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n223rv(at)wolflakeairport
Guest

Posted: Tue Aug 25, 2009 5:08 pm Post subject: Grab Handles

I don't like the Vans set up on the grab handles.  They appear very  

hard to trim out as the back end is flush with the panel.  I was  

thinking about spacing the reinforcement rings further aft to give  

some room behind it to add a trim ring or something.



What have others done to make this area look nice?  Picts would be  

great!!



-Mike



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dmaib@me.com

Joined: 25 Apr 2006
Posts: 454
Location: New Smyrna Beach, Florida

Posted: Tue Aug 25, 2009 5:24 pm Post subject: Grab Handles

I find that we never use the grab handles. We always use the center  

windshield post when adjusting seats or getting in and out of the  

airplane. I do use the right hand one as a handy place to clip my  

SPOT tracker.



$.02 worth.



David Maib

40559

Flying



On Aug 25, 2009, at 9:05 PM, Michael Kraus wrote:




<n223rv(at)wolflakeairport.net>



I don't like the Vans set up on the grab handles.  They appear very  

hard to trim out as the back end is flush with the panel.  I was  

thinking about spacing the reinforcement rings further aft to give  

some room behind it to add a trim ring or something.



What have others done to make this area look nice?  Picts would be  

great!!



-Mike



Sent from my iPhone

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David Maib
RV-10 #40559
New Smyrna Beach, FL

jesse(at)saintaviation.co
Guest

Posted: Tue Aug 25, 2009 5:52 pm Post subject: Grab Handles

We just paint it & use a glareshield pad.  As was mentioned, I never  

use them.  I always use the center bar.  Much more sturdy.



Do not archive



Jesse Saint

Saint Aviation

jesse(at)saintaviation.com

352-427-0285



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On Aug 25, 2009, at 9:05 PM, Michael Kraus  

<n223rv(at)wolflakeairport.net> wrote:



 	  Quote: 	
		   

 >



 I don't like the Vans set up on the grab handles.  They appear very  

 hard to trim out as the back end is flush with the panel.  I was  

 thinking about spacing the reinforcement rings further aft to give  

 some room behind it to add a trim ring or something.



 What have others done to make this area look nice?  Picts would be  

 great!!



 -Mike



 Sent from my iPhone

pitts_pilot(at)bellsouth.
Guest

Posted: Tue Aug 25, 2009 6:01 pm Post subject: Grab Handles

Whic causes me to ask the question.  Would anyone miss the windshield 

post if the mod fairies visited???  And yes, I'm contemplating leaving 

mine out.  I hate stuff in the way of the 'view'.  I'm not interested in 

'structural' comments, just whether it's used a lot and not a real big 

'distraction', so no flames, please.

Linn



David Maib wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		   

 

 I find that we never use the grab handles. We always use the center 

 windshield post when adjusting seats or getting in and out of the 

 airplane. I do use the right hand one as a handy place to clip my SPOT 

 tracker.

 

 $.02 worth.

 

 David Maib

 40559

jesse(at)saintaviation.co
Guest

Posted: Tue Aug 25, 2009 6:22 pm Post subject: Grab Handles

It doesn't seem to bother the view.  It would be a pain not to have it.

Jesse Saint

Saint Aviation

jesse(at)saintaviation.com

352-427-0285

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On Aug 25, 2009, at 9:58 PM, Linn Walters <pitts_pilot(at)bellsouth.net>  

wrote:

 	  Quote: 	

 >

 Whic causes me to ask the question.  Would anyone miss the  

 windshield post if the mod fairies visited???  And yes, I'm  

 contemplating leaving mine out.  I hate stuff in the way of the  

 'view'.  I'm not interested in 'structural' comments, just whether  

 it's used a lot and not a real big 'distraction', so no flames,  

 please.

 Linn

 David Maib wrote:

> 

> I find that we never use the grab handles. We always use the center  

> windshield post when adjusting seats or getting in and out of the  

> airplane. I do use the right hand one as a handy place to clip my  

> SPOT tracker.

> $.02 worth.

> David Maib

> 40559

rene(at)felker.com
Guest

Posted: Tue Aug 25, 2009 6:27 pm Post subject: Grab Handles

Yes I would miss the post.  Very hard to get in the plane without it.



Rene'

801-721-6080

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coop85(at)verizon.net
Guest

Posted: Tue Aug 25, 2009 6:54 pm Post subject: Grab Handles

I honestly am not aware of the bar there in flight, so no distraction in my

opinion.  I use the bar a lot as something to hold for a change in arm

position and also to shift my weight in the seat, far better than the glare

shield handholds.  I would miss it a lot, but then again I'm used to it

being there.  I suspect it not being there would take its toll on the glare

shield in a big way since that's all that would be there to grab on to.



Marcus

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Phil.Perry(at)netapp.com
Guest

Posted: Tue Aug 25, 2009 7:23 pm Post subject: Grab Handles

I fly an airplane with a center post and it doesn't bother me at all..



