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jchang10

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Posted: Tue Sep 01, 2009 9:04 am Post subject: IO-540 Hose kit -possible group buy - Updated pricing

I was looking at the Firewall Forward kit and was looking at what modifications people made in the past.

 

 The hose kit is really really confusing. Prices are all over the map. As far as I see, Van's prices have been sharply reduced. Aircrafthose.com's prices have been sharply increased since William Curtis's email below - just 20 days ago. Are hoses tied to the stock market indices to explain the volatility?

 

 I called aircrafthose.com today and these are the prices quoted to me.

 $596 for 7 hoses

 $556 without VA-119

 

 Hmm, that's interesting. Okay, let me check Van's prices. This is from their online catalog:

 

                PART NUMBER       TYPE OF LINE       LENGTH &

 DIAMETER       PRICE       Qty       Shopping Cart                        VA-119       MANIFOLD PRESSURE       21.50"x1/4"       $17.00                                      VA-102       FUEL PRESSURE       15.50"x1/4"       $15.50                                      VA-133       OIL PRESSURE       27.25"x1/4"       $18.25                                      VA-135       OIL COOLER       16.50"x1/2"       $64.40                                      VA-190       OIL COOLER       27.00"x1/2"       $97.65                                      VA-138       FUEL SUPPLY       14.00"x3/8"       $63.30                                      VA-189       FUEL LINE IO-540       25.50"x3/8"       $100.50                        

 Van's total is now only $376 from $545 in William's email below. Thus, it's now much less of an easy decision. Are the upgraded hoses worth paying 50% more than Van's prices?

 

 Also, aircrafthose.com told me only 1 buyer in August and previously a buyer in May for the rv-10 hoses, so not many people went this route it seems.

 

 FYI,

 Jae

 40533

 

 W. Curtis wrote: [quote]RV-10 builders nearing Firewall Forward or engine planning stage. Having not ordered the Firewall Forward kit yet and just planning ahead, I've looked at the plans and determined the following hoses are required for the IO-540 installation:

   

 VA-119 IE VMP HOSE (AN4, 21.5, AIR) $ 34.60

 VA-102 FUEL PRES. HOSE (AN4, 15.5, FUEL) $ 58.20

 VA-133 OIL PRESS HOSE (AN4, 27.25, OIL) $ 69.00

 VA-138 FUEL SUPPLY HOSE (AN6, 14.0, FUEL) $ 69.65

 VA-189 FUEL LINE IO-540 (AN6, 25.5, FUEL) $153.45

 VA-135 OIL COOLER HOSE (AN8, 16.5, OIL) $ 66.85 

 VA-190 OIL COOLER HOSE (AN8, 27.0, OIL) $ 95.65

   

 I'm not sure but I think the only Van's hose that is Teflon with the integral firesleeve are the VA-138 and VA-189 hoses. I requested a quote from Aircraft Hose (http://www.aircrafthose.com) for the above hoses ALL Teflon with integral firesleeve except the (VA-119) MAP Hose. They came back with and initial price of $491 for the set. The Van's price for the set of hoses (not all Teflon with integral firesleeve) is about $545. I've asked them if they could offer a greater discount if we could arrange a group buy. I haven't heard back from them yet but wanted to get you thinking.

   

 Here are the specifics.

 Stratoflex Integral Firesleeve Hoses for RV-10

 111-4 hose with a 300-4D fitting 21.50" Long (111001-4CR0214) (IO-540 Man Press.)

 124-4J hose with a 524-4CR fitting 15.50" Long (124J001-4CR0154) (IO-540 Fuel Press.)

 124-4J hose with a 524-4CR fitting 27.25" Long (124J001-4CR0272) (IO-540 Oil Press.)

 124-6J hose with a 524-6CR fitting 14.00" Long (124J001-6CR0140) (IO-540 Fuel Supply)

 124-6J hose with a 524-6CR fitting 25.50" Long (124J001-6CR0254) (IO-540 Fuel Line)

 124-8J hose with a 524-8CR fitting 16.50" Long (124J001-8CR0164) (Oil cooler)

 124-8J hose with a 524-8CR fitting 27.00" Long (124J001-8CR0270) (Oil cooler)

   

 Hose with Integral firesleeve

   http://www.aircrafthose.com/images/pic1248j.jpg

   

 Hose with external firesleeve

   http://www.aircrafthose.com/images/pic2650c.jpg

   

 William Curtis

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Posted: Tue Sep 01, 2009 9:55 am Post subject: IO-540 Hose kit -possible group buy - Updated pricing

Or you can make your own, it isn't that hard and it's even cheaper!!!



