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pavel569

Joined: 21 Dec 2007
Posts: 77

Posted: Tue Jul 21, 2009 5:22 am Post subject: Zodiacs in LA area

I'd like to get some time in Zodiac and I remember there was one flight school that was doing training in 601 XL but can not remember where. I guess, it was in Long Beach but I'm not 100% sure. 

Anybody knows if there is any in Southern California?

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lwinger

Joined: 21 Jun 2006
Posts: 229
Location: Tustin, CA

Posted: Tue Jul 21, 2009 7:28 am Post subject: Zodiacs in LA area

Several years ago there was an AMD at Torrance being used for instruction by Jon Thornburg, but it was sold and Jon is using other LSA aircraft.  The next closest was Dragonfly in Santa Rosa, but they have stopped instructing in the 601XL and are using a Gobosh.  I get no answers to my multiple voice messages to Silver Sky out of Chandler, AZ.  So I'm stumped as well. 

   

 Hopefully someone on the list will have better news for those of us in the Southwest U.S.

  

 Larry Winger

 Tustin, CA

 650/Corvair

 Canopy nearly done

 On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 6:22 AM, pavel569 <pm569(at)hotmail.com (pm569(at)hotmail.com)> wrote:

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I'd like to get some time in Zodiac and I remember there was one flight school that was doing training in 601 XL but can not remember where. I guess, it was in Long Beach but I'm not 100% sure.

Anybody knows if there is any in Southern California?

 

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Gig Giacona

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
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Location: El Dorado Arkansas USA

Posted: Tue Jul 21, 2009 7:33 am Post subject: Re: Zodiacs in LA area

No where on Silver Sky's website does it mention training any more.



http://www.silverskyaviation.com/

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PatrickW

Joined: 27 Oct 2006
Posts: 380
Location: Fort Worth, Texas

Posted: Tue Jul 21, 2009 9:07 am Post subject: Re: Zodiacs in LA area

 	  lwinger wrote: 	
		  The next closest was Dragonfly in Santa Rosa, but they have stopped instructing in the 601XL and are using a Gobosh.ï¿½ I get no answers to my multiple voice messages to Silver Sky out of Chandler, AZ.ï¿½ So I'm stumped as well. 	




I'm very suprised that Dragonfly isn't using their XL's any more.  I just flew their new yellow XL in December.  I liked it, and they seemed happy with it.  It was a very nice airplane.  And I've flown the AMD at Silver Sky a couple times.



Great people in both locations.  These are the guys I was hoping to do some more flying with when I begin preparing myself for my own XL's first flight.



- Pat

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Posted: Tue Jul 21, 2009 9:34 am Post subject: Zodiacs in LA area

At 10:07 AM 7/21/2009, you wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		  I'm very suprised that Dragonfly isn't using their XL's any more.  I 

just flew their new yellow XL in December.  I liked it, and they 

seemed happy with it.


	




Perhaps you forgot the NTSB recommended grounding all XLs in 

April.  I realize some builders have chosen to ignore that 

recommendation, but I doubt any commercial operation would take such 

a chance at getting sued.



Paul

XL grounded

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jmaynard

Joined: 27 Feb 2008
Posts: 394
Location: Fairmont, MN (FRM)

Posted: Tue Jul 21, 2009 9:45 am Post subject: Zodiacs in LA area

On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 10:07:13AM -0700, PatrickW wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		   I'm very suprised that Dragonfly isn't using their XL's any more.  I just

 flew their new yellow XL in December.  I liked it, and they seemed happy

 with it.


	


Seconded. Bob Archibald was very happy with his Zodiacs when I spoke to him

last. Wonder why the change?

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Gig Giacona

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
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Location: El Dorado Arkansas USA

Posted: Tue Jul 21, 2009 11:08 am Post subject: Re: Zodiacs in LA area

 	  psm(at)att.net wrote: 	
		  

Perhaps you forgot the NTSB recommended grounding all XLs in 

April.  I realize some builders have chosen to ignore that 

recommendation, but I doubt any commercial operation would take such 

a chance at getting sued.

