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FisherPaulA(at)JohnDeere.
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So is it OK to use my aircraft (“free” as Mike says below), but still pay an instructor? In the overall transaction there would be compensation changing hands, but it would only be for the instructor’s time, not the plane itself.
The operating limitations specifically say “No person may operate this aircraft for carrying persons or property for compensation or hire”. I’d simply like to pay an instructor to check out other people (specifically my son) in my plane. I don’t think that violates the intent of the operating limitations, but I don’t want to violate the letter of them either!
Paul A. Fisher
RV-7A N18PF – 15 hours into phase I, so this is just an academic question for another 25 hours!
From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mike Robertson
If it is free to use or it is yours then have at it. If it is on a training exemption then it can be used for transition training and you can pay for its use.
Mike Robertson
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What is the current status of using a RV for training?
Thanks
Rollie
RV6A
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carlosh(at)structuralaz.c
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| Posted: Tue Aug 25, 2009 1:13 pm Post subject: Training |
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Paul,
If it is your plane (owner) and your not charging for the use of the plane just the CFI's instruction and time then there's no problem. I was transitioned into our experimental and just paid our CFI for his time. Dad and I also do this for our BFR's in our experimental. We also did this for a friend that needed flight hours in our type experimental plane for insurance purposes. We let them fly the plane and he paid his time to the CFI. Now he was nice enough to buy lunch but we did not collect any money for the use the plane.
Carlos in Arizona
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So is it OK to use my aircraft (“free” as Mike says below), but still pay an instructor? In the overall transaction there would be compensation changing hands, but it would only be for the instructor’s time, not the plane itself.
The operating limitations specifically say “No person may operate this aircraft for carrying persons or property for compensation or hire”. I’d simply like to pay an instructor to check out other people (specifically my son) in my plane. I don’t think that violates the intent of the operating limitations, but I don’t want to violate the letter of them either!
Paul A. Fisher
RV-7A N18PF – 15 hours into phase I, so this is just an academic question for another 25 hours!
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pilots2(at)yahoo.com
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| Posted: Tue Aug 25, 2009 2:03 pm Post subject: Training |
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Paul,
Carlos is correct. If it is your plane, and it is out of Phase I, you can hire a CFI (please make sure he or she speaks RV) and check out your mom, dad, son, daughter, wife, girlfriend, anyone as long as no money changes hands concerning the "using" of the aircraft (the checkee can pay for gas). If any money changes hands then your airplane is being used for hire and must be approved by the FAA for transition training, otherwise you are in violation of FAR 91.319(a)(2).
Reuven Silberman
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FAA approved for transition training
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From: Carlos Hernandez <carlosh(at)structuralaz.com>
Subject: Re: Training
To: rv-list(at)matronics.com
Date: Tuesday, August 25, 2009, 2:03 PM
Paul,
If it is your plane (owner) and your not charging for the use of the plane just the CFI's instruction and time then there's no problem. I was transitioned into our experimental and just paid our CFI for his time. Dad and I also do this for our BFR's in our experimental. We also did this for a friend that needed flight hours in our type experimental plane for insurance purposes. We let them fly the plane and he paid his time to the CFI. Now he was nice enough to buy lunch but we did not collect any money for the use the plane.
Carlos in Arizona
Fisher Paul A. wrote: | Quote: |
So is it OK to use my aircraft (“free” as Mike says below), but still pay an instructor? In the overall transaction there would be compensation changing hands, but it would only be for the instructor’s time, not the plane itself.
The operating limitations specifically say “No person may operate this aircraft for carrying persons or property for compensation or hire”. I’d simply like to pay an instructor to check out other people (specifically my son) in my plane. I don’t think that violates the intent of the operating limitations, but I don’t want to violate the letter of them either!
Paul A. Fisher
RV-7A N18PF – 15 hours into phase I, so this is just an academic question for another 25 hours!
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mrobert569(at)hotmail.com
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| Posted: Tue Aug 25, 2009 2:24 pm Post subject: Training |
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You are OK to pay an instructor to give you instruction in your plane. Same thing goes for your son.
Mike Robertson
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From: FisherPaulA(at)JohnDeere.com
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Date: Tue C 25 Aug 2009 15:14:31 -0500
Subject: RE: Training
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So is it OK to use my aircraft (free as Mike says below) C but still pay an instructor? In the overall transaction there would be compensation changing hands C but it would only be for the instructors time C not the plane itself.
The operating limitations specifically say No person may operate this aircraft for carrying persons or property for compensation or hire. Id simply like to pay an instructor to check out other people (specifically my son) in my plane. I dont think that violates the intent of the operating limitations C but I dont want to violate the letter of them either!
Paul A. Fisher
RV-7A N18PF 15 hours into phase I C so this is just an academic question for another 25 hours!
From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mike Robertson
If it is free to use or itis yours then have at it. If itis on a training exemption thenit can be used for transition training and you can pay for its use.
Mike Robertson
Das Fed
From: Rquinn1(at)aol.com
RVers
What is the current status of using a RV for training?
Thanks
Rollie
RV6A
Get back to school stuff for them and cashback for you. Try Bing now. [quote][b]
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jsflyrv(at)verizon.net
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| Posted: Tue Aug 25, 2009 2:30 pm Post subject: Training |
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According to the letter of the law even buying lunch violates the law.
Might be kind of hard to prove that lunch was for the use
airplane but you were almost saying that in the post.
Jerry
Carlos Hernandez wrote:
| Quote: | Paul,
If it is your plane (owner) and your not charging for the use of the
plane just the CFI's instruction and time then there's no problem. I
was transitioned into our experimental and just paid our CFI for his
time. Dad and I also do this for our BFR's in our experimental. We
also did this for a friend that needed flight hours in our type
experimental plane for insurance purposes. We let them fly the plane
and he paid his time to the CFI. Now he was nice enough to buy lunch
but we did not collect any money for the use the plane.
Carlos in Arizona
Fisher Paul A. wrote:
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> So is it OK to use my aircraft (free as Mike says below), but still
> pay an instructor? In the overall transaction there would be
> compensation changing hands, but it would only be for the
> instructors time, not the plane itself.
>
> The operating limitations specifically say No person may operate
> this aircraft for carrying persons or property for compensation or
> hire. Id simply like to pay an instructor to check out other people
> (specifically my son) in my plane. I dont think that violates the
> intent of the operating limitations, but I dont want to violate the
> letter of them either!
>
> Paul A. Fisher
>
> RV-7A N18PF 15 hours into phase I, so this is just an academic
> question for another 25 hours!
>
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Carlos Hernandez <carlosh(at)sec-engr.com>
Structural Engineers Company
2963 W. Elliot Rd. - Suite 3
Chandler, AZ 85224
Phone: 480.968.8600
Fax: 480.968.8608
www.sec-engr.com
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