> work is all over.

>

> www.velas.co.uk

>

> I am sure I could pick up and deliver for you if you wanted,

>

> Richard

> G-OWWW

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nwcmc(at)tiscali.co.uk
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Posted: Thu Jul 09, 2009 12:46 pm Post subject: Aircraft Covers in U.K.

Hi Paddy



I thought you might find the info below interesting. It comes from the

following website http://www.aircraftcovers.com/ in their faq section.



Nigel Charles

QUESTION: Is your cover waterproof? 

ANSWER: You do not want a cover made from "waterproof" material like a

plastic tarp. "Waterproof" materials do not breathe and will trap

moisture and condensation underneath the surface of the cover, which

will cause damage to the glass and to the paint. 

Our covers are treated for water-repellency and UV protection and are

water repellent enough to stop any leeks that may be occurring.

Furthermore, our covers are breathable. This means that water is allowed

to breathe through the cover or wick away off of the surface of the

plane. After a heavy rain, you may feel some dampness on the underside

of the cover. But this moisture will not be trapped under the cover, it

will breathe out and dry quickly. 

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QUESTION: What materials do you use? 

ANSWER: We us a nylon-based material called Silver Laminate that is

specially made for Bruce's Custom Covers and is pre-treated for water

repellency and UV protection, yet still breathes. It only comes in a

light-silvery grey color, which we have found to be the most reflective.

We also use a material called Sunbrella, an acrylic based material that

comes in about 40 different colors. Sunbrella is primarily used in the

marine industry for boat covers and is very color-fast, meaning it holds

its color quite well even when exposed to the sun for extended periods

of use. 



Both materials are effective in protecting your plane. Sunbrella comes

in colors, is slightly bulkier, stiffer and heavier and Silver Laminate

is lighter weight, and only comes in a light, silvery grey in color.

groups(at)bobcroweaircraf
Guest

Posted: Thu Jul 09, 2009 3:57 pm Post subject: Aircraft Covers in U.K.

I have one of those covers on a Beechcraft for the last 5 year I can't fault

it.



Tony



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willie.harrison(at)tinyon
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Posted: Mon Jul 13, 2009 1:42 am Post subject: Aircraft Covers in U.K.

Paddy



Mine lives in a weird microclimate inside a WWII nissen hut type  

hanger, with an unsealed floor, where it is frequently very humid and  

sometimes rains condensation. The one discovery I'd like to share is  

that I have found that a chemical dehumidifier (intended for  

caravans) has clearly kept the inside much drier than it was  

previously. This can only be a good thing for the instruments and  

electrics. An incidental benefit is that the misting problem I used  

to have in cold weather has largely gone away (I suspect that the  

upholstery had been acting like a reservoir for water which then took  

30 minutes of flight to dry out, and in the meantime was  

redistributing the moisture onto the windscreen and side windows).



Good luck finding the right cover.



Willie

On 9 Jul 2009, at 20:27, Paddy Clarke wrote:



 	  Quote: 	
		   Hi Folks,

 Many thanks to all those who replied.

 Before deciding on manufacturer I have to decide on which material,  

 due to my use of Polyfibre products.

 Is there anyone out there who used Polyfibre filler and/or primer  

 and then kept their aircraft outside under covers, who didn't have  

 bubbles appear in the paintwork?. If so, were the covers breathable  

 or not?.

 Do people who know about Polyfibre think that there are still  

 potential problems in store with a finish completed 8 years ago?

 Do people think you get condensation under fully waterproof covers?

 Looking forward to many erudite replies,

 All the best, paddy

 On 8 Jul 2009, at 20:30, R Holder wrote:

kees de bussy

Joined: 16 Jul 2009
Posts: 18
Location: the netherlands

Posted: Thu Jul 16, 2009 12:53 pm Post subject: Re: Aircraft Covers in U.K.

I have used Jaxida covers during last winter. Since February I have hangar space. Just before I got the hangar space the first bubbles appeared. In the hangar they almost disappeared, but now they are coming back and their number and size are increasing.



Is this because the plane was sitting outside, in the covers ? I don't know, but I could not determine  a clear relation between the area's which were more humid or the area's which were absolutely always dry.

 

The covers are o.k. but not perfect, after longer periods of rain it is pretty humid at certain places underneath and then it takes quite a while to dry up again (few days). S0 my experience is that during longer periods with bad weather the plane is far better off in a hangar. During summers like we have in Holland I think it would do no harm to keep the plane outside in good covers.



regards



Kees de Bussy

Europa XS PH-SBR

paddyclarke(at)lineone.ne
Guest

Posted: Sun Jul 19, 2009 11:09 am Post subject: Aircraft Covers in U.K.

Hi Willie,Good to hear from you. We got back this afternoon from France - a good trip but needless to say it would have been that much better with you two there!

I still haven't decided on the material for my covers, I also have a possibility of using a sort of marquee for the aircraft in the summer. I will be using an enclosed trailer in the winter. Both these could well benefit from your dehumidifier.

Hope to see you at a DOTH soon,

All the best, Paddy

On 13 Jul 2009, at 10:34, William Harrison wrote:

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