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Kelly McMullen
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Certainly raised the question of what level of QA/QC Van's actually does or does not do when QB assemblies arrive back at Aurora. Sounds like it isn't much more than looking for dents in the exterior.
On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 2:22 PM, Bob Turner <bobturner(at)alum.rpi.edu (bobturner(at)alum.rpi.edu)> wrote:
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IMHO you really do need to go thru everything carefully. There are quite a few "small" things left undone, in between steps in the manual where things were done. There are a number of places where dimpling was not done, and now that the parts are assembled, it's much harder to dimple there. I even removed a few rivets in the tunnel because they weren't dimpled underneath.
Look it over carefully. My QB wings had the fuel tanks installed with too-long bolts, compensated with extra washers. I guess this worked, but I sure didn't like it.
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| Posted: Tue Aug 11, 2009 3:13 pm Post subject: QB Fuse........ State of Shipment |
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I would think it wise to develop an “incoming inspection” checklist and go completely over the quickbuild kit as it comes in. Whether Van’s does a good QA incoming from the Phillipines or outgoing upon shipment to you makes no difference. You need to make sure the airplane is built compliant with the plans and to not any discrepancies to Van’s. The only way they can fix their process is to get non-conformance notices from their customers.
I just bought a partially built kit from another builder and I’m doing the exact same thing.
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From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kelly McMullen
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Subject: Re: Re: QB Fuse........ State of Shipment
Certainly raised the question of what level of QA/QC Van's actually does or does not do when QB assemblies arrive back at Aurora. Sounds like it isn't much more than looking for dents in the exterior.
On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 2:22 PM, Bob Turner <bobturner(at)alum.rpi.edu (bobturner(at)alum.rpi.edu)> wrote:
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Bob Turner" <bobturner(at)alum.rpi.edu (bobturner(at)alum.rpi.edu)>
IMHO you really do need to go thru everything carefully. There are quite a few "small" things left undone, in between steps in the manual where things were done. There are a number of places where dimpling was not done, and now that the parts are assembled, it's much harder to dimple there. I even removed a few rivets in the tunnel because they weren't dimpled underneath.
Look it over carefully. My QB wings had the fuel tanks installed with too-long bolts, compensated with extra washers. I guess this worked, but I sure didn't like it.
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Bob Turner
RV-10 QB
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Kelly McMullen
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| Posted: Tue Aug 11, 2009 4:48 pm Post subject: QB Fuse........ State of Shipment |
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No question, except there is a different level of "expectation". Van's is holding out quick-builds as professionally built to top notch quality, where buying another builders work, you know it is to some degree amateur built. Nothing wrong with either, and both should be checked. When one pays a substantial sum, one expects it built right, with tanks that don't leak. When Van's treats quick build issues like tank leaks as the builders problem and not something they will fix, there is a problem. Given the number of folks reporting these problems, either the right person at Vans isn't getting the information, or is unwilling(or doesn't have authority) to spend the time and effort to eliminate it. For Vans to advertise quick builds as a way to save time and worry, only to have you have to worry that things were skipped or not done right, doesn't speak well of the company.
On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 4:10 PM, Richard Bibb <rbibb(at)tomet.net (rbibb(at)tomet.net)> wrote:
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I would think it wise to develop an “incoming inspection” checklist and go completely over the quickbuild kit as it comes in. Whether Van’s does a good QA incoming from the Phillipines or outgoing upon shipment to you makes no difference. You need to make sure the airplane is built compliant with the plans and to not any discrepancies to Van’s. The only way they can fix their process is to get non-conformance notices from their customers.
I just bought a partially built kit from another builder and I’m doing the exact same thing.
Richard Bibb
972-771-2598
972-835-5979 mobile
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| Posted: Tue Aug 11, 2009 9:41 pm Post subject: QB Fuse........ State of Shipment |
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Sounds like fun! But I’ll still come out ahead on the clock.. J
From: Kelly McMullen [mailto:apilot2(at)gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2009 4:40 PM
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Subject: Re: Re: QB Fuse........ State of Shipment
Certainly raised the question of what level of QA/QC Van's actually does or does not do when QB assemblies arrive back at Aurora. Sounds like it isn't much more than looking for dents in the exterior.
On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 2:22 PM, Bob Turner <bobturner(at)alum.rpi.edu (bobturner(at)alum.rpi.edu)> wrote:
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Bob Turner" <bobturner(at)alum.rpi.edu (bobturner(at)alum.rpi.edu)>
IMHO you really do need to go thru everything carefully. There are quite a few "small" things left undone, in between steps in the manual where things were done. There are a number of places where dimpling was not done, and now that the parts are assembled, it's much harder to dimple there. I even removed a few rivets in the tunnel because they weren't dimpled underneath.
Look it over carefully. My QB wings had the fuel tanks installed with too-long bolts, compensated with extra washers. I guess this worked, but I sure didn't like it.
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Bob Turner
RV-10 QB
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