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Joenan1934(at)aol.com
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Posted: Tue Aug 18, 2009 6:37 am Post subject: Dual Sticks

Iam about ready to put dual sticks in my 701.  You cut the Y stick off  at the connecting point, then weld a 24 inch tube from left to right. Then weld  two upright sticks on top of the horizonial tube. I assume you put the elevator  in zero position then weld the upright sticks. Iam told that the upright sticks  should be moved forward about 20 degrees before you weld them. Any  suggestions?   Joseph    joenan1934(at)aol.com (joenan1934(at)aol.com)

 

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dwilde(at)clearwire.net
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Posted: Tue Aug 18, 2009 11:53 am Post subject: Dual Sticks

Joenan1934(at)aol.com wrote:

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		   Iam about ready to put dual sticks in my 701.  You cut the Y stick off 

 at the connecting point, then weld a 24 inch tube from left to right. 

 Then weld two upright sticks on top of the horizonial tube. I assume 

 you put the elevator in zero position then weld the upright sticks. 

 Iam told that the upright sticks should be moved forward about 20 

 degrees before you weld them. Any suggestions?   Joseph    

 joenan1934(at)aol.com <mailto:joenan1934(at)aol.com>



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 Why do you want dual sticks?  The Y stick works great from either side.

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arno7452(at)bellsouth.net
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Posted: Tue Aug 18, 2009 1:10 pm Post subject: Dual Sticks

Dual sticks look great!  Suggest you install a hinge near floor on each 

stick with locking pin to fold the stick down on ingress and egress.



Send us pics when installed.

Ken



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NYTerminat(at)aol.com
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Posted: Tue Aug 18, 2009 6:58 pm Post subject: Dual Sticks

Why would you want to do two sticks? Have you flown with the " Y"   STICK?

  

 Bob Spudis

  

  

  

  

 In a message dated 8/18/2009 10:38:11 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  Joenan1934(at)aol.com writes:

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		     Iam about ready to put dual sticks in my 701.  You cut the Y stick    off at the connecting point, then weld a 24 inch tube from left to right. Then    weld two upright sticks on top of the horizonial tube. I assume you put the    elevator in zero position then weld the upright sticks. Iam told that the    upright sticks should be moved forward about 20 degrees before you weld them.    Any suggestions?   Joseph    joenan1934(at)aol.com (joenan1934(at)aol.com)

   

      

	


 

  

 

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jpspencer(at)cableone.net
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Posted: Wed Aug 19, 2009 8:40 am Post subject: Dual sticks

>Iam about ready to put dual sticks in my 701.   You cut the Y stick off  at 

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		  the connecting point, then weld a 24  inch tube from left to right. Then weld 

 two upright sticks on top of  the horizonial tube. I assume you put the 

elevator  in zero  position then weld the upright sticks. Iam told that the 

upright  sticks  should be moved forward about 20 degrees before you weld  them.

  
	


 The thing that bothers me about this  arrangement, if I understand it correctly(and I haven't seen a drawing) is that  the grip is offset from the pivot...so when moving it left to right you get a  bunch of vertical travel too. Maybe in practice it isn't noticeable, but I don't  like the idea of it...kinda weird seeming, like the rest of the plane. Certainly  not for the purists. I'm sticking with the Y

 



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dirkslabbert(at)telkomsa.
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Posted: Wed Aug 19, 2009 9:10 am Post subject: Dual sticks

Joe, have a look at this one, nothing wrong with  the Y.

 This is just preference, I'm a south paw, grew  up on this config.

 Thought to make a slow flying plane fit my  habits.

 All the best,

 Dirk in Africa

  

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lrm(at)skyhawg.com
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Posted: Thu Aug 20, 2009 5:55 am Post subject: Dual sticks

Don't cut the "Y" off.  If you can weld then it is not difficult to 

duplicate the bottom part and make a complete dual system.  That way you 

have both.  All I have to do to replace the duals with the "Y" is remove 

two bolts and unplug the wiring.  Then you can switch back and forth. 

Let us know which you like best.

Remember when building the sticks, to put a large "C" in them (see my 

pictures).  If you make straight sticks then you will have difficultly 

getting in and out.  With the "C" it real easy to get in and out.

