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Can someone enlighten me what the word "Emacs" means?
Jürgen Amtmann <jgamtmann2(at)gmail.com (jgamtmann2(at)gmail.com)>
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1. 08:56 AM - Crossfeed (Sam Hoskins)
2. 09:07 AM - Re: Re: Icom A-210 intercom (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
3. 09:59 AM - Re: Re: Icom A-210 intercom (Jay Hyde)
4. 01:27 PM - Icom 200 (luigit(at)freemail.it (luigit(at)freemail.it))
5. 10:23 PM - Icom 200 (luigit(at)freemail.it (luigit(at)freemail.it))
6. 11:07 PM - Re: Icom A-210 intercom (Thruster87)
________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________
Time: 08:56:38 AM PST US
Subject: Crossfeed
From: Sam Hoskins <sam.hoskins(at)gmail.com (sam.hoskins(at)gmail.com)>
I have an all electric plane and have attempted to emulate Z19-RB.
Both batteries are the same size, but I am intending on starting on the main
battery only. My alternator-out load analysis shows around 17 amps to keep
it in the air, though I think I can drop that to 10.
The "keep the engine running" components may run off either bus, but the
endurance bus is just connected to the main.
Could I install a crossfeed switch between the main and engine batteries,
without a contactor? It would allow me to use the engine battery for the
endurance bus, to supplement the main battery. That would also allow me to
simultaneously charge both batteries without engaging the engine battery
contactor.
I'll try and attach a pdf.
BTW, after a year and a half, I am somewhat back in the air, though many
bugs remain.
Sam
www.samhoskins.blogspot.com
________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________
Time: 09:07:28 AM PST US
From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <nuckolls.bob(at)aeroelectric.com (nuckolls.bob(at)aeroelectric.com)>
Subject: Re: Re: Icom A-210 intercom
At 05:00 PM 7/25/2009, you wrote:
>
>Hi Bob,I was expecting it to just activate [intercom] without a
>separate button,so one just speaks and the other person hears
>you.Pressing the PTT it transmits OK and the passenger can also hear
>what you say and both can hear just fine the incoming calls.I have
>not tried connecting the intercom switch to pin 10 Intercom IN and
>joining to pin 9 PTT + as I understand it,it should not require
>this switch to operate as a VOX intercom. Cheers Alan [610xl builder
>almost ready to start taxi run testing]
After reading through the available installation data
on the Icom IC-A210 I've discovered that the 210 is
a head-n-shoulders upgrade from the 200. Most noteworthy
are extensive audio management features with functions
and gains set by software using a front panel menu
system.
Another interesting feature is what appears to be
rear connector plate options. The stock input/output
connector plate works with the same Molex wires-to-
ecb style of harnes connector . . . same as the A200.
The A210 install kit comes with an "MB-113" adapter
module to convert the legacy molex connnector interface
Emacs!
To the more robust Dsub 15 connector.
Emacs!
If we look at the A210 installation data . . .
http://tinyurl.com/nxw5jm
. . . we see that half of the 30 wires available
in the Molex pin-out are available in Dsub
pinout and in different combinations. For example,
only 2 of the 6 power/gnd connections are available
in the Dsub. The Molex doesn't offer the RS232
GPS interface option. The Molex connection offers
3 aux audio inputs, the Dsub offers only one.
Certainly, the Dsub pinouts offer enough
features to accomplish a perfectly useful installation
in an airplane.
Getting back to the intercom issue, we see that
there's a raft of menu driven audio performance
setup features. Further, pin 10 (intercom enable)
in the Molex connector does not appear on the
Dsub connector. Admittedly, with out a schematic
of the MB-113 adapter, we don't know if Molex 10
is simply ignored or is tied to ground by the
adapter. Further, functionality of the intercom
ground to activate connection is not explained. It's
illustrated in the Molex wiring as a useful thing
to attache to an intercom PTT button, but in the
user's manual . . .
http://tinyurl.com/nsvye4
the use of this push button is not explained. However,
on the description of panel controls we see that
item (1) DUAL SWITCH has a time-based function
(hold for 2+ seconds) to turn the intercom function
ON or OFF.
It would be nice if the manuals were more complete in
this regard. I'll keep an eye open for the service
manual on this radio. Schematics are VERY useful in
figuring out how things work. Does anyone on the List
have an A210 installed and working who can help Alan
sort through this radio's intercom functionality?
Bob . . .
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( . . . a long habit of not thinking )
( a thing wrong, gives it a superficial )
( appearance of being right . . . )
( )
( -Thomas Paine 1776- )
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________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________
Time: 09:59:18 AM PST US
From: "Jay Hyde" <jay(at)horriblehyde.com (jay(at)horriblehyde.com)>
Subject: RE: Re: Icom A-210 intercom
I have installed one of these (A210) in conjunction with a PM1000II intercom
(from PS-Engineering) on a 4 seater aircraft where there I need more than 2
intercom stations. It was a bit of nightmare; I couldn't get the two
systems working- the headphones worked fine but the mic circuits wouldn't
work properly (I am still busy with that project). Recently I had to
install the PM1000II on the Sling (that little aircraft that is making its
way between the Virgin Islands and Florida as I write!) where it interfaced
to a Garmin SL30 nav/ comm radio.
This time I called PS themselves and checked up on a few things. One of the
things that I discovered was that one must not put an 'aux PTT' in the same
way that they call for 'aux mic and phone jacks'. I have yet to test the
A210/ PM1000 system after removing this item but I can tell you that the
SL30/ PM1000 combination worked just fine when I left the 'aux PTT' out- so
perhaps that's one of the problems?