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On Sep 1, 2009, at 12:57 PM, Jae Chang <jc-matronics_rv10(at)jline.com (jc-matronics_rv10(at)jline.com)> wrote:



[quote]  I was looking at the Firewall Forward kit and was looking at what modifications people made in the past.

 

 The hose kit is really really confusing. Prices are all over the map. As far as I see, Van's prices have been sharply reduced. Aircrafthose.com's prices have been sharply increased since William Curtis's email below - just 20 days ago. Are hoses tied to the stock market indices to explain the volatility?

 

 I called aircrafthose.com today and these are the prices quoted to me.

 $596 for 7 hoses

 $556 without VA-119

 

 Hmm, that's interesting. Okay, let me check Van's prices. This is from their online catalog:

 

                PART NUMBER       TYPE OF LINE       LENGTH &

 DIAMETER       PRICE       Qty       Shopping Cart                        VA-119       MANIFOLD PRESSURE       21.50"x1/4"       $17.00                                      VA-102       FUEL PRESSURE       15.50"x1/4"       $15.50                                      VA-133       OIL PRESSURE       27.25"x1/4"       $18.25                                      VA-135       OIL COOLER       16.50"x1/2"       $64.40                                      VA-190       OIL COOLER       27.00"x1/2"       $97.65                                      VA-138       FUEL SUPPLY       14.00"x3/8"       $63.30                                      VA-189       FUEL LINE IO-540       25.50"x3/8"       $100.50                        

 Van's total is now only $376 from $545 in William's email below. Thus, it's now much less of an easy decision. Are the upgraded hoses worth paying 50% more than Van's prices?

 

 Also, aircrafthose.com told me only 1 buyer in August and previously a buyer in May for the rv-10 hoses, so not many people went this route it seems.

 

 FYI,

 Jae

 40533

 

 W. Curtis wrote:  	  Quote: 	
		  RV-10 builders nearing Firewall Forward or engine planning stage. Having not ordered the Firewall Forward kit yet and just planning ahead, I've looked at the plans and determined the following hoses are required for the IO-540 installation:

   

 VA-119 IE VMP HOSE (AN4, 21.5, AIR) $ 34.60

 VA-102 FUEL PRES. HOSE (AN4, 15.5, FUEL) $ 58.20

 VA-133 OIL PRESS HOSE (AN4, 27.25, OIL) $ 69.00

 VA-138 FUEL SUPPLY HOSE (AN6, 14.0, FUEL) $ 69.65

 VA-189 FUEL LINE IO-540 (AN6, 25.5, FUEL) $153.45

 VA-135 OIL COOLER HOSE (AN8, 16.5, OIL) $ 66.85 

 VA-190 OIL COOLER HOSE (AN8, 27.0, OIL) $ 95.65

   

 I'm not sure but I think the only Van's hose that is Teflon with the integral firesleeve are the VA-138 and VA-189 hoses. I requested a quote from Aircraft Hose (http://www.aircrafthose.com) for the above hoses ALL Teflon with integral firesleeve except the (VA-119) MAP Hose. They came back with and initial price of $491 for the set. The Van's price for the set of hoses (not all Teflon with integral firesleeve) is about $545. I've asked them if they could offer a greater discount if we could arrange a group buy. I haven't heard back from them yet but wanted to get you thinking.

   

 Here are the specifics.

 Stratoflex Integral Firesleeve Hoses for RV-10

 111-4 hose with a 300-4D fitting 21.50" Long (111001-4CR0214) (IO-540 Man Press.)

 124-4J hose with a 524-4CR fitting 15.50" Long (124J001-4CR0154) (IO-540 Fuel Press.)

 124-4J hose with a 524-4CR fitting 27.25" Long (124J001-4CR0272) (IO-540 Oil Press.)

 124-6J hose with a 524-6CR fitting 14.00" Long (124J001-6CR0140) (IO-540 Fuel Supply)

 124-6J hose with a 524-6CR fitting 25.50" Long (124J001-6CR0254) (IO-540 Fuel Line)

 124-8J hose with a 524-8CR fitting 16.50" Long (124J001-8CR0164) (Oil cooler)

 124-8J hose with a 524-8CR fitting 27.00" Long (124J001-8CR0270) (Oil cooler)

   

 Hose with Integral firesleeve

   http://www.aircrafthose.com/images/pic1248j.jpg

   

 Hose with external firesleeve

   http://www.aircrafthose.com/images/pic2650c.jpg

   

 William Curtis

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Posted: Tue Sep 01, 2009 10:26 am Post subject: IO-540 Hose kit -possible group buy - Updated pricing

William's quote is from a couple of years ago.

