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MHerder
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 Posted: Thu Aug 20, 2009 7:28 am Post subject: Anti Collision Lighting Requirements |
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I am working on a 601, I am planning on having an aircraft that meets night VFR requirements.
My understanding is that regardigng lighting I will require nav lights, anti collision lights, and position lights.
My plan is to use the aero flash with strobe and nav light in each wing tip and one position light on the tail.
I believe that this should meet the basic requirements with respect to lighting... Correct?
My understanding is that the anti collision lights must converge within 1200 ft of the aircraft, I think that this should comply, but I'm looking for a sanity check. I really want to avoid having to put a strobe on the tail if possible.
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| Posted: Thu Aug 20, 2009 8:12 am Post subject: Anti Collision Lighting Requirements |
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Looks like you should be good to go with your plan.
Bill Pagan EAA Tech Counselor #4395
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Subject: Anti Collision Lighting Requirements
To: zenith-list(at)matronics.com
Date: Thursday, August 20, 2009, 11:28 AM
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I am working on a 601, I am planning on having an aircraft that meets night VFR requirements.
My understanding is that regardigng lighting I will require nav lights, anti collision lights, and position lights.
My plan is to use the aero flash with strobe and nav light in each wing tip and one position light on the tail.
I believe that this should meet the basic requirements with respect to lighting... Correct?
My understanding is that the anti collision lights must converge within 1200 ft of the aircraft, I think that this should comply, but I'm looking for a sanity check. I really want to avoid having to put a strobe on the tail if possible.
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Gig Giacona
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| Posted: Thu Aug 20, 2009 8:55 am Post subject: Re: Anti Collision Lighting Requirements |
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You are good to go as written.
| MHerder wrote: | I am working on a 601, I am planning on having an aircraft that meets night VFR requirements.
My understanding is that regardigng lighting I will require nav lights, anti collision lights, and position lights.
My plan is to use the aero flash with strobe and nav light in each wing tip and one position light on the tail.
I believe that this should meet the basic requirements with respect to lighting... Correct?
My understanding is that the anti collision lights must converge within 1200 ft of the aircraft, I think that this should comply, but I'm looking for a sanity check. I really want to avoid having to put a strobe on the tail if possible. |
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tigerrick(at)mindspring.c
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| Posted: Thu Aug 20, 2009 9:47 am Post subject: Anti Collision Lighting Requirements |
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Hi, Mike!
I'm a big fan of the Aveo Engineering wingtip units, which combine strobe, position lights, and rear-facing white position lights all in one unit. This means you won't need the white position light on the tail, just the two wingtip mounted units (which connect directly to aircraft power - no power supply box!).
Better yet, they draw a mere pittance of electrical power, will save you over 4 pounds of weight when compared to the typical strobe/power supply installation, and come with a lifetime warranty. Best of all, they're over twice as bright as what the regs require for airframe lighting. And since they're completely sealed and potted in a super-tough clear acrylic material, there's no internal condensation (as I've seen with competitors).
I was so impressed with these things when I first saw them at AirVenture 2008, that I signed up to be a reseller (California only). We have a hard time keeping them in stock in our retail store. A pair lists for just under $700.
I've attached a photo for your amusement.
(I'm putting a pair on my own 601XL, so if anyone needs a traditional nav/strobe/rear position light setup, let me know. The items I'm removing have less that 120 hours on them.)
Rick Lindstrom
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agbeyer(at)sbcglobal.net
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| Posted: Thu Aug 20, 2009 11:14 am Post subject: Anti Collision Lighting Requirements |
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Mike,
If you don't like the looks of lights that look like they were made from a kit from Radio Shack take a look at the lights from AeroLED's. I have them on my plane. I also have their Landing/Taxi lights which are also very nice. See the attached pics of each. Zenith is selling them now (Best price around).
http://www.aeroleds.com/
Al from Oshkosh
From: Rick Lindstrom <tigerrick(at)mindspring.com>
To: zenith-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 12:42:10 PM
Subject: Re: Anti Collision Lighting Requirements
Hi, Mike!
