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randy(at)rjhebertassoc.co
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Posted: Sat Aug 08, 2009 9:13 am Post subject: My definition of the "Bunny Hop"

Rick

Does adding power in a Cessna (porpoise) help



Randall J Hebert

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randy(at)rjhebertassoc.co
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Posted: Sat Aug 08, 2009 10:41 am Post subject: My definition of the "Bunny Hop"

FUNNY



Left out LIKE



Does adding power like in a Cessna 172 (porpoise) help

Randall J Hebert

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dougsnash

Joined: 14 Apr 2008
Posts: 281

Posted: Sun Aug 09, 2009 5:10 am Post subject: My definition of the "Bunny Hop"

Naw Kevin, that's just Gus' famous carrier landing in the corvair powered 701.



Seriously though, while Gus recovered excellently from this hard landing, you can see how things could get scarey in a hurry if you wern't ready to recover from such an event.



Doug M

NW Ontario, Canada

701 Scratch Builder



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 Subject: Re: My definition of the "Bunny Hop"

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 This isn't that high but it looks like a bunny hopping to

 me.

 

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f4KKH_AIXaw

 

 


	




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rvickski(at)yahoo.com
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Posted: Sun Aug 09, 2009 5:19 am Post subject: My definition of the "Bunny Hop"

Wishing you well, the key for me was to concentrate on stabilizing the airplane early during the down wind, trim, airspeed, altitude and knowing which way the wind is blowing, when I am behind the plane I'll do a go around, tracking the runway and start my turn back to the pattern at 500AGL or the end of the runway whichever comes last. Landings are mandatory, but I choose, when all is right.



Humble musings of a beginner.

Roy

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carlossa52(at)gmail.com
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Posted: Sun Aug 09, 2009 7:28 am Post subject: My definition of the "Bunny Hop"

Mike, this is exactly what a Bombardier pilot said in a recent Montreal EAA chapter meeting, when somebody described his plans for testing (which included hopping).



Good luck



Carlos

CH601-HD, plans

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2009/8/9 Mike Hoffman <mhoffman9(at)tampabay.rr.com (mhoffman9(at)tampabay.rr.com)>

 

[quote]  The way I see it, the hops don't allow enough time to get in and out of ground effect and leaves the pilot over correcting to try and stay on top of the plane. I now believe the best solution is to just take off and fly it, settle down and get used to its sensitivity then land with a power on.

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ricklach

Joined: 20 Jun 2006
Posts: 127
Location: Kernville, Calif.

Posted: Mon Aug 10, 2009 7:53 am Post subject: Re: My definition of the

Hi Randall,



Yes adding power helps or stops the rapid decent. The problem is youâ€™re usually behind the curve by the time you get the power in and then your uncoordinated with the airplane. Iâ€™ve done it a couple of times but not to bad. There are so many ways to land the 701 it takes a while learn them and get proficient. But thatâ€™s OK because that means you have to practice more and that means you get to fly more and thatâ€™s GOOD.



One other thing, every time Iâ€™ve made this mistake it was when I was trying to make a SPOT-Landing. Meaning I was trying to put the mains on a specific spot on the runway like the numbers. If youâ€™re a little high and you pull the power to slow down and hit your mark your concentrating on the mark and miss the fact that your airspeed bleeds off so fast in the 701 and as a result your vertical speed is increasing to much in order to hit the spot. So when you hit the spot you really hit it and get the bounce. Soooo  back to practice, practice, practice and getting that feel in your butt for that type of landing. 



Rick

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bobkat

Joined: 07 Sep 2008
Posts: 143
Location: Bismarck, ND

Posted: Mon Aug 10, 2009 9:43 am Post subject: My definition of the "Bunny Hop"

Absolutely Rick!   Whatever you do, don't get seduced into the "stalls at 28 

mph" thing, until you REALLY master landing it.   What can happen is that 

you flare a bit high, get a bit slow, and get behind the power curve and it 

stops flying 10 - 15 feet above the ground!    That danged gravity reaches 

up and snatches it down - hard, too!!

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		  From watching the various talks on this website about landing, etc. I think 

everyone does this once or twice till you get the hang of it, so be aware of 
	


this and be careful.

Watch the U tube stuff showing spectacular landings, BUT, don't even think 

of trying anything like this until you REALLY have landing in all 

configurations down pat!

