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Matt Dralle
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Joined: 08 Nov 2005
Posts: 26320
Location: Livermore CA USA

Posted: Fri Aug 28, 2009 10:13 am Post subject: Infighting and Childish Behavior On The List...

Kolb Listers,



You know, it really amazes me how the posts of one person can get everyone so riled up.  Geezes, its just email.  Just delete or ignore the posts of the person that bothers you.  Running off and starting a new list isn't the answer.  Anybody on the this List that posts inflammatory messages in one place is simply going to do it in another place.  Not allowing them to subscribe and moderating this list or some other new list are just bogus, over reactions to the situation.  



I haven't weighed in on this discussion until now because I am so displeased with all of the childish behavior of late.  Starting a new list is just more childish behavior in my opinion.  



Would you guys be happier if I read over each and every email message posted and decided whether it could possibly offend anyone and the decide to forward it to the List or not based on my person decision?  Really?  How egotistical and presumptuous of me that would be.  



Should I have just banned everyone that made a comment on this thread?  That wouldn't have left very many people on the forum.  



We don't need to fracture the content across multiple Lists.  That serves nobody well.  Let's just grow up and have adult conversations and put all this he-said, she-said BS to bed.



Matt Dralle

Matronics Email List Administrator

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capedavis(at)yahoo.com
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Posted: Fri Aug 28, 2009 11:08 am Post subject: Infighting and Childish Behavior On The List...

Matt , WELL PUT AND I AGREE 

 

Chris Davis

KXP 503 492 hrs

Glider Pilot

Disabled from crash building Firefly 



 

   From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>

To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com

Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 2:12:44 PM

Subject: Infighting and Childish Behavior On The List...



--> Kolb-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com (dralle(at)matronics.com)>



Kolb Listers,



You know, it really amazes me how the posts of one person can get everyone so riled up.  Geezes, its just email.  Just delete or ignore the posts of the person that bothers you.  Running off and starting a new list isn't the answer.  Anybody on the this List that posts inflammatory messages in one place is simply going to do it in another place.  Not allowing them  to subscribe and moderating this list or some other new list are just bogus, over reactions to the situation.  



I haven't weighed in on this discussion until now because I am so displeased with all of the childish behavior of late.  Starting a new list is just more childish behavior in my opinion.  



Would you guys be happier if I read over each and every email message posted and decided whether it could possibly offend anyone and the decide to forward it to the List or not based on my person decision?  Really?  How egotistical and presumptuous of me that would be.  



Should I have just banned everyone that made a comment on this thread?  That wouldn't have left very many people on the forum.  



We don't need to fracture the content across multiple Lists.  That serves nobody well.  Let's just grow up and have adult conversations and put all this he-said, she-said BS to  bed.



Matt Dralle

Matronics Email List Administrator 

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bill_joe(at)bellsouth.net
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Posted: Fri Aug 28, 2009 11:36 am Post subject: Infighting and Childish Behavior On The List...

Thank you Matt , you could have not said it better..I support you way 

of thinking.. Bill Futrell



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planecrazzzy
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Posted: Fri Aug 28, 2009 11:37 am Post subject: Re: Infighting and Childish Behavior On The List...

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russ(at)rkiphoto.com
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Posted: Fri Aug 28, 2009 12:59 pm Post subject: Infighting and Childish Behavior On The List...

Matt, well said.

VERY well said.

Thanx

Russ K



On Aug 28, 2009, at 2:12 PM, Matt Dralle wrote:



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 Kolb Listers,



 You know, it really amazes me how the posts of one person can get  

 everyone so riled up.  Geezes, its just email.  Just delete or  

 ignore the posts of the person that bothers you.  Running off and  

 starting a new list isn't the answer.  Anybody on the this List  

 that posts inflammatory messages in one place is simply going to do  

 it in another place.  Not allowing them to subscribe and moderating  

 this list or some other new list are just bogus, over reactions to  

 the situation.



 I haven't weighed in on this discussion until now because I am so  

 displeased with all of the childish behavior of late.  Starting a  

 new list is just more childish behavior in my opinion.



 Would you guys be happier if I read over each and every email  

 message posted and decided whether it could possibly offend anyone  

 and the decide to forward it to the List or not based on my person  

 decision?  Really?  How egotistical and presumptuous of me that  

 would be.



 Should I have just banned everyone that made a comment on this  

 thread?  That wouldn't have left very many people on the forum.



 We don't need to fracture the content across multiple Lists.  That  

 serves nobody well.  Let's just grow up and have adult  

 conversations and put all this he-said, she-said BS to bed.



 Matt Dralle

 Matronics Email List Administrator

JetPilot

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 1246

Posted: Fri Aug 28, 2009 2:30 pm Post subject: Re: Infighting and Childish Behavior On The List...

