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AirMike
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Posted: Sat Aug 15, 2009 9:39 am Post subject: How long to build an RV10 |
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A big question that newbees have is how long does it take to build an RV10? Well I have a pretty good answer. I am a novice builder, with modest mechanical skills. I was motivated to build a QB myself. I took training from the excellent empenage build class (Wally Anderson) at Synergy in Eugene OR. I logged my build hours fairly carefully for all 32 months of the build process. Starting on 1/3/07 to Thursday when it was 100% ready to fly with FAA EXP certification, I logged 2600 hours of my own time and 307 hours of builder assist and assistance time. Total investment 2907 human hours of plan study and build. This does not include the many hours on this site and sending/receiving e-mails from fellow builders.
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Posted: Sat Aug 15, 2009 11:11 am Post subject: How long to build an RV10 |
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Was this a QB fuse and wings?
Oh poop C I am at 1900 hrs with a QB fuse and wings and about ready to put the engine on and do the cowl. Started in 2004
Everyone that know me asks C "are you done yet?"
I know a guy who said he built one in six months with two people...that's what he said.
John
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From: Mikeabel(at)Pacbell.net
Date: Sat C 15 Aug 2009 10:39:47 -0700
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
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A big question that newbees have is how long does it take to build an RV10? Well I have a pretty good answer. I am a novice builder C with modest mechanical skills. I was motivated to build a QB myself. I took training from the excellent empenage build class (Wally Anderson) at Synergy in Eugene OR. I logged my build hours fairly carefully for all 32 months of the build process. Starting on 1/3/07 to Thursday when it was 100% ready to fly with FAA EXP certification C I logged 2600 hours of my own time and 307 hours of builder assist and assistance time. Total investment 2907 human hours of plan study and build. This does not include the many hours on this site and sending/receiving e-mails from fellow builders.
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Q/B Kit - end game
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Posted: Sat Aug 15, 2009 11:48 am Post subject: How long to build an RV10 |
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The correct answer to “are you done yet” is” I will be done on Tuesday”. Some Tuesday some month some year.
Gary Specketer
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Subject: RE: How long to build an RV10
Was this a QB fuse and wings?
Oh poop, I am at 1900 hrs with a QB fuse and wings and about ready to put the engine on and do the cowl. Started in 2004
Everyone that know me asks, "are you done yet?"
I know a guy who said he built one in six months with two people...that's what he said.
John
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Strasnuts
Joined: 10 Feb 2009 Posts: 502 Location: Salt Lake City, UT
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Posted: Sat Aug 15, 2009 12:41 pm Post subject: How long to build an RV10 |
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I think all of the newbies who have the time should by the slow build. I am finishing section 29 this week and started the first emp SB kit Feb 3 09. I don't know how long the wait is right now for the QB kits but it seems like it's just as fast to build the sb.
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Posted: Sat Aug 15, 2009 1:20 pm Post subject: How long to build an RV10 |
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I’m in Chapter 33 at the moment and at 1044 hours of time (2.5 years duration). Standard build all the way. I suspect I’m probably about half way done.
Bob
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I think all of the newbies who have the time should by the slow build. I am finishing section 29 this week and started the SB kit Feb 3 09. I don't know how long the wait is right now for the QB kits but it seems like it's just as fast to build the sb.
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From: John Gonzalez (indigoonlatigo(at)msn.com)
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Subject: RE: How long to build an RV10
Was this a QB fuse and wings?
Oh poop, I am at 1900 hrs with a QB fuse and wings and about ready to put the engine on and do the cowl. Started in 2004
Everyone that know me asks, "are you done yet?"
I know a guy who said he built one in six months with two people...that's what he said.
John
> Subject: How long to build an RV10
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> Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2009 10:39:47 -0700
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> A big question that newbees have is how long does it take to build an RV10? Well I have a pretty good answer. I am a novice builder, with modest mechanical skills. I was motivated to build a QB myself. I took training from the excellent empenage build class (Wally Anderson) at Synergy in Eugene OR. I logged my build hours fairly carefully for all 32 months of the build process. Starting on 1/3/07 to Thursday when it was 100% ready to fly with FAA EXP certification, I logged 2600 hours of my own time and 307 hours of builder assist and assistance time. Total investment 2907 human hours of plan study and build. This does not include the many hours on this site and sending/receiving e-mails from fellow builders.
