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bmeyette

Joined: 14 Mar 2007
Posts: 72
Location: Cornish, NH

Posted: Fri Sep 25, 2009 12:40 pm Post subject: how do you back up an A model RV?

Here's  an odd question I've never seen before.   How do you get a trigear RV  to move backwards in other than a straight line?

  

 I just  finished installing my prop, and I wanted to push my RV backwards out of  its corner in the hangar to do some engine runs under load.   When I  tried to make a turn while pushing it back, it wouldn't turn; the nosewheel  castered until it hit the stop, then I was stuck.   I eventually got  it to move as I wanted it to by removing the wheel castering stops and letting  the wheel swing around so it was castering backwards.     

  

 But if  someone's got a completed plane, with nosewheel fairings, they aren't going  to take off the fairing to remove the stops.  How do people back up their  completed planes?   Just plan to move only in straight  lines?

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Posted: Fri Sep 25, 2009 12:53 pm Post subject: how do you back up an A model RV?

I have a tow bar that I got from Bogert.....

Makes it easier - but not easy!



I've seen folks that can push theirs around and drive the nosewheel backwards - but 

I think that would require the breakout force be too low.



Ralph

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Posted: Fri Sep 25, 2009 1:11 pm Post subject: how do you back up an A model RV?

Haven't done it on my RV yet, but back when I was flying Cessnas I would

hold the tail down to get the nose wheel off the ground and then roll it

where ever I wanted.  Easy to do with my 8A so far, but I don't have the

engine on yet.



  Brian Huffaker, DSWL (bifft(at)xmission.com)

  RV-8A 80091 fitting canopy latch.

  1/4 Starduster II N23UT flying

carl.froehlich(at)verizon
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Posted: Fri Sep 25, 2009 1:12 pm Post subject: how do you back up an A model RV?

Brian,  

   

It’s not hard.  I back mine up into the hanger each time.  Practice a few more times and you will get the hang of it.  Remember low tire air pressure does not help.  The other thing is don’t have “helpers” on the wing or tail.  They don’t help.  Hold the prop near the root and move the nose as needed to keep the wheel tracking as desired.  

   

When I made the plane I built a tow bar to steer the nose wheel, but then found it is not needed.  

   

Carl Froehlich  

RV-8A (500 hrs)  

RV-10 (fuselage)  

       

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Here's an odd question I've never seen before.   How do you get a trigear RV to move backwards in other than a straight line?  

    

   

    

I just finished installing my prop, and I wanted to push my RV backwards out of its corner in the hangar to do some engine runs under load.   When I tried to make a turn while pushing it back, it wouldn't turn; the nosewheel castered until it hit the stop, then I was stuck.   I eventually got it to move as I wanted it to by removing the wheel castering stops and letting the wheel swing around so it was castering backwards.      

    

   

    

But if someone's got a completed plane, with nosewheel fairings, they aren't going to take off the fairing to remove the stops.  How do people back up their completed planes?   Just plan to move only in straight lines?  

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JohnInReno

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Posted: Fri Sep 25, 2009 1:30 pm Post subject: how do you back up an A model RV?

1. Use a tow handle on the front wheel and steer while pushing.

 

 or 

 

 2. Sit on the horizontal elevator to raise the front wheel off the ground.

 

 Either way works.

 john

 

 Brian Meyette wrote: [quote]            Here's an odd question I've never seen before.   How do you get a trigear RV to move backwards in other than a straight line?

    

   I just finished installing my prop, and I wanted to push my RV backwards out of its corner in the hangar to do some engine runs under load.   When I tried to make a turn while pushing it back, it wouldn't turn; the nosewheel castered until it hit the stop, then I was stuck.   I eventually got it to move as I wanted it to by removing the wheel castering stops and letting the wheel swing around so it was castering backwards.    

    

   But if someone's got a completed plane, with nosewheel fairings, they aren't going to take off the fairing to remove the stops.  How do people back up their completed planes?   Just plan to move only in straight lines?

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Posted: Fri Sep 25, 2009 2:11 pm Post subject: how do you back up an A model RV?

There are several ways to do it fairly easily if you are on pavement, and I am sure others will cover it..



My warning to you is to be very careful if you removed the stops!   This could set you up for a prop strike if you happen to have the wheel ass backwards when the prop comes around.

Denis

On Sep 25, 2009, at 3:27 , John Morgensen wrote:

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		    1. Use a tow handle on the front wheel and steer while pushing.

