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Mitch Hodges

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 45
Location: Powder Springs, GA

Posted: Fri Sep 04, 2009 7:11 am Post subject: Re: Signed off to Solo the Sabrina Mark 1 !!!

 	  Sabrina wrote: 	
		  Again, my fault, not theirs. ...  

	




Reminds me of my two favorite DMV stories.  



When I went to get my license after moving to Florida, I had to wait in a queue for about an hour as others took their drivers test.  You had to get in your car, go through a gate to the test area.  Literally 50% of the 10 or so I saw in that period went through the gate, and drove straight out the other side having failed.  I found out why when I (successfully) took my test.  The tester said "Once you are ready, go straight through the gate, make an immediate left, and start the course.  Remember to obey all traffic signs".  Problem was, there was a stop sign (and not a small one) on the fence next to the gate.  Those that failed took the instructions literally and did not stop at the stop sign, resulting in an automatic failure.



A similar thing happened to my oldest son when he took his test in Georgia.  He was asked to go forward, turn left, and enter the course.  He made the left, and had not gone 10 feet when he was stopped as failed.  Turns out, when he made the left turn he did not stay to the "right lane" on the parking lot lane, that was NOT marked as a two lane road.



What did I learn from this?  When I went to get my motorcycle license in Georgia, I went through the MSF course instead (despite having ridden for 20 years) just to avoid the DMV line/test.  Plus, as with aviation, recurrent training is never wasted money.

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Posted: Fri Sep 04, 2009 7:50 am Post subject: Signed off to Solo the Sabrina Mark 1 !!!

Hi Sabrina,



I agree with you that the NTSB report has saved lives.  However, my 

reason for believing that is merely that many XL flights didn't take 

place because of the report.  It is really hard to get killed in a 

grounded plane.  I am not aware of any reasonable statistics about 

how many XLs were grounded and how many kept flying, but my sense 

from emails and other data sources is that most of them have been 

collecting dust.



My logic leads to the conclusion that as XL flying hours increase 

with the LAA action and soon to be released stuff from Chris the 

accidents either will or will not continue.  It is only when many are 

flying again that the logic of no accident means no problem applies.



I disagree with you about the FAA.  I believe they have dropped the 

entire subject.  They cannot make experimental airplane owners do 

much of anything, and even if they do have some power they don't have 

any motivation.  As before, each of us must make our own decision 

about operating our planes safely.  We  should not expect any help 

from the nanny state in this area.



Paul

XL awaiting engineering changes

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At 07:39 AM 9/4/2009, you wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		  Like the NTSB report, although I disagree with it, I really believe 

the report itself has saved lives.    The odds are, if it were a 

design flaw, we should have had another crash by now.    The longer 

we go without another structural failure, the more likely it is 

pilot error.   That is probably what the FAA will do--make us all 

get together with someone like Jay and go through an R22 type 

training class.   It may just be ground school.

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naumuk(at)windstream.net
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Posted: Fri Sep 04, 2009 8:22 am Post subject: Signed off to Solo the Sabrina Mark 1 !!!

Sabrina-

    Maybe your Harley, the DMV, and that little guy in the back of your head 

are all saying the same thing- you own too big a bike. At one time I owned a 

'Glide, but it was too heavy to really enjoy riding, so I scaled back a bit. 

I'm sure you're intelligent enough to realize that one size doesn't fit all. 

Find something that fits you rather than fights you, although I'm sure you 

can do better than a 200cc Honda!

                                                                             

                    Bill

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 	  Quote: 	
		   I will have to practice with the Harley over the next 88 days, or buy an 

 inexpensive Honda CB200 or something like that to pass the test with...

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sabrina

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Posted: Fri Sep 04, 2009 9:05 am Post subject: Re: Signed off to Solo the Sabrina Mark 1 !!!

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tonyplane(at)bellsouth.ne
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Posted: Fri Sep 04, 2009 9:12 pm Post subject: Signed off to Solo the Sabrina Mark 1 !!!

Jay,

I believe you and any other pilot who has been trained properly could get 

into the XL and fly it safely the first time- just my opinion.

Just as you can safely fly wearing combat boots and heavy gloves, because 

you fly (at least I do) by sight, feel and gauges. (Instrument flying 

excepted, but even then, you still just apply the only the control forces 

and power settings to make the "gauges" agree with what you want.)