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orchidman
Joined: 10 Jul 2006 Posts: 277 Location: Oklahoma City - KRCE
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Posted: Sat Aug 15, 2009 1:31 pm Post subject: Re: How long to build an RV10 |
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I did a slow build. Only recorded the time for the sections from Van's. Didn't record the time for wiring design, instrument panel cutting and install, etc. In months it took 29 months and 25 days from receiving the emp kit to first flight.
About 99.9% of the work was at home. Unless you live on the airport, when you move to the airport, progress will come to a screeching snails pace.
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Posted: Sat Aug 15, 2009 1:44 pm Post subject: How long to build an RV10 |
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I'm slow build all the way... just now coming up on 2400 hours and
about 1/2 way through the doors... I think (no idea why) I'm about
400-600 hours away from the finish line.
Jeff Carpenter
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On Aug 15, 2009, at 10:39 AM, AirMike wrote:
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A big question that newbees have is how long does it take to build
an RV10? Well I have a pretty good answer. I am a novice builder,
with modest mechanical skills. I was motivated to build a QB
myself. I took training from the excellent empenage build class
(Wally Anderson) at Synergy in Eugene OR. I logged my build hours
fairly carefully for all 32 months of the build process. Starting on
1/3/07 to Thursday when it was 100% ready to fly with FAA EXP
certification, I logged 2600 hours of my own time and 307 hours of
builder assist and assistance time. Total investment 2907 human
hours of plan study and build. This does not include the many hours
on this site and sending/receiving e-mails from fellow builders.
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OSH '09 or Bust (busted) be there someday
Q/B Kit - end game
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Posted: Sat Aug 15, 2009 3:53 pm Post subject: How long to build an RV10 |
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I'm coming up in my 36th month after starting my build at Ron
Alexander's builders assist shop.
Did a QB and have an ideal building situation so I'm able to do
something on most days. But I'm far from being a dedicated builder. I
don't have any idea how many hours I've spent.
If things go well, I hope to be flying 12 months from now having done my
own panel and own paint. We'll see.
Bill "FWF" Watson
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Dick Sipp
Joined: 11 Jan 2006 Posts: 215 Location: Hope, MI
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Posted: Sat Aug 15, 2009 8:08 pm Post subject: How long to build an RV10 |
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IMHO it takes as long as it takes. The variables of: builder experience, fast/slow build, amount of contracted work (paint, avionics, interior, builder assist etc.) personal situation, $$, retired/working full time are so broad that there is no good answer.
I would suggest that a builder proceed at whatever is a comfortable pace as his or her circumstances allow. Too fast risks burn-out, mistakes, and family issues. Rather than set deadlines or unrealistic goals try to do something or a regular schedule and before you know it a completed airplane will be sitting on the ramp ready to be flown.
Keep the pace at an enjoyable level without obsessing.
Our first project, an RV-4 took (classified # years over 10), I was working two flying jobs and was away from the project often. That's my story and I'm stickin' to it.
The second project, a slow build -10 was finished in about 4 years. This time the kit was way more advanced, I was retired, and the avionics was sub-contracted.
As for actual hours? Probably pretty close to what Mike reported.
The most important thing is to have fun doing it.
Tailwinds
Dick Sipp
RV4 sold, RV-10 N110DV 170 hours
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From: Mikeabel(at)Pacbell.net
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2009 10:39:47 -0700
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
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A big question that newbees have is how long does it take to build an RV10? Well I have a pretty good answer. I am a novice builder, with modest mechanical skills. I was motivated to build a QB myself. I took training from the excellent empenage build class (Wally Anderson) at Synergy in Eugene OR. I logged my build hours fairly carefully for all 32 months of the build process. Starting on 1/3/07 to Thursday when it was 100% ready to fly with FAA EXP certification, I logged 2600 hours of my own time and 307 hours of builder assist and assistance time. Total investment 2907 human hours of plan study and build. This does not include the many hours on this site and sending/receiving e-mails from fellow builders.
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Q/B Kit - end game
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Posted: Sat Aug 15, 2009 8:35 pm Post subject: How long to build an RV10 |
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HiWe are the guilty ones. We built an RV10 in 6 months. It sounds unbelievable but you have to remember that my husband took a break from building houses and was working on it full time with another guy for that time.