Matt,



You have been a very good list administrator for many years, which is a major reason Matronics forums has been so successful.  I apologize to have been involved in something that has made your job harder than it needs to be.  Matt spends a lot of his personal time maintaining a pretty complex and large list so that people like us can benefit, I hope everyone on this list can now honor what Matt asks of us.   I have a pretty short memory when it comes to these petty differences.  If we can put all this behind us I for one will not be looking for a problem with anyone here.    When it come down to it, if I Richard Pike, Russ, or any other member of this list ever needed my help, I would not hesitate to do so.    We should have no illusions that this will be easy or that true change happen by itself.  Eliminating these types of confrontations will take cooperation from everyone here.  Double standards and bitterness will have to be left in the past by ALL of us.   I hope we can make this work without the need for Matt or anyone impose it on us.



The last thing we want to do is to splinter the Kolb group.  We are to small already...  We have a great place here where everyone can get good information on their Kolbs, to splinter the group would only take away from that.   



Matt, the Kolb group is much more resilient than you think, its not going to be broken apart.   This is a great list, it works well, and with Matts very competent guidance it will prosper for a long time to come.



Mike

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Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S

jlsk1(at)frontiernet.net
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Posted: Fri Aug 28, 2009 2:58 pm Post subject: Infighting and Childish Behavior On The List...

Wow, Pretty bold & needed comment.

In my opinion, an apology to each member would go a long way, in addition to 

the apology to Matt.

Jim Kmet

Mk-3C

Cookeville, TN



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Blumax008(at)aol.com
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Posted: Fri Aug 28, 2009 4:17 pm Post subject: Infighting and Childish Behavior On The List...

I haven't left yet but will...I just wanted to leave you all with this  final fact. Did any of you ever notice that when I post an opinion...such as why  let everyone think this sport has to be so expensive when it doesn't have to  be...well, has anyone ever noticed that I never respond to any redicule from my  original post?

  

 I don't respond because I believe that everyone has an opinion...with me or  against me. It's their right to believe that it's necessary to go out & buy  an 80 or 100 dollar fuel filter when you can buy a perfectly good one for  $3.50...or a totally rediculous 2,000+ dollar BRS that is highly unlikely  they'll ever use.

  

 I've got along just fine for 30+ years & only God knows how many  thousands of hours without spending countless thousands of dollars on BS  I'll most likely never need or use. People reading this list & lists like  this one are thinking..."Hell, I can't afford this sport! It's almost as  expensive as owning an airplane!"

  

 And don't worry...I will "not" be moving to the new list.

  

 Thanks,

 Bill Catalina

 Tallahassee, FL

  

 

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ces308

Joined: 03 Nov 2008
Posts: 317
Location: houghton lake ,mi

Posted: Fri Aug 28, 2009 4:48 pm Post subject: Re: Infighting and Childish Behavior On The List...

This is really dumb.....When I see the bitching start,I go to another subject...end of story....why give anyone any fuel....this is the first and last I will say anything else on this subject....



chris ambrose

m3x/jab

slyck(at)frontiernet.net
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Posted: Fri Aug 28, 2009 5:17 pm Post subject: Infighting and Childish Behavior On The List...

Bill, as a fellow tightwad, I agree with your outlook.  Proof is my MkIII, bought as two wrecks and then cojoined, walmart garbage can panel cover,no parking sign panel, homemade nose cone, engine from an abandoned car, $10.00 carb, generic dacron, etc.

I didn't mention the negatives though, like the MSD timing retarder that wouldn't work unless you have MSD ignition, Mikuni carb (cheap on eBay)

and over $1000 in props.  -That part I don't mind, I like props 

There's still some good guys here.

BB



On 28, Aug 2009, at 8:11 PM, Blumax008(at)aol.com (Blumax008(at)aol.com) wrote:

[quote]  I haven't left yet but will...I just wanted to leave you all with this final fact. Did any of you ever notice that when I post an opinion...such as why let everyone think this sport has to be so expensive when it doesn't have to be...well, has anyone ever noticed that I never respond to any redicule from my original post?

  

 I don't respond because I believe that everyone has an opinion...with me or against me. It's their right to believe that it's necessary to go out & buy an 80 or 100 dollar fuel filter when you can buy a perfectly good one for $3.50...or a totally rediculous 2,000+ dollar BRS that is highly unlikely they'll ever use.

  

 I've got along just fine for 30+ years & only God knows how many thousands of hours without spending countless thousands of dollars on BS I'll most likely never need or use. People reading this list & lists like this one are thinking..."Hell, I can't afford this sport! It's almost as expensive as owning an airplane!"

  

 And don't worry...I will "not" be moving to the new list.

  

 Thanks,

 Bill Catalina

 Tallahassee, FL

  



 

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