On my XLs maiden flight, never have flown an XL (except for a brief factory 

demo flight during which I was not permitted to take off nor land, nor 

stall*), I expected it to lift off, but when at about 65 kts it was still 

going straight down the runway, I lifted the nose to a slight pitch up and 

really enjoyed the flight and first landing..  Yes the pitch forces are 

light, but not unstable.  Easy to get used to.

I consider the XL easy to fly and a forgiving airplane - just keep the Gs 

down to less than three, do not ham fist the stick in pitch, ride out any 

turbulence, on approach be prepared to add energy and watch your sink rate 

on landing.

    *During a RANS S6S factory demo flight I was permitted to do the take 

off, wring out the airplane, do full stalls, do touch and goes and land to a 

full stop.  I still liked the XL better.

Tony Graziano

XL/Jab; N493TG; 526 hrs  and about 1190 landings in my XL

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bryanmmartin

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 1018

Posted: Fri Sep 04, 2009 10:42 pm Post subject: Signed off to Solo the Sabrina Mark 1 !!!

I have to agree with you Tony. I had no experience in the XL prior to  

test flying my Zodiac. I did have a few hundred hours in various  

Cessna singles and I did fly several hours to get current before my  

test flights. I did not find the first flights difficult in my zodiac.  

I did a few crow hops first to get some feel for the handling of the  

airplane close to the ground before the first real flight. The  

controls are light, but are not hard to get used to. There were no  

major surprizes on the first flight.



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 Jay,

 I believe you and any other pilot who has been trained properly  

 could get into the XL and fly it safely the first time- just my  

 opinion.

 Just as you can safely fly wearing combat boots and heavy gloves,  

 because you fly (at least I do) by sight, feel and gauges. ...


	




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N61BM, CH 601 XL,

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leo.gates

Joined: 29 Nov 2008
Posts: 35

Posted: Sat Sep 05, 2009 12:51 am Post subject: Signed off to Solo the Sabrina Mark 1 !!!

My DMV experience:  In 1957 - just a few years ago for me - I was 

assigned by the Air Force to California.  I decided to get a California 

drivers license since I would be there a few years.  I had a 1957 

Pontiac convertible that I had installed seat belts in.  The inspector, 

a gray haired old guy about my present age, got in but refused to use 

the passenger seat belt.  I buckled mine.  I got a perfect score on the 

test, but lost one point for using dangerous unauthorized equipment - 

seat belts.  Time and thinking changes,



Leo Gates

N601Z, CH601HDS TDO



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Sabrina wrote:

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 Lucky I did not hold off my first solo flight until after I passed the M test---I failed!



 I could not get around the cones with the 883 even at home, so I did not try that.



 They would not let me use my 125cc bored out to 150cc Honda CB since it was registered as a "less than 150cc" bike.



 So I rented a Honda 150 Elite.

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Posted: Mon Sep 07, 2009 11:54 am Post subject: Signed off to Solo the Sabrina Mark 1 !!!

Paul,  

  

 I don't see where you have any logic. You don't even understand what people are writing.

  

 I doubt there are three XL's beside your ac that are "collecting dust".

  

 Roger  N20RB 

 (soon to be flying)



--- On Fri, 9/4/09, Paul Mulwitz <psm(at)att.net> wrote:



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From: Paul Mulwitz <psm(at)att.net>

Subject: Re: Re: Signed off to Solo the Sabrina Mark 1 !!!

To: zenith-list(at)matronics.com

Date: Friday, September 4, 2009, 11:48 AM



 --> Zenith-List message posted by: Paul Mulwitz <psm(at)att.net (psm(at)att.net)>



Hi Sabrina,



I agree with you that the NTSB report has saved lives.  However, my reason for believing that is merely that many XL flights didn't take place because of the report.  It is really hard to get killed in a grounded plane.  I am not aware of any reasonable statistics about how many XLs were grounded and how many kept flying, but my sense from emails and other data sources is that most of them have been collecting dust.



My logic leads to the conclusion that as XL flying hours increase with the LAA action and soon to be released stuff from Chris the accidents either will or will not continue.  It is only when many are flying again that the logic of no accident means no problem applies.



I disagree with you about  the FAA.  I believe they have dropped the entire subject.  They cannot make experimental airplane owners do much of anything, and even if they do have some power they don't have any motivation.  As before, each of us must make our own decision about operating our planes safely.  We  should not expect any help from the nanny state in this area.



Paul

XL awaiting engineering changes

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At 07:39 AM 9/4/2009, you wrote:

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