We also had another guy helping and supervising quality etc (he had built an RV7 and just loved being around helping). All in all it took over 2000 hours to build but with 2 guys going from 8 to 5:30 and one pottering over the weekend and evenings and another helping out and giving advice. We had a great team of aviation specialists who were on hand to come and look at things we weren't sure of, or just offer advice. The door was open to CAA all the time so that everyone new what was going on. It is a family plane and we wanted to make sure it was safe.
Sarah
ZK RVT
On 16/08/2009, at 7:06 AM, John Gonzalez wrote:
Quote: | Was this a QB fuse and wings?
Oh poop, I am at 1900 hrs with a QB fuse and wings and about ready to put the engine on and do the cowl. Started in 2004
Everyone that know me asks, "are you done yet?"
I know a guy who said he built one in six months with two people...that's what he said.
John
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From: Mikeabel(at)Pacbell.net (Mikeabel(at)Pacbell.net)
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2009 10:39:47 -0700
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com (rv10-list(at)matronics.com)
--> RV10-List message posted by: "AirMike" <Mikeabel(at)Pacbell.net (Mikeabel(at)Pacbell.net)>
A big question that newbees have is how long does it take to build an RV10? Well I have a pretty good answer. I am a novice builder, with modest mechanical skills. I was motivated to build a QB myself. I took training from the excellent empenage build class (Wally Anderson) at Synergy in Eugene OR. I logged my build hours fairly carefully for all 32 months of the build process. Starting on 1/3/07 to Thursday when it was 100% ready to fly with FAA EXP certification, I logged 2600 hours of my own time and 307 hours of builder assist and assistance time. Total investment 2907 human hours of plan study and build. This does not include the many hours on this site and sending/receiving e-mails from fellow builders.
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OSH '09 or Bust (busted) be there someday
Q/B Kit - end game
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Posted: Sat Aug 15, 2009 9:35 pm Post subject: How long to build an RV10 |
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Well Said Richard. It seems each build will be a little different. In my case, I had no aviation knowledge or experience, including ZERO flight time...... but I did have some metal working experience, and enough smarts to know that in order to have a completed project, it boiled down to one main thing..... putting in the hours. I logged every hour on the project, including anyone who helped even for an hour, and even logged the non productive time when I might have been just thinking about what to do next.. (luckily, those hours were not logged seperately) .... the air worthiness cert was issued 2.5 years after receipt of the emp boxes, and I had logged approximately 5,000 hours. Ok, it was more than 5,000.... 5,229.
But I have a storage spot for the longer golf clubs, cold air induction, and other than paint, did everything myself. Although in hindsite, I would hire certain things out if I did this again!
And for what it's worth, it's one of the most satisfying and fun projects I've ever done.
Which, of course, is why I finished the airplane 2 months before completing the training for my private pilot license.
Don McDonald
#40636 Flying - 65 hours - and headed for Van's Flyin the 28th.
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To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
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#yiv750573731 .hmmessage P { PADDING-BOTTOM:0px;MARGIN:0px;PADDING-LEFT:0px;PADDING-RIGHT:0px;PADDING-TOP:0px;} #yiv750573731 { FONT-FAMILY:Verdana;FONT-SIZE:10pt;} IMHO it takes as long as it takes. The variables of: builder experience, fast/slow build, amount of contracted work (paint, avionics, interior, builder assist etc.) personal situation, $$, retired/working full time are so broad that there is no good answer.
I would suggest that a builder proceed at whatever is a comfortable pace as his or her circumstances allow. Too fast risks burn-out, mistakes, and family issues. Rather than set deadlines or unrealistic goals try to do something or a regular schedule and before you know it a completed airplane will be sitting on the ramp ready to be flown.
Keep the pace at an enjoyable level without obsessing.
Our first project, an RV-4 took (classified # years over 10), I was working two flying jobs and was away from the project often. That's my story and I'm stickin' to it.
The second project, a slow build -10 was finished in about 4 years. This time the kit was way more advanced, I was retired, and the avionics was sub-contracted.
As for actual hours? Probably pretty close to what Mike reported.
The most important thing is to have fun doing it.