 

 or 

 

 2. Sit on the horizontal elevator to raise the front wheel off the ground.

 

 Either way works.

 john

 

 Brian Meyette wrote:  	  Quote: 	
		          Here's an odd question I've never seen before.   How do you get a trigear RV to move backwards in other than a straight line?

   

  I just finished installing my prop, and I wanted to push my RV backwards out of its corner in the hangar to do some engine runs under load.   When I tried to make a turn while pushing it back, it wouldn't turn; the nosewheel castered until it hit the stop, then I was stuck.   I eventually got it to move as I wanted it to by removing the wheel castering stops and letting the wheel swing around so it was castering backwards.    

   

  But if someone's got a completed plane, with nosewheel fairings, they aren't going to take off the fairing to remove the stops.  How do people back up their completed planes?   Just plan to move only in straight lines?

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Posted: Fri Sep 25, 2009 2:40 pm Post subject: how do you back up an A model RV?

Brian,



just finished my wheel pants...use a tow bar.  make sure you order the one that is the proper size for the vans hole you drill.  about 5/8" i think, double check.  spruce has them..DO NOT ORDER THE UNIVERSAL ONE like i did,  it will not fit without cutting and maybe welding.  modifying mine is on my list.



great that your STI is getting closer.  i did many hours of research last night.  mine is NOT an STI it is a WRX...



 http://opposedforces.com/parts/forester/us_s11/type_7/engine/engine_assembly/



my number EJ255BXTBB,  the EJ257 is the STI series.  ours has a different piston and different heads and may be 8.4 to 1,  the other differences were turbo and peripherals.



important to know if you change pistons etc.



mine just needs supercharger setup and new computer install.  then she is ready.



cheers,



Had





From: Brian Meyette <bmeyette(at)gmail.com>

To: rv-list(at)matronics.com

Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 3:38:04 PM

Subject: how do you back up an A model RV?



     Here's  an odd question I've never seen before.   How do you get a trigear RV  to move backwards in other than a straight line?

  

 I just  finished installing my prop, and I wanted to push my RV backwards out of  its corner in the hangar to do some engine runs under load.   When I  tried to make a turn while pushing it back, it wouldn't turn; the nosewheel  castered until it hit the stop, then I was stuck.   I eventually got  it to move as I wanted it to by removing the wheel castering stops and letting  the wheel swing around so it was castering backwards.     

  

 But if  someone's got a completed plane, with nosewheel fairings, they aren't going  to take off the fairing to remove the stops.  How do people back up their  completed planes?   Just plan to move only in straight  lines?

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jim jewell

Joined: 09 Jan 2006
Posts: 82
Location: Kelowna B.C. Canada

Posted: Fri Sep 25, 2009 3:10 pm Post subject: how do you back up an A model RV?

Someone said:



" I've seen folks that can push theirs around and drive the nose wheel 

backwards"



Do not try this when the aircraft is considered airworthy.

When the Allen screw stops are removed from the top of the nose wheel fork 

allowing the nose wheel to rotate 360 degrees, the nose wheel can get into 

the prop arc. Sooner or later it will happen. With the engine not running 

some paint damage, fiberglass damage, prop damage and some level of injury 

to your pride are all quite possible.

Should this Prop nose fork interference happen with the engine running the 

result will at the very least spoil a nose wheel, a prop and the whole of 

the rest of your day!

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Posted: Fri Sep 25, 2009 3:27 pm Post subject: how do you back up an A model RV?

If you plan on backing up on grass C a tow bar is the easiest way to go E By the way C we need to be very careful pushing down on the hor E stabilizers E Most mechanics can tell stories about damage to the mounting hardware and adjacent airframe brackets E E E E E if you must raise the front by pushing on the back C try to push on the fuselage ahead of the vert stab E E E Eor at the very least 1 person on each side on the hor E stab E The uneven loading and the bending moment on the fasteners and mounting brackets 6nbsp;can do some damage E

C E Ennis

 

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Posted: Fri Sep 25, 2009 3:53 pm Post subject: how do you back up an A model RV?

Actually its very easy. First dont have any help they will just turn the aircraft to one side Second make sure there is the correct amount of resistance when turning the front wheel. It takes a little practice, but not much, just go slow and push in the direction the wheel is pointing. I have never had any problems (for 6 years) backing up our 8a unless the wind is really blowing, then it takes 2.



