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tfisher(at)commandergroup
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Posted: Fri Sep 04, 2009 12:34 pm Post subject: Want to purchase a 680FLP (Mr.RPM)

There is a change all right.

  

 C-GISS (680FLP (Mr.RPM)) is no more, total hydraulic  failure in the starboard brake line, landed by the numbers without flaps, brakes  or steering, ended up careening across a ditch which bent the main spar and tore  off the right main landing gear and skidded to a stop on the right side of the  belly.

 My insurance company will be offering it up for sale  "where is, as is".

  

 Does anyone know of a 680FLP (Mr.RPM) available for  sale?

  

 Tom Fisher

 formally C-GISS

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BertBerry1(at)aol.com
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Posted: Fri Sep 04, 2009 3:17 pm Post subject: Want to purchase a 680FLP (Mr.RPM)

Hey Tom,

  

 Sorry to hear about your loss, glad your ok.

  

 Bert

  

  In a message dated 9/4/2009 3:34:31 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca writes:

 [quote]   There is a change all right.

    

   C-GISS (680FLP (Mr.RPM)) is no more, total hydraulic    failure in the starboard brake line, landed by the numbers without flaps,    brakes or steering, ended up careening across a ditch which bent the main spar    and tore off the right main landing gear and skidded to a stop on the right    side of the belly.

   My insurance company will be offering it up for sale    "where is, as is".

    

   Does anyone know of a 680FLP (Mr.RPM) available for    sale?

    

   Tom Fisher

   formally C-GISS

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tfisher(at)commandergroup
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Posted: Fri Sep 04, 2009 3:31 pm Post subject: Want to purchase a 680FLP (Mr.RPM)

Thanks Bert, damaged shines because of the instrument  panel for both pilots

 passenger behind co-pilot bruised arm from window  ledge.

 Tom.

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BertBerry1(at)aol.com
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Posted: Fri Sep 04, 2009 3:48 pm Post subject: Want to purchase a 680FLP (Mr.RPM)

That is a shame, I know you put a lot of time and hard work into that  plane.  But, thanks to a lot of good people, there is another waiting for  you out there somewhere!!!

  

  In a message dated 9/4/2009 6:31:47 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca writes:

 [quote]   Thanks Bert, damaged shines because of the instrument    panel for both pilots

   passenger behind co-pilot bruised arm from window    ledge.

   Tom.

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budplaster(at)aol.com
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Posted: Fri Sep 04, 2009 3:48 pm Post subject: Want to purchase a 680FLP (Mr.RPM)

I AM PREPARING TO SELL MY 685 WHICH MAY BE THE ONE WITH THE LOWEST 

TIMES-----TT 2100 HRS, ENGINES 125 HRS. AND LOWEST PRICE...$200,000. 

FIRM.  IF INTERESTED, I WILL SEND YOU A COMPLETE SPECIFICATION SHEET 

AND PHOTOGRAPHS.



BUDDY PLASTER

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andrew.bridget(at)telus.n
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Posted: Fri Sep 04, 2009 4:17 pm Post subject: Want to purchase a 680FLP (Mr.RPM)

Oh, Jeepers, Tom. I'm so sorry to hear that. I hope  you're OK.

  

 Andrew

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tfisher(at)commandergroup
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Posted: Fri Sep 04, 2009 4:35 pm Post subject: Want to purchase a 680FLP (Mr.RPM)

Thanks Buddy, I am old friends with the 680FLP but I should keep my mind 

open to different models, I would like too peruse the data.



Tom.

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wjrhamilton(at)optusnet.c
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Posted: Fri Sep 04, 2009 8:51 pm Post subject: Want to purchase a 680FLP (Mr.RPM)

Tom,

 Right now there is one on eBay item #180402519493

 Current price about 100k less than first listing.

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 Cheers,

 Bill Hamilton

 

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 andrew.bridget(at)telus.net (andrew.bridget(at)telus.net) wrote: [quote]            Oh, Jeepers, Tom. I'm so sorry to hear that. I hope you're OK.

    

   Andrew

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		       ----- Original Message ----- 

     From:     Tom Fisher (tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca) 

     To:     commander-list(at)matronics.com (commander-list(at)matronics.com)     

     Sent: Friday, September 04, 2009 1:33 PM

     Subject: Want to purchase a 680FLP (Mr.RPM)

     

     

     There is a change all right.

      

     C-GISS (680FLP (Mr.RPM)) is no more, total hydraulic failure in the starboard brake line, landed by the numbers without flaps, brakes or steering, ended up careening across a ditch which bent the main spar and tore off the right main landing gear and skidded to a stop on the right side of the belly.