At Oshkosh this year there was an excellent seminar on STOL flying, and one 

of the presenters made the point of the design of the main gear being built 

to take this sort of abuse, but also to collapse and protect the airplane 

and pilot's spine when someone does this very thing!

So as many pointed out, practise, practise, practise!  I wish I had read all 

these excellent pieces of advice from experienced 701 pilots on this thread 

before my first few flights, rather than what I heard from the factory reps 

at the previous Oshkosh about "fly it like your Kitfox with a nice slow 

approach speed, etc."   No Way, at first!!!  Fly it like a slow 150 for your 

first few landings without flaring too high, then widen the envelope from 

there.

A fantastic plane, but after 3000+ flight hours in 30 years flying all kinds 

of planes, and only about 75 in the 701, I'm still not completely 

comfortable with it landing!  Sometimes too fast, other times too slow, 

sometimes I don't slip it perfectly, etc.

One of those excellent presenters in Oshkosh, (the fellow from California) 

said he felt the same for about the first 300 hours!!!!   Like he said, it's 

a great airplane and its tough to do something wrong with it, EXCEPT for 

landing!  So work on those landings in every condition and configurations 

and don't be too cocky or try something too far from what you've been 

practising, at least for the first 300 hours! Hah!

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kmccune

Joined: 22 Sep 2007
Posts: 577
Location: Wisconsin, USA

Posted: Mon Aug 10, 2009 5:52 pm Post subject: Re: My definition of the

Don't say anything about military and the 701, some government idiot will discover the 701 and find a MISSION for it and the price will quadrupedal... on the the other hand I have my plans already and ....  



Kevin



 	  dougsnash wrote: 	
		  Naw Kevin, that's just Gus' famous carrier landing in the corvair powered 701.



Seriously though, while Gus recovered excellently from this hard landing, you can see how things could get scarey in a hurry if you wern't ready to recover from such an event.



Doug M

NW Ontario, Canada

701 Scratch Builder



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--- On Sun, 8/9/09, kmccune <kmccune> wrote:



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		   From: kmccune <kmccune>

 Subject: Re: My definition of the "Bunny Hop"

 To: zenith701801-list(at)matronics.com

 Received: Sunday, August 9, 2009, 5:49 AM

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 posted by: "kmccune" <kmccune>

 

 This isn't that high but it looks like a bunny hopping to

 me.

 

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f4KKH_AIXaw

 

 



	




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Mike Hoffman

Joined: 11 Mar 2006
Posts: 54

Posted: Tue Aug 11, 2009 3:10 am Post subject: Re: My definition of the

A lot of very good info here. How about a little first flight advice?



First landing, flaps or no flaps.

First landing speed. (I know I want to be on the fast side). Speed, RPMs?

Any other important information?

craig(at)craigandjean.com
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Posted: Tue Aug 11, 2009 3:48 am Post subject: My definition of the "Bunny Hop"

Michael Heintz's advice: don't use the flaps at all for the first 50 hours.



-- Craig



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ricklach

Joined: 20 Jun 2006
Posts: 127
Location: Kernville, Calif.

Posted: Tue Aug 11, 2009 4:24 pm Post subject: Re: My definition of the

Hi Mike,



My recommendations for first flights are:

-no flaps

-What ever engine RPM gives you 45-55MPH.

-Power on until touch down.

-Donâ€™t try a â€œSpot Landingâ€ let a good decent rate and your speed determine your touchdown spot.

If youâ€™re a little fast thatâ€™s all right as compared to too slow. Too slow getâ€™s you into trouble. IF youâ€™re to fast for your liking just make a go-around, with to much speed a go-around is EZ. Practice slow flight and get comfortable with it. Get that seat of the pants feel for when that slow flight turns into to rapid decent rate. Thatâ€™s the edge you must learn. 



Rick

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ggower_99(at)yahoo.com
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Posted: Wed Aug 19, 2009 11:24 am Post subject: My definition of the "Bunny Hop"

Too late for me 

  

 Saludos

 Gary Gower

 Flying from Chapala, Mexico (5,029 ft ASL)

 701 912S   255 hrs  (all landings and take offs with 15º flaps)



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Subject: RE: Re: My definition of the "Bunny Hop"

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Michael Heintz's advice: don't use the flaps at all for the first 50 hours.



-- Craig



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ronlee

Joined: 25 Dec 2006
Posts: 141

Posted: Wed Aug 19, 2009 12:30 pm Post subject: Re: My definition of the

VGs, no slats make the 701 much easier to land!

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