As a matter of interest, PS Eng told me that the PTT's are hard wired
through so that, even if (in the unlikely event of failure, ladies and
gentleman.) there is a failure with PM1000 the PTT's will still work.
Jay
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Jay Hyde
HH Enterprises
Aircraft Manufacture, Engineering and Flying
<mailto:jay(at)horriblehyde.com (jay(at)horriblehyde.com)> jay(at)horriblehyde.com (jay(at)horriblehyde.com)
Mobile phone: 083 300 8675
International: +27 83 300 8675
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From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-aeroelectric-list-server(at)matronics.com)
[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-aeroelectric-list-server(at)matronics.com)] On Behalf Of Robert L.
Nuckolls, III
Sent: 27 July 2009 06:06 PM
Subject: Re: Re: Icom A-210 intercom
At 05:00 PM 7/25/2009, you wrote:
<alania(at)optusnet.com.au (alania(at)optusnet.com.au)>
Hi Bob,I was expecting it to just activate [intercom] without a separate
button,so one just speaks and the other person hears you.Pressing the PTT it
transmits OK and the passenger can also hear what you say and both can hear
just fine the incoming calls.I have not tried connecting the intercom switch
to pin 10 Intercom IN and joining to pin 9 PTT + as I understand it,it
should not require this switch to operate as a VOX intercom. Cheers Alan
[610xl builder almost ready to start taxi run testing]
After reading through the available installation data
on the Icom IC-A210 I've discovered that the 210 is
a head-n-shoulders upgrade from the 200. Most noteworthy
are extensive audio management features with functions
and gains set by software using a front panel menu
system.
Another interesting feature is what appears to be
rear connector plate options. The stock input/output
connector plate works with the same Molex wires-to-
ecb style of harnes connector . . . same as the A200.
The A210 install kit comes with an "MB-113" adapter
module to convert the legacy molex connnector interface
Emacs!
To the more robust Dsub 15 connector.
Emacs!
If we look at the A210 installation data . . .
http://tinyurl.com/nxw5jm
. . . we see that half of the 30 wires available
in the Molex pin-out are available in Dsub
pinout and in different combinations. For example,
only 2 of the 6 power/gnd connections are available
in the Dsub. The Molex doesn't offer the RS232
GPS interface option. The Molex connection offers
3 aux audio inputs, the Dsub offers only one.
Certainly, the Dsub pinouts offer enough
features to accomplish a perfectly useful installation
in an airplane.
Getting back to the intercom issue, we see that
there's a raft of menu driven audio performance
setup features. Further, pin 10 (intercom enable)
in the Molex connector does not appear on the
Dsub connector. Admittedly, with out a schematic
of the MB-113 adapter, we don't know if Molex 10
is simply ignored or is tied to ground by the
adapter. Further, functionality of the intercom
ground to activate connection is not explained. It's
illustrated in the Molex wiring as a useful thing
to attache to an intercom PTT button, but in the
user's manual . . .
http://tinyurl.com/nsvye4
the use of this push button is not explained. However,
on the description of panel controls we see that
item (1) DUAL SWITCH has a time-based function
(hold for 2+ seconds) to turn the intercom function
ON or OFF.
It would be nice if the manuals were more complete in
this regard. I'll keep an eye open for the service
manual on this radio. Schematics are VERY useful in
figuring out how things work. Does anyone on the List
have an A210 installed and working who can help Alan
sort through this radio's intercom functionality?
Bob . . .
---------------------------------------
( . . . a long habit of not thinking )
( a thing wrong, gives it a superficial )
( appearance of being right . . . )
( )
( -Thomas Paine 1776- )
---------------------------------------
________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________
Time: 01:27:48 PM PST US
From: luigit(at)freemail.it (luigit(at)freemail.it)
Subject: Icom 200
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Time: 11:07:24 PM PST US
Subject: Re: Icom A-210 intercom
From: "Thruster87" <alania(at)optusnet.com.au (alania(at)optusnet.com.au)>
I did the 2 second push on the Dual button and the screen shows the ics as on and
still no go.Spoke to Icom techi with whom we went thru the menu but still no
go . Might look at putting a intercom in. Cheers Alan
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On 07/29/2009 11:56 AM, Janet Amtmann wrote:
| Quote: | Can someone enlighten me what the word "Emacs" means?
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http://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/
"GNU Emacs is an extensible, customizable text editor—and more."
fyi
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On Wed Jul 29 11:56:59 2009, Janet Amtmann wrote :
| Quote: | Can someone enlighten me what the word "Emacs" means?
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Emacs is the name of a very popular (in some circles) text editor. It
was authored in 1976 by Richard Stallman, initially together with Guy
L. Steele, Jr. It is most often found on Unix/Linux type systems, but
has been ported to other environments as well.
For more information that most non-geeks would care to know about Emacs
see the following URLs :
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emacs
http://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/
Why Bob's posts seem to regularly include the "Emacs!" exclaimation is
a mystery I've long puzzled over.
-- Dwight
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Why Bob's posts seem to regularly include the "Emacs!" exclaimation is
a mystery I've long puzzled over.
Beats me. I wasn't even aware of it until it popped up
on the List just now . . . and I see it on the webmail
access to the forums. When I get back to the Gyp Hills,
I'll search my ingoing and outgoing archives to see if
it shows up.
Bob . . .
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