I'm a big fan of the Aveo Engineering wingtip units, which combine strobe, position lights, and rear-facing white position lights all in one unit. This means you won't need the white position light on the tail, just the two wingtip mounted units (which connect directly to aircraft power - no power supply box!).
Better yet, they draw a mere pittance of electrical power, will save you over 4 pounds of weight when compared to the typical strobe/power supply installation, and come with a lifetime warranty. Best of all, they're over twice as bright as what the regs require for airframe lighting. And since they're completely sealed and potted in a super-tough clear acrylic material, there's no internal condensation (as I've seen with competitors).
I was so impressed with these things when I first saw them at AirVenture 2008, that I signed up to be a reseller (California only). We have a hard time keeping them in stock in our retail store. A pair lists for just under $700.
I've attached a photo for your amusement.
(I'm putting a pair on my own 601XL, so if anyone needs a traditional nav/strobe/rear position light setup, let me know. The items I'm removing have less that 120 hours on them.)
Rick Lindstrom
N42KP
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tigerrick(at)mindspring.c
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| Posted: Thu Aug 20, 2009 1:04 pm Post subject: Anti Collision Lighting Requirements |
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Hi, Alan!
Yeah, I'm hip to the AeroLEDs. I even went to their press conference. And you're right, they are less expensive and offer more margin to their dealers.
However, they do have a condensation issue where moisture forms on the inside of the lens, where the electronics are. If you saw the units mounted on aircraft in the Glasair static display area, all of them had some level of moisture visible inside where it couldn't be easily purged.
I hope they fix this issue, 'cause moisture and electronics don't mix very well.
Rick
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craig(at)craigandjean.com
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| Posted: Thu Aug 20, 2009 4:13 pm Post subject: Anti Collision Lighting Requirements |
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So has anyone compared the visibility of xenon strobes to LED “strobes” from a distance? I wonder if an LED strobe is really as visible over the same distance as a xenon one. I know the LED strobes look “bright” in a display but I wonder about in the real world.
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| Posted: Thu Aug 20, 2009 4:34 pm Post subject: Anti Collision Lighting Requirements |
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Hi, Craig.
I don't why the relative brightness over distance would be any different no matter what the light source, but I do know that one of the Aveo beacon products is often referred to as being available in "25, 50, or 75 mile" ranges. These are all LED based beacons, the brightest one designed for the closure rates of 300+ knot capable aircraft.
Also, the minimum light output from the least expensive wingtip combo strobe/position light package is 817 candela. This is more than double the output of what is specified for certified aircraft.
Given the small size of my Zodiac, I wanted the brightest solution so I can be easily seen, even in hazy daytime VFR conditions.
I'll be finishing a display shortly that compares the old and new technologies, maybe some light readings from the two would be useful?
Rick Lindstrom
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psm(at)att.net
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| Posted: Thu Aug 20, 2009 5:12 pm Post subject: Anti Collision Lighting Requirements |
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Hi Rick,
After many years of designing electronic systems including optical
devices, I am going to make a very unusual statement (for me).
I would trust the FAA specifications and vendor guarantees for this
kind of device. These should mean it does the intended job - of
illuminating your location at night. In the daytime I would rather
depend on landing lights that are much brighter for this purpose.
Optical specifications are always very confusing. Some of them refer
to the energy emitted while other ones include the weird spectral
response of human vision in their numbers.
Paul
XL awaiting engineering changes
At 05:31 PM 8/20/2009, you wrote:
| Quote: | Hi, Craig.
I don't why the relative brightness over distance would be any
different no matter what the light source, but I do know that one of
the Aveo beacon products is often referred to as being available in
"25, 50, or 75 mile" ranges. These are all LED based beacons, the
brightest one designed for the closure rates of 300+ knot capable aircraft.
Also, the minimum light output from the least expensive wingtip
combo strobe/position light package is 817 candela. This is more
than double the output of what is specified for certified aircraft.
Given the small size of my Zodiac, I wanted the brightest solution
so I can be easily seen, even in hazy daytime VFR conditions.
I'll be finishing a display shortly that compares the old and new
technologies, maybe some light readings from the two would be useful?
Rick Lindstrom
N42KP
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