Take care, Larry N1345L

Joe Spencer wrote:

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		  > Iam about ready to put dual sticks in my 701.  You cut the Y stick off  at 

> the connecting point, then weld a 24 inch tube from left to right. Then weld 

> two upright sticks on top of the horizonial tube. I assume you put the 

> elevator  in zero position then weld the upright sticks. Iam told that the 

> upright sticks  should be moved forward about 20 degrees before you weld them.

 The thing that bothers me about this arrangement, if I understand it correctly(and I haven't seen a drawing) is that the grip is offset from the pivot...so when moving it left to right you get a bunch of vertical travel too. Maybe in practice it isn't noticeable, but I don't like the idea of it...kinda weird seeming, like the rest of the plane. Certainly not for the purists. I'm sticking with the Y

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carlossa52(at)gmail.com
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Posted: Thu Aug 20, 2009 6:22 am Post subject: Dual sticks

Here's what Michel Therrien did on his CH601-HD (removable "Y"):



http://mthobby.pcperfect.com/ch601/chcontrols2.htm



Carlos



 

2009/8/20 Larry <lrm(at)skyhawg.com (lrm(at)skyhawg.com)>

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 Don't cut the "Y" off.  If you can weld then it is not difficult to duplicate the bottom part and make a complete dual system.  That way you have both.  All I have to do to replace the duals with the "Y" is remove two bolts and unplug the wiring.  Then you can switch back and forth. Let us know which you like best.

  Remember when building the sticks, to put a large "C" in them (see my pictures).  If you make straight sticks then you will have difficultly getting in and out.  With the "C" it real easy to get in and out.

  

 Take care, Larry N1345L

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hart701(at)charter.net
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Posted: Fri Aug 21, 2009 3:40 am Post subject: Dual Sticks

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		  I ask one question regarding dual sticks and unless I missed it no one gave 

 >me the answer I ask for.........Joseph
	




Joseph,

Your question was, "Any suggestions?"  You got a lot of suggestions and opinions.  Not many builders have done this type of dual stick, I suggest you send an e-mail off-list to those who indicated they have built them and ask them specifically "how many degrees."

Rich Hartwig



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		  Iam about ready to put dual sticks in my 701.  You cut the Y stick off  at 

the connecting point, then weld a 24 inch tube from left to right. Then weld 

 >two upright sticks on top of the horizonial tube. I assume you put the 
	


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		  elevator  in zero position then weld the upright sticks. Iam told that the 

upright sticks  should be moved forward about 20 degrees before you weld >them.


	


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		  Any  suggestions?   Joseph    _joenan1934(at)aol.com_

lrm(at)skyhawg.com
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Posted: Mon Aug 24, 2009 10:09 am Post subject: Dual Sticks

To the guy who originally posted the following:



  "Iam about ready to put dual sticks in my 701.  You cut the Y stick off

   at the connecting point, then weld a 24 inch tube from left to right.

Then weld two upright sticks on top of the horizonial tube. I assume you

put the elevator  in zero position then weld the upright sticks. Iam

told that the upright sticks  should be moved forward about 20 degrees

before you weld them."



During that crap with Joe Spencer I realized that no one really answered 

you questions. So I will give you my opinion.



First use bent sticks not straight ones.  Straight sticks make it very 

difficult to get in and out.  The bend should be in the shape of a "C" 

with a straight tail on the top end to allow for the grips.



Put your elevator in the maximum down position with the stick in the as 

  far as you can reach position.  Mine ended up directly under the 

instrument panel.  You will never use it that far anyway unless you are 

dive bombing.  Weld it there.  You have cables to make fine adjustments. 

  The other advantage in having it so forward is that it really makes it 

easy to get in and out and it's out of the way when not in use.



Don't worry about vertical movement, it is a non issue and actually is 

an advantage because you have a little less horizontal movement.  It 

does not interfere with the other guy.  And if you pin the co-pilot side 

that's another advantage over the "Y".



I also suggest you try and fabricate an entire new setup rather than 

cutting up your "Y".  Then you can try both and make up your own mind. 

Or sell the "Y" to one of the die hard purist.



I have quite a few hours with this dual stick arrangement and wouldn't 

consider a "Y". I've flown with the "Y" also and there is no comparison 

to the dual for convenience and ease of use.

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