Tailwinds
Dick Sipp
RV4 sold, RV-10 N110DV 170 hours
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From: Mikeabel(at)Pacbell.net
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2009 10:39:47 -0700
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A big question that newbees have is how long does it take to build an RV10? Well I have a pretty good answer. I am a novice builder, with modest mechanical skills. I was motivated to build a QB myself. I took training from the excellent empenage build class (Wally Anderson) at Synergy in Eugene OR. I logged my build hours fairly carefully for all 32 months of the build process. Starting on 1/3/07 to Thursday when it was 100% ready to fly with FAA EXP certification, I logged 2600 hours of my own time and 307 hours of builder assist and assistance time. Total investment 2907 human hours of plan study and build. This does not include the many hours on this site and sending/receiving e-mails from fellow builders.
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Q/B Kit - end game
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Posted: Sun Aug 16, 2009 3:00 pm Post subject: How long to build an RV10 |
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And at the other end of the spectrum, I built my flat pack kits, all
avionics and wiring, engine installation, paint etc entirely solo (with
very occasional help from bucking partners) in ~4500hrs in just on 5
years. The only outsourced item was the seat upholstery and some extra
help with the final fuse paint. Professional Engineer (Software and
Electronic Systems), but never so much as changed the oil in a car
before hand.
Would I do it again? In an instant - the journey was a most rewarding
experience!! Should anyone ever believe the 2000 hrs over 2 years
advertising malarkey - never!!!
Cheers,
Ron
VH-XRM, grounded in Oz while I move the magnetometer to the wingtip
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Posted: Sun Aug 16, 2009 4:11 pm Post subject: How long to build an RV10 |
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I always give the same reply Gary, well done mate.
Kind regards
Patrick Pulis
Adelaide, South Australia
#40299
Prosealing auxillary wing tanks - nearly finished Ron.
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From: gary <speckter(at)comcast.net>
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, 16 August, 2009 5:12:23 AM
Subject: RE: How long to build an RV10
The correct answer to “are you done yet” is” I will be done on Tuesday”. Some Tuesday some month some year.
Gary Specketer
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Gonzalez
Sent: Saturday, August 15, 2009 2:07 PM
To: RV 10 group
Subject: RE: How long to build an RV10
Was this a QB fuse and wings?
Oh poop, I am at 1900 hrs with a QB fuse and wings and about ready to put the engine on and do the cowl. Started in 2004
Everyone that know me asks, "are you done yet?"
I know a guy who said he built one in six months with two people...that's what he said.
John
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From: Mikeabel(at)Pacbell.net
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2009 10:39:47 -0700
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A big question that newbees have is how long does it take to build an RV10? Well I have a pretty good answer. I am a novice builder, with modest mechanical skills. I was motivated to build a QB myself. I took training from the excellent empenage build class (Wally Anderson) at Synergy in Eugene OR. I logged my build hours fairly carefully for all 32 months of the build process. Starting on 1/3/07 to Thursday when it was 100% ready to fly with FAA EXP certification, I logged 2600 hours of my own time and 307 hours of builder assist and assistance time. Total investment 2907 human hours of plan study and build. This does not include the many hours on this site and sending/receiving e-mails from fellow builders.
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Posted: Sun Aug 16, 2009 4:42 pm Post subject: How long to build an RV10 |
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Yep - my first flight was indeed on a Tuesday (21 April)!!
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jkreidler
Joined: 13 Feb 2008 Posts: 151 Location: Sheboygan Falls WI
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Posted: Mon Aug 17, 2009 4:22 am Post subject: Re: How long to build an RV10 |
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We used February 30th... The 29th comes every four years, and we didn't think we could narrow down the date that close. I suppose you could also use April 31st, June 31st, September 31st, or November 31 take your pick.
One of the first questions we get from 'outsiders' is "How long did it take?". We stopped tracking hour by hour July 2008, at that time we had in 2300 hours, I think we easily topped 3000 hours, we did use a quick build.
This has been said before but anyone wanting to build an airplane to fly will be very disappointed as to how long it takes. You need to enter this sort of project for the joy of the build, and the idea that one day it will be done. Go ahead and prove to all of the veterans, or repeat offenders just how much you don't know about building and give an estimated completion date, or an estimate of how long you have to go.
I heard somewhere that Steve R's last RV-10 took him 60 days, not sure if that was QB or not, or how much help he had, but 60 days!! Sure wish he was still around to answer.....
Enjoy every minute of the build, the highs and lows, after you are flying you might just start to miss building. But don't take too long, these things are a riot to fly!!
Jason Kreidler
N44YH - Flying
4 Partner Build - Sheboygan Falls, WI
Kyle Hokel, Tony Kolar, Wayne Elsner, Jason Kreidler
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