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Tim Olson

Joined: 25 Jan 2007
Posts: 2872

Posted: Tue Aug 25, 2009 7:29 pm Post subject: Grab Handles

I, like you, absolutely hated the idea of the center bar when

I first flew in the factory 10.  I came from a Sundowner

that was wide open in front and had great visibility. I contemplated

getting rid of it entirely, and didn't want it there.

Funny thing is, now I wouldn't probably be without it if I had

the choice. I use it ALL the time.  My hand is constantly

there, getting in, getting out, pulling myself from

under the panel, and especially when riding along in

turbulence.  Sometimes I just hang my hand from there

like an ape to relax.  It's great having it.  I do very

highly recommend that you paint the bar a very dark color,

and the same with the glareshield...something non-reflective

for sure.  You will see anything that is light in color as

a reflection in the windshield.  That is the only time I'd

be annoyed, but since I painted my a darker grey, it is

usually invisible, and I'm surprised at how much my

perspective changed, once I started actually flying my -10.

Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD

Linn Walters wrote:

 	  Quote: 	

 Whic causes me to ask the question.  Would anyone miss the windshield 

 post if the mod fairies visited???  And yes, I'm contemplating leaving 

 mine out.  I hate stuff in the way of the 'view'.  I'm not interested in 

 'structural' comments, just whether it's used a lot and not a real big 

 'distraction', so no flames, please.

 Linn

 David Maib wrote:

> 

>

> I find that we never use the grab handles. We always use the center 

> windshield post when adjusting seats or getting in and out of the 

> airplane. I do use the right hand one as a handy place to clip my SPOT 

> tracker.

>

> $.02 worth.

>

> David Maib

> 40559

pitts_pilot(at)bellsouth.
Guest

Posted: Tue Aug 25, 2009 7:55 pm Post subject: Grab Handles

Thanks to everyone for all the feedback on the center post!  I'm not one 

to ignore good advice.  The post will be there when my bird flies!!!

Linn

jeff(at)westcottpress.com
Guest

Posted: Tue Aug 25, 2009 8:40 pm Post subject: Grab Handles

You mean there's supposed to be a center post?



Is that in the plans somewhere?



Do Not Archive

On Aug 25, 2009, at 8:53 PM, Linn Walters wrote:



 	  Quote: 	
		   

 >



 Thanks to everyone for all the feedback on the center post!  I'm not  

 one to ignore good advice.  The post will be there when my bird  

 flies!!!

 Linn

partner14

Joined: 12 Jan 2008
Posts: 540
Location: Granbury Texas

Posted: Tue Aug 25, 2009 8:44 pm Post subject: Grab Handles

Tim,,,, and I thought I was the only one that kind of just hangs from the post from time to time.  Definitely like it in there.

 Don McDonald

--- On Tue, 8/25/09, Tim Olson <Tim(at)MyRV10.com> wrote:

  	  Quote: 	

From: Tim Olson <Tim(at)MyRV10.com>

Subject: Re: Grab Handles

To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com

Date: Tuesday, August 25, 2009, 8:25 PM

 --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim(at)myrv10.com (Tim(at)myrv10.com)>

I, like you, absolutely hated the idea of the center bar when

I first flew in the factory 10.  I came from a Sundowner

that was wide open in front and had great visibility. I contemplated

getting rid of it entirely, and didn't want it there.

Funny thing is, now I wouldn't probably be without it if I had

the choice. I use it ALL the time.  My hand is constantly

there, getting in, getting out, pulling myself from

under the panel, and especially when riding along in

turbulence.  Sometimes I just hang my hand from there

like an ape to relax.  It's great having it.  I do very

highly recommend that you paint the bar a very dark color,

and the same with the glareshield...something  non-reflective

for sure.  You will see anything that is light in color as

a reflection in the windshield.  That is the only time I'd

be annoyed, but since I painted my a darker grey, it is

usually invisible, and I'm surprised at how much my

perspective changed, once I started actually flying my -10.

Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD

Linn Walters wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		   --> RV10-List message posted by: Linn Walters <pitts_pilot(at)bellsouth.net (pitts_pilot(at)bellsouth.net)>

 Whic causes me to ask the question.  Would anyone miss the windshield post if the mod fairies visited???  And yes, I'm contemplating leaving mine out.  I hate stuff in the way of the 'view'.  I'm not interested in 'structural' comments, just whether it's used a lot and not a real big 'distraction', so no flames,  please.

 Linn

 David Maib wrote:

> --> RV10-List message posted by: David Maib <dmaib(at)mac.com (dmaib(at)mac.com)>

> 

> I find that we never use the grab handles. We always use the center windshield post when adjusting seats or getting in and out of the airplane. I do use the right hand one as a handy place to clip my SPOT tracker.

> 

> $.02 worth.http://www.matronics.com/Nav               - MATRONICS WEB                 -Matt Dralle, Listm/contribution" =======

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Don A. McDonald
40636

msausen

Joined: 25 Oct 2007
Posts: 559
Location: Appleton, WI USA

Posted: Wed Aug 26, 2009 5:35 am Post subject: Grab Handles

Also, as one of the users of the S-10 overhead console mod, I plan on using the center post to run wires up for the overhead lights and anything else I stick in there like probably the 496 GPS antenna.