     My insurance company will be offering it up for sale "where is, as is".

      

     Does anyone know of a 680FLP (Mr.RPM) available for sale?

      

     Tom Fisher

     formally C-GISS

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       Sent: Friday, September 04, 2009 9:47 AM

       Subject: TCFG Directory

       

       

       Hi TCFG members, 

        

       We're working on this year's Membership and Vendor Directory and would appreciate it if you would let us know of any changes to your personal information or additions/changes to the Vendor listing. 

        

       Looking forward to the Fly-In.  What a special treat to have Hoover attend our awards Banquet.  See ya in a couple of weeks.  

        

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nico(at)cybersuperstore.c
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Posted: Fri Sep 04, 2009 9:27 pm Post subject: Want to purchase a 680FLP (Mr.RPM)

Hi Tom.



Sorry about the loss. This is the second one you lost, right? The first was

a lot more traumatic if I remember correctly. 

However, I had a similar situation in my 500, but, fortunately, there were

very wide "side burns" on the runway and I managed to roll to a stop in the

rough without any other damage than the broken hydraulic lines.



Hope to see you in Carson City.



Nico

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dfalik(at)sbcglobal.net
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Posted: Sat Sep 05, 2009 11:04 am Post subject: Want to purchase a 680FLP (Mr.RPM)

I still have my 1970 500S for sale and after a $24K annual it is even better shape that previously.  The previous annual was $14K so I was surprised at the last annual.  

  

 Don



 

   From: "budplaster(at)aol.com" <budplaster(at)aol.com>

To: commander-list(at)matronics.com

Sent: Friday, September 4, 2009 7:30:40 PM

Subject: Re: Want to purchase a 680FLP (Mr.RPM)



--> Commander-List message posted by: budplaster(at)aol.com (budplaster(at)aol.com)



I AM PREPARING TO SELL MY 685 WHICH MAY BE THE ONE WITH THE LOWEST TIMES-----TT 2100 HRS, ENGINES 125 HRS. AND LOWEST PRICE...$200,000. FIRM.  IF INTERESTED, I WILL SEND YOU A COMPLETE SPECIFICATION SHEET AND PHOTOGRAPHS.



BUDDY PLASTER

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yourtcfg(at)aol.com
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Posted: Sat Sep 05, 2009 3:01 pm Post subject: Want to purchase a 680FLP (Mr.RPM)

Tom  I am sorry to hear of your loss but glad you were not injured!!   Hope you find anouther Commander soon. THIS SHOULD BE A REMINDER TO ALL THE FLAT NACELLED COMMANDER DRIVERS.  NEVER LEAVE THE GROUND WITH THE AUX HYD PUMP CIRCUIT BREAKER IN, NEVER, EVER!!!   jb

 

 

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white_rhino_ps(at)yahoo.c
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Posted: Sat Sep 05, 2009 3:58 pm Post subject: Want to purchase a 680FLP (Mr.RPM)

<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN">   Sorry, just a dumb question.  Would it have mattered with a ruptured line.  Or is the point he would have had a few seconds worth of flap or left brake before the emergency supply pumped out the remaining fluid. Craig

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From:  yourtcfg(at)aol.com

Date: Sat, 05 Sep 2009 18:56:56 -0400

To: <commander-list(at)matronics.com>

Subject: Re: Commander-List: Want to purchase a 680FLP (Mr.RPM)

Tom  I am sorry to hear of your loss but glad you were not injured!!   Hope you find anouther Commander soon. THIS SHOULD BE A REMINDER TO ALL THE FLAT NACELLED COMMANDER DRIVERS.  NEVER LEAVE THE GROUND WITH THE AUX HYD PUMP CIRCUIT BREAKER IN, NEVER, EVER!!!   jb

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tfisher(at)commandergroup
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Posted: Sat Sep 05, 2009 4:54 pm Post subject: Want to purchase a 680FLP (Mr.RPM)

Thanks Nico, I will be unable to attend Carson city especially now!

Tom.

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tfisher(at)commandergroup
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Posted: Sat Sep 05, 2009 4:57 pm Post subject: Want to purchase a 680FLP (Mr.RPM)

The break was in the last flex line on the way to the  Cleveland brakes.

 Tom.

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amg3636(at)hotmail.com
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Posted: Sat Sep 05, 2009 5:21 pm Post subject: Want to purchase a 680FLP (Mr.RPM)

Nico C

  

 Can you elaborate on your incident with your 500? I have a 500 and would be interested to know the problem.

