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jpspencer(at)cableone.net
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Posted: Fri Aug 21, 2009 5:12 am Post subject: correction to Larry's post

Don't cut the "Y" off.  If you can weld then it is  not difficult to 

duplicate the bottom part and make a complete dual  system.  That way you 

have both.  All I have to do to replace the  duals with the "Y" is remove 

two bolts and unplug the wiring.  Then you  can switch back and forth. 

Let us know which you like best.

Remember when  building the sticks, to put a large "C" in them (see my 

pictures).  If  you make straight sticks then you will have difficultly 

getting in and  out.  With the "C" it real easy to get in and out.

Take care, Larry  N1345L

Joe Spencer wrote:

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		  > Iam about ready to put dual sticks  in my 701.  You cut the Y stick off  at 

> the connecting  point, then weld a 24 inch tube from left to right. Then weld

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		  >  two upright sticks on top of the horizonial tube. I assume you put the  

> elevator  in zero position then weld the upright sticks. Iam  told that the 

> upright sticks  should be moved forward about 20  degrees before you weld them.

 The thing that bothers me about  this arrangement, if I understand it correctly(and

I haven't seen a drawing)  is that the grip is offset from the pivot...so

when moving it left to right  you get a bunch of vertical travel too. Maybe in

practice it isn't  noticeable, but I don't like the idea of it...kinda weird seeming,

like the  rest of the plane. Certainly not for the purists. I'm sticking

with the  Y

 Larry

 I didn't write what you indicated I did...I  wrote the last paragraph; no way am I about ready to put dual sticks in my 701.  Please be more careful about what you indicate that others said...well, in   my case anyway. Thanks

 Joe

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lrm(at)skyhawg.com
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Posted: Fri Aug 21, 2009 7:18 pm Post subject: correction to Larry's post

I didn't indicate you wrote anything.  It was meant to be instructions 

using "you" meaning the person doing the work, not any one individual 

person. It was to instruct how one could have both types of sticks with 

out much effort to help them decide which they like the most.

Those who don't like the dual sticks don't like them because they make 

their sticks straight and it is very difficult to get in and out if one 

doesn't put a large curve or "C" in them. That's the big secret. It 

allows one to get their entry foot past the stick without much effort.

The vertical travel is not even noticeable, not an issue.

The dual stick system in my plane wasn't my idea.  I didn't invent it. 

It is a very well proven system in lots of gyroplanes that has been in 

use and flying for many years, mainly RAFs. I just copied it. Every one 

I ever flew had the dual stick arrangement it them.  They are extremely 

efficient and very comfortable to use.  You have a natural rest for 

which ever hand you wish to use and change up at any time.  The first 

"Y" I ever flew was in a 701, and I did not like it. It wears your arm 

out by having to hold it up in an unnatural position for extended 

periods of time and you are forced to fly only right handed for the 

pilot or left handed for the co-pilot.  The only positive logic I can 

think of for the "Y" is that it is easier to build and somewhat lighter. 

The bottom line is that the dual system offers much more flexibility and 

ease of use than the "Y" does.

If you took offense, I meant none.  We don't need to be picking peoples 

words apart, none of us write perfectly, especially me. If we start 

picking posts apart, people will just quit posting.

Take care, Larry N1345L

Joe Spencer wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		   Don't cut the "Y" off.  If you can weld then it is not difficult to 

 duplicate the bottom part and make a complete dual system.  That way you 

 have both.  All I have to do to replace the duals with the "Y" is remove 

 two bolts and unplug the wiring.  Then you can switch back and forth. 

 Let us know which you like best.

 Remember when building the sticks, to put a large "C" in them (see my 

 pictures).  If you make straight sticks then you will have difficultly 

 getting in and out.  With the "C" it real easy to get in and out.

 Take care, Larry N1345L

 Joe Spencer wrote:

>> Iam about ready to put dual sticks in my 701.  You cut the Y stick off  at 

>> the connecting point, then weld a 24 inch tube from left to right. Then weld

>> two upright sticks on top of the horizonial tube. I assume you put the 

>> elevator  in zero position then weld the upright sticks. Iam told that the 

>> upright sticks  should be moved forward about 20 degrees before you weld them.

> The thing that bothers me about this arrangement, if I understand it correctly(and

 I haven't seen a drawing) is that the grip is offset from the pivot...so

 when moving it left to right you get a bunch of vertical travel too. Maybe in

 practice it isn't noticeable, but I don't like the idea of it...kinda weird seeming,

 like the rest of the plane. Certainly not for the purists. I'm sticking

 with the Y

 Larry

 I didn't write what you indicated I did...I wrote the last paragraph; no way am I about ready to put dual sticks in my 701. Please be more careful about what you indicate that others said...well, in  my case anyway. Thanks

 Joe

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dougsnash

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Posted: Fri Aug 21, 2009 7:43 pm Post subject: correction to Larry's post

Larry, I am surprised that you found the "Y" stick un-natural.  Keeping in mind that my only stick time in the 701 is sitting in mine making airplane noises and the brief Demo flight with Roger last fall but I find the "Y" stick to be pretty much perfect.  If I stick my arm out naturally, my wrist is at the angle of the "Y".  I suppose though that we are all built differently (and so are our planes) so what is comfortable to one, might be uncomfortable to another.



Regardless, you are always putting a lot of thought into any modification that you do, keep up the great work.



