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Brian Steeves

Joined: 19 May 2009
Posts: 8
Location: Wahpeton, ND

Posted: Tue Jul 21, 2009 5:13 am Post subject: Rudder Rivet Question

I have just started my RV10 build and am now working on the rudder and have a question about getting at a rivet.



When installing the bottom rib R1004 to the skin.  There are the 2 rivets at the aft section where there is no room to get anything into buck the rivets.



Can any help me with a better way to do them?



Appreciate the help.

Brian

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jochs(at)froody.org
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Posted: Tue Jul 21, 2009 5:48 am Post subject: Rudder Rivet Question

One method is to back rivet it using a thin, flat piece of metal  

against the shop end of the rivet and use the flat set of the rivet  

gun... you put the gun on top of the metal right next to the rib and  

bang on the top of the metal.  An old chisel works pretty well for  

this.  Keep the rivet gun as close to the end of the chisel as you  

can.  Sorry I don't have a picture of it, but hopefully you get the  

idea.



Let me see if i can do an ascii art drawing 



						rivet gun

                                                      |              

------   upper rib flange

                                                     \/

----------------------------------------------------------> chisel/ 

flat piece of steel

                                                                        

o       shop head of rivet

                                                                      

-----     rib flange you are riveting

                                                               

------------- back rivet plate

On Jul 21, 2009, at 8:13 AM, BGS wrote:



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 I have just started my RV10 build and am now working on the rudder  

 and have a question about getting at a rivet.



 When installing the bottom rib R1004 to the skin.  There are the 2  

 rivets at the aft section where there is no room to get anything  

 into buck the rivets.



 Can any help me with a better way to do them?



 Appreciate the help.

 Brian





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Neal.George(at)hurlburt.a
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Posted: Tue Jul 21, 2009 5:51 am Post subject: Rudder Rivet Question

Brian -



If you have a pneumatic squeezer, a thin-nose, no-hole yoke may fit.



A short piece of steel bar stock clamped in your vice may be used as a anvil - 

this takes an extra set of hands to support the rudder while you guide the 

rivet into position and shoot it.



Or you could use a pop-rivet.



Neal






I have just started my RV10 build and am now working on the rudder and have a 

question about getting at a rivet.



When installing the bottom rib R1004 to the skin.  There are the 2 rivets at 

the aft section where there is no room to get anything into buck the rivets.



Can any help me with a better way to do them?



Appreciate the help.

Brian

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tc1234c(at)roadrunner.com
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Posted: Tue Jul 21, 2009 6:06 am Post subject: Rudder Rivet Question

The plan calls out blind rivet for the last hole (check the manual for

instruction). For the one before you can use the indirect riveting

technique.

If you are a member of EAA, here is the video:



http://eaa.org/video/homebuilders.html?videoId 9739765001



Ted

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Brian Steeves

Joined: 19 May 2009
Posts: 8
Location: Wahpeton, ND

Posted: Tue Jul 21, 2009 7:13 am Post subject: Re: Rudder Rivet Question

Thank you very much everyone for your help.  Should have used a little more common sense and probably would have figured it out. Over analyzing. 



Appreciate the help.



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Sstella(at)incisaledge.co
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Posted: Tue Jul 21, 2009 7:24 am Post subject: Rudder Rivet Question

I used the chisel idea on the second to the end and a blind rivet on the

last one.

Steve Stella

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jeff(at)westcottpress.com
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Posted: Tue Jul 21, 2009 9:12 am Post subject: Rudder Rivet Question

The bucking bar pictured below from Avery is a very useful tool.  Aside from letting you dimple hard to access areas with your rivet gun, a simple modification will allow you to set rivets in tight places.  I ground out a chunk of the bar as you can see in the attached pictures.  It gives you a very strong, but thin surface to slide in to those tight spaces and set rivets against.  I also counter sunk a couple of holes that, when push comes to shove, can be used with a rivet and gun to dimple holes in very tight spots.



Jeff Carpenter

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Doors (and not too happy about it)



 

 



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On Jul 21, 2009, at 6:13 AM, BGS wrote:

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I have just started my RV10 build and am now working on the rudder and have a question about getting at a rivet.



When installing the bottom rib R1004 to the skin.  There are the 2 rivets at the aft section where there is no room to get anything into buck the rivets.



Can any help me with a better way to do them?



Appreciate the help.

Brian





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daveleikam(at)wi.rr.com
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Posted: Tue Jul 21, 2009 8:17 pm Post subject: Rudder Rivet Question

I used a flat head screw driver as a bucking bar, with a back rivet plate 

behind.



Dave Leikam

RV-10 #40496

N89DA

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