  There are firesleeves on all the the aircrafthose and  not all of the Van's ones. You'll need to look at the price and add the price  for a firesleeve, should you opt to go that route. Van's has these exact hoses  on their demo planes.

 Pascal

  



  From: Jae Chang (jc-matronics_rv10(at)jline.com) 

 Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 2009 9:57 AM

 To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com (rv10-list(at)matronics.com) 

 Subject: Re: IO-540 Hose kit -possible group buy -  Updated pricing

 



I was looking at the Firewall Forward kit and was looking at what  modifications people made in the past.



The hose kit is really really  confusing. Prices are all over the map. As far as I see, Van's prices have been  sharply reduced. Aircrafthose.com's prices have been sharply increased since  William Curtis's email below - just 20 days ago. Are hoses tied to the stock  market indices to explain the volatility?



I called aircrafthose.com today  and these are the prices quoted to me.

$596 for 7 hoses

$556 without  VA-119



Hmm, that's interesting. Okay, let me check Van's prices. This is  from their online catalog:



            PART NUMBER     TYPE OF LINE     LENGTH &

DIAMETER     PRICE     Qty     Shopping Cart             VA-119     MANIFOLD PRESSURE     21.50"x1/4"     $17.00                        VA-102     FUEL PRESSURE     15.50"x1/4"     $15.50                        VA-133     OIL PRESSURE     27.25"x1/4"     $18.25                        VA-135     OIL COOLER     16.50"x1/2"     $64.40                        VA-190     OIL COOLER     27.00"x1/2"     $97.65                        VA-138     FUEL SUPPLY     14.00"x3/8"     $63.30                        VA-189     FUEL LINE IO-540     25.50"x3/8"     $100.50           

Van's total is now  only $376 from $545 in William's email below. Thus, it's now much less of an  easy decision. Are the upgraded hoses worth paying 50% more than Van's  prices?



Also, aircrafthose.com told me only 1 buyer in August and  previously a buyer in May for the rv-10 hoses, so not many people went this  route it seems.



FYI,

Jae

40533



W. Curtis wrote:  [quote]RV-10 builders nearing Firewall Forward or engine planning stage.    Having not ordered the Firewall Forward kit yet and just planning ahead, I've    looked at the plans and determined the following hoses are required for the    IO-540 installation:



VA-119 IE VMP HOSE (AN4, 21.5, AIR) $    34.60

VA-102 FUEL PRES. HOSE (AN4, 15.5, FUEL) $ 58.20

VA-133 OIL PRESS    HOSE (AN4, 27.25, OIL) $ 69.00

VA-138 FUEL SUPPLY HOSE (AN6, 14.0, FUEL) $    69.65

VA-189 FUEL LINE IO-540 (AN6, 25.5, FUEL) $153.45

VA-135 OIL    COOLER HOSE (AN8, 16.5, OIL) $ 66.85 

VA-190 OIL COOLER HOSE (AN8, 27.0,    OIL) $ 95.65



I'm not sure but I think the only Van's hose that is    Teflon with the integral firesleeve are the VA-138 and VA-189 hoses. I    requested a quote from Aircraft Hose (http://www.aircrafthose.com) for the    above hoses ALL Teflon with integral firesleeve except the (VA-119) MAP Hose.    They came back with and initial price of $491 for the set. The Van's price for    the set of hoses (not all Teflon with integral firesleeve) is about $545. I've    asked them if they could offer a greater discount if we could arrange a group    buy. I haven't heard back from them yet but wanted to get you    thinking.



Here are the specifics.

Stratoflex Integral Firesleeve    Hoses for RV-10

111-4 hose with a 300-4D fitting 21.50" Long    (111001-4CR0214) (IO-540 Man Press.)

124-4J hose with a 524-4CR fitting    15.50" Long (124J001-4CR0154) (IO-540 Fuel Press.)

124-4J hose with a    524-4CR fitting 27.25" Long (124J001-4CR0272) (IO-540 Oil Press.)