  

 Thanks in advance C

  

 Roland Gilliam

 

[quote] From: tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca

 To: commander-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: Re: Commander-List: Want to purchase a 680FLP (Mr.RPM)

 Date: Sat C 5 Sep 2009 17:54:16 -0700

 

 --> Commander-List message posted by: "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca>

 

 Thanks Nico C I will be unable to attend Carson city especially now!

 Tom.

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aquadiver99(at)yahoo.com
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Posted: Sat Sep 05, 2009 6:22 pm Post subject: Want to purchase a 680FLP (Mr.RPM)

the flex line is connected directly to the caliper piston causing immediate failure

 

 Donnie Rose 

205/492-8444

  

 



 

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To: commander-list(at)matronics.com

Sent: Saturday, September 5, 2009 6:58:36 PM

Subject: Re: Want to purchase a 680FLP (Mr.RPM)



Sorry, just a dumb question. Would it have mattered with a ruptured line. Or is the point he would have had a few seconds worth of flap or left brake before the emergency supply pumped out the remaining fluid. 



Craig 

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Date: Sat, 05 Sep 2009 18:56:56 -0400

To: <commander-list(at)matronics.com>

Subject: Re: Want to purchase a 680FLP (Mr.RPM)

 

Tom  I am sorry to hear of your loss but glad you were not injured!!   Hope you find anouther Commander soon. THIS SHOULD BE A REMINDER TO ALL THE FLAT NACELLED COMMANDER DRIVERS.  NEVER LEAVE THE GROUND WITH THE AUX HYD PUMP CIRCUIT BREAKER IN, NEVER, EVER!!!   jb

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yourtcfg(at)aol.com
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Posted: Sat Sep 05, 2009 6:43 pm Post subject: Want to purchase a 680FLP (Mr.RPM)

Even with a ruptured line, there should easily be enough fluid to control the airplane until it stops.  The breaker should not be pushed in until the mains are on the ground.  There is about 2 pints of fluid in the reservoir below the stand pipe.  Of course the offending line would render that brake useless, but the steering would work.  It would still be an emergency for sure!!  jb  

 

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nico(at)cybersuperstore.c
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Posted: Sat Sep 05, 2009 8:50 pm Post subject: Want to purchase a 680FLP (Mr.RPM)

Hi Roland,

  

 I took off from a rough strip and as I rotated the cabin was  filled with a sweet smelling vapor making the cockpit almost immediately QBI,  which fortunately cleared up quickly but a vapor continued to pour out from  under the instrument panel. The inside of the plane was covered in an oily  substance, and as the hydraulic pressure dropped the wheels started drooping.  

  

 I flew back, feathered the engines on short final, landed  and sat like a passenger as the plane castored off the runway and came to a stop  in the rough. It was the pressure gauge's tube that cracked and atomized the  hydraulic fluid into the cabin. I cannot remember whether grommets or supports  were not installed that caused the pressure line to vibrate excessively and  break but it may be worth your trouble to check that it is properly supported.  

  

 Hope this helps.

  

 Thanks

  

 Nico

  



   From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com  [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of  8eastbaystreet.com Gilliam

Sent: Saturday, September 05, 2009 6:21  PM

To: commander-list(at)matronics.com

Subject: RE:  Want to purchase a 680FLP (Mr.RPM)

 

Nico,

 

Can you elaborate on your incident with your 500?  I have a 500 and would be interested to know the problem.

 

Thanks in  advance,

 

Roland Gilliam

 

[quote] From:  tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca

 To: commander-list(at)matronics.com

  Subject: Re: Want to purchase a 680FLP (Mr.RPM)

 Date:  Sat, 5 Sep 2009 17:54:16 -0700

 

 --> Commander-List message  posted by: "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca>

 

  Thanks Nico, I will be unable to attend Carson city especially now!

  Tom.

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amg3636(at)hotmail.com
Guest

Posted: Sun Sep 06, 2009 5:14 am Post subject: Want to purchase a 680FLP (Mr.RPM)

Nico C

  

 Thanks much C Would pumping the handle hav given you any help Cor did you do that?

  

 My understanding is the tank has a small amount of fluid that the pump can't pump out and you have one chance to use it.  However in your case it would probably have atomized anyway.

  

 Roland

 

  From: nico(at)cybersuperstore.com

To: commander-list(at)matronics.com

Subject: RE: Want to purchase a 680FLP (Mr.RPM)

Date: Sat C 5 Sep 2009 21:49:35 -0700



  .ExternalClass .EC_hmmessage P {padding-bottom:0px;padding-left:0px;padding-right:0px;padding-top:0px;} .ExternalClass BODY.EC_hmmessage {font-family:Verdana;font-size:10pt;}   Hi Roland C

  

 I took off from a rough strip and as I rotated the cabin was filled with a sweet smelling vapor making the cockpit almost immediately QBI C which fortunately cleared up quickly but a vapor continued to pour out from under the instrument panel. The inside of the plane was covered in an oily substance C and as the hydraulic pressure dropped the wheels started drooping. 