Michael



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orchidman

Joined: 10 Jul 2006
Posts: 277
Location: Oklahoma City - KRCE

Posted: Wed Aug 26, 2009 6:44 am Post subject: Re: Grab Handles

 	  msausen wrote: 	
		  Also, as one of the users of the S-10 overhead console mod, I plan on using the center post to run wires up for the overhead lights and anything else I stick in there like probably the 496 GPS antenna.

Michael-- 	


I considered that but put my 496 GPS antenna on the glare shield just to the left of where the center post goes through the glare shield.  I put the WX antenna just to the right of the post.  I cut the hole in the glare shield where the post penetrates it larger on the left side to get the connectors through it.

When flying I have not noted any interference in my view.  We sit high enough that the antennas are below the our view of the outside.

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Gary Blankenbiller
RV10 - # 40674
(N2GB Flying)

Tim Olson

Joined: 25 Jan 2007
Posts: 2872

Posted: Wed Aug 26, 2009 6:51 am Post subject: Grab Handles

I forgot all about that aspect!  Yes, I have 2 antenna wires up

the grab bar, and also some wires for LED lights.  So without

that, you'd absolutely have to have an overhead console because

there is no other good way to get wires up there for lights.



Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD



RV Builder (Michael Sausen) wrote:

[quote] 

 

 Also, as one of the users of the S-10 overhead console mod, I plan on using the center post to run wires up for the overhead lights and anything else I stick in there like probably the 496 GPS antenna.

 

 Michael

 

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dmaib@me.com

Joined: 25 Apr 2006
Posts: 454
Location: New Smyrna Beach, Florida

Posted: Wed Aug 26, 2009 9:13 am Post subject: Grab Handles

I actually considered leaving mine out as well. After riding in a -10  

and talking to others that were flying -10's, I decided to throw that  

idea away. I don't think it is a "view" problem, and as mentioned, it  

is very handy and sturdy for entry and exit, as well as seat  

adjustment. Structural considerations were considerable, to say the  

least!



David Maib

40559

flying

On Aug 25, 2009, at 9:58 PM, Linn Walters wrote:




<pitts_pilot(at)bellsouth.net>



Whic causes me to ask the question.  Would anyone miss the windshield  

post if the mod fairies visited???  And yes, I'm contemplating  

leaving mine out.  I hate stuff in the way of the 'view'.  I'm not  

interested in 'structural' comments, just whether it's used a lot and  

not a real big 'distraction', so no flames, please.

Linn



David Maib wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		   

 I find that we never use the grab handles. We always use the center  

 windshield post when adjusting seats or getting in and out of the  

 airplane. I do use the right hand one as a handy place to clip my  

 SPOT tracker.

 $.02 worth.

 David Maib

 40559

_________________
David Maib
RV-10 #40559
New Smyrna Beach, FL

billderou(at)yahoo.com
Guest

Posted: Wed Aug 26, 2009 9:18 am Post subject: Grab Handles

I use the windshield post many times during a flight. Its handy to ingress, steep turns, turbulence. The only time I use the glareshield handle is to adjust the seat forward. It should be reinforced for this purpose and creates a challenge when fabricating a glareshield. 

  

 Bill DeRouchey

 N939SB

 



--- On Tue, 8/25/09, Linn Walters <pitts_pilot(at)bellsouth.net> wrote:



  	  Quote: 	
		  

From: Linn Walters <pitts_pilot(at)bellsouth.net>

Subject: Re: Grab Handles

To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com

Date: Tuesday, August 25, 2009, 6:58 PM



 --> RV10-List message posted by: Linn Walters <pitts_pilot(at)bellsouth.net (pitts_pilot(at)bellsouth.net)>



Whic causes me to ask the question.  Would anyone miss the windshield post if the mod fairies visited???  And yes, I'm contemplating leaving mine out.  I hate stuff in the way of the 'view'.  I'm not interested in 'structural' comments, just whether it's used a lot and not a real big 'distraction', so no flames, please.

Linn



David Maib wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		   --> RV10-List message posted by: David Maib <dmaib(at)mac.com (dmaib(at)mac.com)>

 

 I find that we never use the grab handles. We always use the center windshield post when adjusting seats or getting in and out of the airplane. I do use the  right hand one as a handy place to clip my SPOT tracker.

 

 http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List" target=_blank>http://www.marums.matronics.com/" ;               -Matt Dralle, List Admin==========


	




	
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effectus(at)rogers.com
Guest

Posted: Sun Aug 30, 2009 6:01 am Post subject: Grab Handles

Michael,

 

 Attached are a couple of pictures that show the grab handle reinforcements I made for my plane. I took off the original doubler and copied it on the top out of .250 6061. I then bent it by hand to fit the contour of the cowl top. Once that was complete I made another "U" shaped piece that fit underneath. I then tapped the upper piece to accept 6-32 screws from the bottom.  This was a couple of days worth of work but I enjoy whittling things out of aluminum.

 

 Dave Hertner

 #40164

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