Scott

 RV-8a

 



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From: Brian Meyette <bmeyette(at)gmail.com>

Subject: how do you back up an A model RV?

To: rv-list(at)matronics.com

Date: Friday, September 25, 2009, 1:38 PM



   Here's  an odd question I've never seen before.   How do you get a trigear RV  to move backwards in other than a straight line?

  

 I just  finished installing my prop, and I wanted to push my RV backwards out of  its corner in the hangar to do some engine runs under load.   When I  tried to make a turn while pushing it back, it wouldn't turn; the nosewheel  castered until it hit the stop, then I was stuck.   I eventually got  it to move as I wanted it to by removing the wheel castering stops and letting  the wheel swing around so it was castering backwards.     

  

 But if  someone's got a completed plane, with nosewheel fairings, they aren't going  to take off the fairing to remove the stops.  How do people back up their  completed planes?   Just plan to move only in straight  lines?

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pitts_pilot(at)bellsouth.
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Posted: Fri Sep 25, 2009 4:11 pm Post subject: how do you back up an A model RV?

I think you need one of two things ..... a towbar, or slow down as you 

push back while you bump the nose left/right as needed.  At our Grumman 

conventions we have a contest ..... push an AA-1 backwards through a 

winding path made of cones .... shortest time wins.

Before you take the stops out ..... make sure the wheel pants won't end 

up in the prop arc.  The little Grummans will .... and have.

Linn



Brian Meyette wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		   Here's an odd question I've never seen before.   How do you get a 

 trigear RV to move backwards in other than a straight line?

  

 I just finished installing my prop, and I wanted to push my RV backwards 

 out of its corner in the hangar to do some engine runs under load.   

 When I tried to make a turn while pushing it back, it wouldn't turn; the 

 nosewheel castered until it hit the stop, then I was stuck.   I 

 eventually got it to move as I wanted it to by removing the wheel 

 castering stops and letting the wheel swing around so it was castering 

 backwards.   

  

 But if someone's got a completed plane, with nosewheel fairings, 

 they aren't going to take off the fairing to remove the stops.  How do 

 people back up their completed planes?   Just plan to move only in 

 straight lines?

 

 *

 

 

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Matt Dralle
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Posts: 26320
Location: Livermore CA USA

Posted: Fri Sep 25, 2009 4:32 pm Post subject: how do you back up an A model RV?

That's easy:  Convert it to a tailwheel configuration...







Matt

At 01:38 PM 9/25/2009  Friday, you wrote:

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		  Here's an odd question I've never seen before.   How do you get a trigear RV to move backwards in other than a straight line?

 

I just finished installing my prop, and I wanted to push my RV backwards out of its corner in the hangar to do some engine runs under load.   When I tried to make a turn while pushing it back, it wouldn't turn; the nosewheel castered until it hit the stop, then I was stuck.   I eventually got it to move as I wanted it to by removing the wheel castering stops and letting the wheel swing around so it was castering backwards.    

 

But if someone's got a completed plane, with nosewheel fairings, they aren't going to take off the fairing to remove the stops.  How do people back up their completed planes?   Just plan to move only in straight lines?

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Posted: Fri Sep 25, 2009 5:09 pm Post subject: how do you back up an A model RV?

Tow Bar

 Here is the one I use:

 http://store.wagaero.com/product_info.php?products_id=8119

 

 I also order and installed this:

 RVa Tow Pin Kit

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		              Here's an odd question I've never seen before.   How do you get a trigear RV to move backwards in other than a straight line?

    

   I just finished installing my prop, and I wanted to push my RV backwards out of its corner in the hangar to do some engine runs under load.   When I tried to make a turn while pushing it back, it wouldn't turn; the nosewheel castered until it hit the stop, then I was stuck.   I eventually got it to move as I wanted it to by removing the wheel castering stops and letting the wheel swing around so it was castering backwards.    

    

   But if someone's got a completed plane, with nosewheel fairings, they aren't going to take off the fairing to remove the stops.  How do people back up their completed planes?   Just plan to move only in straight lines?

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bmeyette

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Posted: Fri Sep 25, 2009 5:10 pm Post subject: how do you back up an A model RV?

yes, I noticed this and turned it around before starting the  engine run

 the prop tip was very close to the tire before I turned it  back where it shoudl be



   From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com  [mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Denis  Walsh

Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 6:06 PM

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Subject: Re: how do you back up an A  model RV?