  

 I flew back C feathered the engines on short final C landed and sat like a passenger as the plane castored off the runway and came to a stop in the rough. It was the pressure gauge's tube that cracked and atomized the hydraulic fluid into the cabin. I cannot remember whether grommets or supports were not installed that caused the pressure line to vibrate excessively and break but it may be worth your trouble to check that it is properly supported. 

  

 Hope this helps.

  

 Thanks

  

 Nico

  



   From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of 8eastbaystreet.com Gilliam

Sent: Saturday C September 05 C 2009 6:21 PM

To: commander-list(at)matronics.com

Subject: RE: Want to purchase a 680FLP (Mr.RPM)

 

Nico C

 

Can you elaborate on your incident with your 500? I have a 500 and would be interested to know the problem.

 

Thanks in advance C

 

Roland Gilliam

 

[quote] From: tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca

 To: commander-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: Re: Want to purchase a 680FLP (Mr.RPM)

 Date: Sat C 5 Sep 2009 17:54:16 -0700

 

 --> Commander-List message posted by: "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca>

 

 Thanks Nico C I will be unable to attend Carson city especially now!

 Tom.

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nico(at)cybersuperstore.c
Guest

Posted: Sun Sep 06, 2009 3:39 pm Post subject: Want to purchase a 680FLP (Mr.RPM)

Roland, 

  

 I cannot remember exactly but my recollection is that I used  the pump to make sure that the gear is down and locked. It didn't feel as if it  did anything and I slowed down to about 80 kts when the gear dropped into place.  Why I feathered the props was perhaps the most questionable action I took but I  feared a gear collapse regardless of three greens, which was perhaps not that  smart. I had a 6,500' runway with a slight uphill and having kept the engines  going I could have used asymmetric power to keep the plane on the runway. I  didn't want to run off the end of the runway which was a concern I  remember. Anyway, it turned out OK. Food for a lot of reflection, though.  

  

 Nico

  



   From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com  [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of  8eastbaystreet.com Gilliam

Sent: Sunday, September 06, 2009 5:59  AM

To: commander-list(at)matronics.com

Subject: RE:  Want to purchase a 680FLP (Mr.RPM)

 

Nico,

 

Thanks much, Would pumping the handle hav given  you any help,or did you do that?

 

My understanding is the tank  has a small amount of fluid that the pump can't pump out and you have one  chance to use it.  However in your case it would probably have atomized  anyway.

 

Roland

 

  From: nico(at)cybersuperstore.com

To: commander-list(at)matronics.com

Subject:  RE: Want to purchase a 680FLP (Mr.RPM)

Date: Sat, 5 Sep 2009  21:49:35 -0700



 .ExternalClass .EC_hmmessage P { 	PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-TOP: 0px } .ExternalClass BODY.EC_hmmessage { 	FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; FONT-SIZE: 10pt }   Hi Roland,

  

 I took off from a rough strip and as I rotated the cabin was  filled with a sweet smelling vapor making the cockpit almost immediately QBI,  which fortunately cleared up quickly but a vapor continued to pour out from  under the instrument panel. The inside of the plane was covered in an oily  substance, and as the hydraulic pressure dropped the wheels started drooping.  

  

 I flew back, feathered the engines on short final, landed  and sat like a passenger as the plane castored off the runway and came to a stop  in the rough. It was the pressure gauge's tube that cracked and atomized the  hydraulic fluid into the cabin. I cannot remember whether grommets or supports  were not installed that caused the pressure line to vibrate excessively and  break but it may be worth your trouble to check that it is properly supported.  

  

 Hope this helps.

  

 Thanks

  

 Nico

  



   From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com  [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of  8eastbaystreet.com Gilliam

Sent: Saturday, September 05, 2009 6:21  PM

To: commander-list(at)matronics.com

Subject: RE:  Want to purchase a 680FLP (Mr.RPM)

 

Nico,

 

Can you elaborate on your incident with your 500?  I have a 500 and would be interested to know the problem.

 

Thanks in  advance,

 

Roland Gilliam

 

[quote] From:  tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca

 To: commander-list(at)matronics.com

  Subject: Re: Want to purchase a 680FLP (Mr.RPM)

 Date:  Sat, 5 Sep 2009 17:54:16 -0700

 

 --> Commander-List message  posted by: "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca>

 

  Thanks Nico, I will be unable to attend Carson city especially now!

  Tom.

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