Doug MacDonald

CH-701 Scratch Builder

NW Ontario, Canada

Mounting Slats



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		   The first "Y" I ever flew was in a

 701, and I did not like it. It wears your arm out by having

 to hold it up in an unnatural position for extended periods

 of time and you are forced to fly only right handed for the

 pilot or left handed for the co-pilot.  The only

 positive logic I can think of for the "Y" is that it is

 easier to build and somewhat lighter. The bottom line is

 that the dual system offers much more flexibility and ease

 of use than the "Y" does.

 


	




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arno7452(at)bellsouth.net
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Posted: Sat Aug 22, 2009 12:46 am Post subject: correction to Larry's post

Listers,

Larry has a very well designed dual stick installation.  I have looked at 

his web site many times for inspiration and engineering.  He also is always 

very helpful to those of us ignorant or inexperienced.



I suggest you take a look at his web site and peruse the various links.  His 

701 is awesome.

Ken

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jpspencer(at)cableone.net
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Posted: Sat Aug 22, 2009 9:37 am Post subject: correction to Larry's post

I beg your pardon Larry, but if you look at your  post you will see "Joe Spencer wrote:" right above what I didn't  write...obviously indicating that I wrote it. That's what I object to. Put "Joe  Spencer wrote:" above exactly what I wrote and you won't hear a peep out of me.I  don't give a damn about all that other business about what you do to your plane  and all. Just don't quote me in error. Read your post man...

  

 Joe

  

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cscsail(at)gmavt.net
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Posted: Sat Aug 22, 2009 11:44 am Post subject: correction to Larry's post

starting to sound like the 601 list

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arno7452(at)bellsouth.net
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Posted: Sat Aug 22, 2009 12:10 pm Post subject: correction to Larry's post

sure is.  May be time to meet behind the wood  shed for a little chat.

  

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jpspencer(at)cableone.net
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Posted: Sat Aug 22, 2009 1:08 pm Post subject: correction to Larry's post

>sure is.  May be time to meet behind the wood  shed for a little chat.



 Yeah, suits me. I have been there before...sometimes it  worked out, sometimes it didn't.

 The thing that burned me was when Larry defended  misquoting fellow listers. That's about as fundamentally wrong as it  gets...I would never do that. And if I did and was called on it I would respond  something like "whoops, sorry for that. it was an oversight and won't happen  again". Not defend my screwup and accuse the violated one of nit picking the  posts or whatever it was Larry said. If there had been a response something like  that, it would have been the end of it. I carefully review everything I post, in  an effort to not make that kind of mistake, and cause unintended heartburn for  others. See, I am real careful about what I put on here and I don't want anybody  doing my posts for me, or saying I said something I didn't...

 It's just common sense and plain ol good  manners 

 Now back to our regularly scheduled  programming

  

 Joe Spencer

 



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lrm(at)skyhawg.com
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Posted: Sat Aug 22, 2009 6:31 pm Post subject: correction to Larry's post

Joe, I already told you I meant no offense.  Why didn't you just accept 

that and let it go.  I did not put the "Joe Spencer wrote" on the post 

that I know of.  Have no idea how it got there, I just did a reply to 

the last post made on the subject.  And, so what?  What difference did 

it make if I did accidentally get it there anyway? Why is there always 

someone like you that get bent out of shape over nothing? It's not 

necessary, serves no purpose and is counter to what this list is all about.



Sorry guys, but this Joe guy seems to have an attitude problem that just 

struck me wrong.  And there will be no more comments from me about it.



Take care, Larry



Joe Spencer wrote:

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		   I beg your pardon Larry, but if you look at your post you will see "Joe Spencer wrote:" right above what I didn't write...obviously indicating that I wrote it. That's what I object to. Put "Joe Spencer wrote:" above exactly what I wrote and you won't hear a peep out of me.I don't give a damn about all that other business about what you do to your plane and all. Just don't quote me in error. Read your post man...

 

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jpspencer(at)cableone.net
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Posted: Sun Aug 23, 2009 7:42 am Post subject: Correction to Larry's post

>Joe, I already told you I meant no offense.  Why  didn't you just accept 

 	  Quote: 	
		  that and let it go.  I did not put the "Joe  Spencer wrote" on the post 

that I know of.  Have no idea how it got  there, I just did a reply to 

the last post made on the subject.   And, so what?  What difference did 

it make if I did accidentally  get it there anyway? Why is there always 

someone like you that get bent  out of shape over nothing? It's not 

necessary, serves no purpose and is  counter to what this list is all about.


	


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		  Sorry guys, but this Joe guy  seems to have an attitude problem that just 

struck me wrong.  And  there will be no more comments from me about it.


	


Yup. that's about what I  would have expected in your reply Larry..."have no idea"...

  

 To the list:

 This was an unpleasant exchange for me too, on what is  normally a peaceful forum...and there are probably some who look at my part as  something of an overreaction. So be it. It's not all right to put words in  another's mouth for "all the world" to see, even tho Larry thinks it's ok, no  big deal, and should be tolerated by the one he does it to...and if they object,  they have an attitude problem. Well, I will call it out everytime it's done  to me(this is the first time), no matter if the result is somewhat benign. We  are all responsible for the content and correctness of our posts and what effect  it has on others, and "have no idea" doesn't excuse that responsibility. I  really don't think anybody on this list would appreciate having the content of  another's post assigned to them, especially when you disagree with that content,  as was done in this case...whether it was from carelessness, failure to  review/edit your post before submitting, stupidity or wharever...

 I too am done posting on this thread...much to all's  relief, I feel sure. Nuff said.

  

 Joe Spencer

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