124-6J    hose with a 524-6CR fitting 14.00" Long (124J001-6CR0140) (IO-540 Fuel    Supply)

124-6J hose with a 524-6CR fitting 25.50" Long (124J001-6CR0254)    (IO-540 Fuel Line)

124-8J hose with a 524-8CR fitting 16.50" Long    (124J001-8CR0164) (Oil cooler)

124-8J hose with a 524-8CR fitting 27.00"    Long (124J001-8CR0270) (Oil cooler)



Hose with Integral firesleeve

http://www.aircrafthose.com/images/pic1248j.jpg



Hose    with external firesleeve

http://www.aircrafthose.com/images/pic2650c.jpg



William    Curtis

http://nerv10.com/ 



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Posted: Tue Sep 01, 2009 12:00 pm Post subject: Re: IO-540 Hose kit -possible group buy - Updated pricing

I was the guy who bought the hose kit from aircrafthose on May 6th:



111417-4S0214           21.50"    111-4 hose with a 300-4D fittings

124J001-4CR0154      15.50"    124-4J hose with 524-4CR fittings

124J001-4CR0272      27.25"    124-4J hose with 524-4CR fittings

124J001-6CR0140      14.00"    124-6J hose with 524-6CR fittings

124J002-6CR0254      25.50"    124-6J hose with one 524-6CR fitting and one 528-6CR fitting

124J001-8CR0164      16.50"     124-8J hose with 524-8CR fittings Oil cooler 

124J001-8CR0270       27.00"     124-8J hose with 524-8CR fittings Oil cooler



Price was $596.37



William, thanks again for posting the hose info on your site!



Lenny

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Posted: Tue Sep 01, 2009 1:23 pm Post subject: IO-540 Hose kit -possible group buy - Updated pricing

You are right. For some reason I thought William's email was just 20 

days ago, but actually, it was 20 days + 3 years ago. My bad! I think 

i'll just stick with Van's now cheaper hoses.



Amazing, i think it's the only aviation part I have come across that has 

seen price deflation.



Jae



Pascal wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		   William's quote is from a couple of years ago.

  There are firesleeves on all the the aircrafthose and not all of the 

 Van's ones. You'll need to look at the price and add the price for a 

 firesleeve, should you opt to go that route. Van's has these exact 

 hoses on their demo planes.

 Pascal



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Posted: Tue Sep 01, 2009 2:09 pm Post subject: IO-540 Hose kit -possible group buy - Updated pricing

Yes, but you will replace those hoses from Vans at least twice as

often as they are just Aeroquip 303 or equivalent. You won't have as

much firesleeve protection. IMHO, all fuel and oil hoses forward of

firewall should be firesleeved. It is much more difficult to add after

the fittings have been installed. Your choice.

On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 11:48 AM, Jae Chang<jc-matronics_rv10(at)jline.com> wrote:

 	  Quote: 	

 You are right. For some reason I thought William's email was just 20 days

 ago, but actually, it was 20 days + 3 years ago. My bad! I think i'll just

 stick with Van's now cheaper hoses.

 Amazing, i think it's the only aviation part I have come across that has

 seen price deflation.

 Jae

 Pascal wrote:

>

> William's quote is from a couple of years ago.

>  There are firesleeves on all the the aircrafthose and not all of the

> Van's ones. You'll need to look at the price and add the price for a

> firesleeve, should you opt to go that route. Van's has these exact hoses on

> their demo planes.

> Pascal

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Posted: Sun Jan 09, 2011 3:27 pm Post subject: Re: IO-540 Hose kit -possible group buy - Updated pricing

I just got the following quotes:



Aircrafthoses.com



Our kit contains 7 hoses. Your price in orange pull over firesleeve would be $504.76. Your price for brown molded firesleeve would be $619.53.



TSFLightlines.com



Stainless braided Teflon hose, Stainless hose ends, Fire sleeved, Pressure Tested to 3000 psi - $389



Van's - $379.30

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Posted: Mon Jan 10, 2011 9:52 am Post subject: Re: IO-540 Hose kit -possible group buy - Updated pricing

Bob,

Did you ask for a quote from Bonaco?  Just curious as to how their prices compare.



Also, are the prices for the TSFlightline stuff for integral firesleeve (the 124J brown hoses) or the pullover orange type like Van's sells?  I ask because I want to be able to compare apples to apples as far as pricing goes.



Thanks!

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Posted: Mon Jan 10, 2011 12:01 pm Post subject: IO-540 Hose kit -possible group buy - Updated pricing

No I haven't talked to bonaco yet.



The tsflightline hoses are not the integral firesleeve, but do have stainless ends as oppose to aluminum



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On Jan 10, 2011, at 12:52 PM, "tsts4" <tsts4(at)verizon.net> wrote:



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 Bob,

 Did you ask for a quote from Bonaco?  Just curious as to how their prices compare.

 

 Also, are the prices for the TSFlightline stuff for integral firesleeve (the 124J brown hoses) or the pullover orange type like Van's sells?  I ask because I want to be able to compare apples to apples as far as pricing goes.

 

 Thanks!

 

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