 

There are several ways to do it fairly easily if you are on pavement,  and I am sure others will cover it.. 



 My warning to you is to be very careful if you removed the stops!    This could set you up for a prop strike if you happen to have the wheel ass  backwards when the prop comes around.

 



 Denis

  On Sep 25, 2009, at 3:27 , John Morgensen wrote:

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		     1. Use a tow handle on the front wheel    and steer while pushing.



or 



2. Sit on the horizontal elevator    to raise the front wheel off the ground.



Either way    works.

john



Brian Meyette wrote:     	  Quote: 	
		       Here's an odd question I've never seen before.   How do      you get a trigear RV to move backwards in other than a straight      line?

      

     I      just finished installing my prop, and I wanted to push my RV backwards      out of its corner in the hangar to do some engine runs under      load.   When I tried to make a turn while pushing it back, it      wouldn't turn; the nosewheel castered until it hit the stop, then I was      stuck.   I eventually got it to move as I wanted it to by removing      the wheel castering stops and letting the wheel swing around so it was      castering backwards.    

      

     But if someone's got a completed plane, with nosewheel fairings,      they aren't going to take off the fairing to remove the stops.       How do people back up their completed planes?   Just plan to move      only in straight lines?

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Posted: Fri Sep 25, 2009 5:43 pm Post subject: how do you back up an A model RV?

Well, I would love to do that for an RV-10, but Van's is not about to 

provide any support for such a beast, and I doubt the tail structure is 

stressed for a tail wheel, and it would be a bitch to try to remount the 

main gear mounts.



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 That's easy:  Convert it to a tailwheel configuration...

 

 

 

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Posted: Fri Sep 25, 2009 6:12 pm Post subject: how do you back up an A model RV?

At first I used tow bar, then got to where I could  back it including turning.U put hands on the air intake holes, and push left to  turn it right.  It take practice and go real slow at first, caution, do not  let anyone help. 

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Posted: Fri Sep 25, 2009 8:27 pm Post subject: how do you back up an A model RV?

OMG... Get a rope!



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		   From: Brian Meyette <bmeyette(at)gmail.com>

 Subject: how do you back up an A model RV?

 To: rv-list(at)matronics.com

 Date: Friday, September 25, 2009, 3:38 PM

 

 

 

  

 

  

 Here's 

 an odd question I've never seen before.   How

 do you get a trigear RV 

 to move backwards in other than a straight

 line?

  

 I just 

 finished installing my prop, and I wanted to push

 my RV backwards out of 

 its corner in the hangar to do some engine runs under

 load.   When I 

 tried to make a turn while pushing it back, it

 wouldn't turn; the nosewheel 

 castered until it hit the stop, then I was

 stuck.   I eventually got 

 it to move as I wanted it to by removing the wheel

 castering stops and letting 

 the wheel swing around so it was castering

 backwards.    

 

  

 But if 

 someone's got a completed plane, with nosewheel

 fairings, they aren't going 

 to take off the fairing to remove the stops.  How do

 people back up their 

 completed planes?   Just plan to move only in

 straight 

 lines?

recapen(at)earthlink.net
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Posted: Sat Sep 26, 2009 4:26 am Post subject: how do you back up an A model RV?

The one I was referring to did not remove his stops (and mine have not been 

removed either) - he was able to push his plane in such a way as to steer 

the nosewheel.



It wasn't me....I take my towbar with me in case I have to push mine 

backwards.....I haven't learned the trick yet....



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Posted: Sat Sep 26, 2009 4:44 am Post subject: how do you back up an A model RV?

Ralph E. Capen wrote:

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 The one I was referring to did not remove his stops (and mine have not 

 been removed either) - he was able to push his plane in such a way as to 

 steer the nosewheel.

 

 It wasn't me....I take my towbar with me in case I have to push mine 

 backwards.....I haven't learned the trick yet....

The only 'trick' is to push the nose in the direction that the wheel 
	


pant is pointing.  If the wheel pant isn't pointing in the right 

direction, move the nose left/right until it is ..... then push in the 

direction that the wheel pant is pointing.  Pushing in any other 

direction will make the nose gear pivot ..... making you start all over.

Linn

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Posted: Sat Sep 26, 2009 7:55 am Post subject: how do you back up an A model RV?

Thanks - I'll try it.....



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