	




That letter can't even be brought up in a US court.

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tigerrick(at)mindspring.c
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Posted: Tue Jul 21, 2009 12:54 pm Post subject: Zodiacs in LA area

That, and it's an old "recommendation" (without the force of law) based on an apparent problem that hadn't yet answered by the slack aileron cable discovery and subsequent GVT.



Since we've installed our elevator stops, adjusted our cables to spec, made sure the flap stops were installed, avoided flying well outside of the envelope, and studied the findings from the GVT, the much discussed and debated "problem" seems to have been greatly minimized.



That's a clear win in my book, even though some will insist otherwise.



Of course, you can appreciate why some agencies would recommend grounding until the research was completed. I fully understand the "better safe than sorry" mindset, even in this case.  Thankfully, the data is in, and we can all start to breathe easier.



Rick Lindstrom

Zenvair N42KP

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pavel569

Joined: 21 Dec 2007
Posts: 77

Posted: Tue Jul 21, 2009 1:03 pm Post subject: Re: Zodiacs in LA area

It seems that no matter what your question is, it will always slip to fly/no fly, balance/no balance discussion with no end. Like a bunch of 2nd graders chatting on school backyard.

Thanks to everyone who had tried to answer my question.

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Gig Giacona

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 1416
Location: El Dorado Arkansas USA

Posted: Tue Jul 21, 2009 1:36 pm Post subject: Re: Zodiacs in LA area

 	  pavel569 wrote: 	
		  It seems that no matter what your question is, it will always slip to fly/no fly, balance/no balance discussion with no end. Like a bunch of 2nd graders chatting on school backyard.

	




It is to be expected. Sort of like talking about politics and not mentioning politics. The issue is sort of the 800 pound gorilla in the room.

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Larry Webber

Joined: 05 Jun 2008
Posts: 63
Location: West Kingston Rhode Island

Posted: Tue Jul 21, 2009 3:00 pm Post subject: Zodiacs in LA area

why dont you ask bob archibald his reasons????



 Larry



  



[quote] Date: Tue C 21 Jul 2009 12:22:12 -0500

 From: jmaynard(at)conmicro.com

 To: zenith-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: Re: Re: Zodiacs in LA area

 

 --> Zenith-List message posted by: Jay Maynard <jmaynard(at)conmicro.com>

 

 On Tue C Jul 21 C 2009 at 10:07:13AM -0700 C PatrickW wrote:

 > I'm very suprised that Dragonfly isn't using their XL's any more. I just

 > flew their new yellow XL in December. I liked it C and they seemed happy

 > with it.

 

 Seconded. Bob Archibald was very happy with his Zodiacs when I spoke to him

 last. Wonder why the change?

 -- 

 Jay Maynard C K5ZC C PP-ASEL C CFI-SP http://www.conmicro.com

 http://jmaynard.livejournal.com http://www.tronguy.net

 Fairmont C MN (KFRM) (Yes C that's me!)

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Larry Webber

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Location: West Kingston Rhode Island

Posted: Tue Jul 21, 2009 3:11 pm Post subject: Zodiacs in LA area

Once again paul you should sign off as SELF IMPOSED grounded



 Larry



  



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		   Date: Tue C 21 Jul 2009 10:28:57 -0700

 To: zenith-list(at)matronics.com

 From: psm(at)att.net

 Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Zodiacs in LA area

 

 --> Zenith-List message posted by: Paul Mulwitz <psm(at)att.net>

 

 At 10:07 AM 7/21/2009 C you wrote:

 >I'm very suprised that Dragonfly isn't using their XL's any more. I 

 >just flew their new yellow XL in December. I liked it C and they 

 >seemed happy with it.

 

 

 Perhaps you forgot the NTSB recommended grounding all XLs in 

 April. I realize some builders have chosen to ignore that 

 recommendation C but I doubt any commercial operation would take such 

 a chance at getting sued.

 

 Paul

 XL grounded

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